2 billion per enhancer

We have an awesome money pit. With fire!

O.K. Blue......here are the ways to make inf fast at the moment since I now know you have an expensive farming build:


1) Farm for Purples on +1 x8 -- you'll pop a purple recipe roughly every 2250 - 3500 kills (we haven't perfected the reverse engineering yet here but those are the ranges I've seen). With a good farming build you should be able to pop a purple every 90 mins of solo play time. I set to +1 because its not much slower and the pool A and C recipes which drop will sell much nicer at level 50. You've said you find this boring....I do to most of the time...soooooooo on to 2. At current purple prices I would guess you'd make about 150M an hour doing this....including all drops.

2) Run level 50 TF with 8 people as kill mosts (ITF, LGTF, 3rd Respecs, BSF, whatever) -- you'll pop a purple at the same rate but divided by 8 people though you'll kill faster too. I estimate the group gets a purple drop every 60 mins doing something like this and thus every 480 mins you'll get a purple drop. Additionally you'll rack up merits to spend on normal high-end stuff like LotG +7.5% and so on which can be converted to 100M each. If you do this with a plan you can probably make something along the lines of 75M an hour doing this.

3) Marketeering. You'll stink at first....in fact its best to train up on something like Crushing Impacts and stuff so you can get your butt kicked by the low A-ball marketeers first. But if you figure it out its about 10M per min committed daily with low risk......50M per min committed daily with high risk. You seem opposed to doing this....fine...less competition.

4) Working A-Merits for rolls or to convert to PvP IOs. We haven't figured out whats fastest here but I'll tell you I have a toon blueside which can do all 11 hero missions in about 45 mins (including travel time) over 2 days. 2 merits can be converted to a LotG +7.5% so if you have some merits from doing #2 and 20M you can turn 45 mins and 20M into 100M on a consistent basis over 2 days of course...but still.


The point here is there are tons of ways to make inf within the system. Find one or more you like and do them. The game isn't what's broken, your expectations are. The game exists to make money for the SHAREHOLDERS of NC Soft. Whatever keeps people playing here in the largest number the longest is what they want. Having high-end loot to shoot for keeps more people playing than it pisses off into quitting. Examine other games and see which work like what you're suggesting. The closest the game ever has come to your dream world was whenever AE rears a huge bug and everyone exploits it. Honestly too many more of those and I might consider quitting cause it makes the game too easy. When they're happening market prices spike....why? Cause everyone has enough inf and little supply is made of the "good stuff". So get out and pop some good stuff to sell or slot and help combat the problem.

I've got way global rech on persistence. seriously. neat post with all the powers layed out though. But seriously, I made no lies, tried not to troll, and tried not to make straw man arguments. I take real pride in my debates. Okay, thanks to everyone for the input. I'm letting it die. (which means it will prob still be around in January) again, thanks for the input, including the insults (but seriously, step those up, it felt like the mickey mouse club was trying to put me down, embarassing), the market tips (vague but tantalizing) and the real comments about the Devs possible motives and how it all evolved.

Since this thread started, I've made 260 million inf, by playing the game and selling the drops that I didn't want to keep. No farming, no marketeering.

How much money have you made while posting here, Blue?

P.S. Thanks for the thread. I haven't laughed so hard or so often for ages.

I made and spent a billion.

I need some tips, apparently you guys are making much more per day than me (granted I don't farm much these days). What are you guys flipping to make billions regularly ?

I'd guess I make 400m - 1.2b a week at best.

Well, like I said, I wasn't playing the market at all. I was just running my brute at +0x8, and selling any valuable drops (usually crafting them first). You'd be amazed how much you can earn, once you learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.

By Made I mean I collected two sales.

I don't make anywhere near that much, but I don't have any 50s, so I'm not getting the Super Awesome recipes to begin with. I have to actually buy recipes and craft, and I don't tend to have enough lying around on any given toon to go after the really profitable stuff.

... Although honestly, I could probably make a ton if I stopped worrying about profit margins and started just looking for largest net profit on sales. Making a factor of 10 profit on ten sales by buying things for 1.5 million and selling them for 15 is not as good as making a factor of 2 profit on a single sale by buying for 300 and selling for 600.

Don't they want the average player to be able to get the most powerful, expensive, and rare items in the game?

No. No they do not.

Nor should they. It's not just time, but lots of work to get the most ultra-uber stuff.

But here's the thing: it doesn't really matter. Because none of that is needed. It does not harm the average player to have something out of their reach without a ton of work. I submit that it helps! Because unless you've invested a lot of time and effort, there's always something better to aspire to.

But you don't need PvP sets. Ultra-rares are almost as good. But you don't need ultra-rares. Rares are almost as good. But you don't need rares. Uncommons are almost as good. But you don't need uncommons. Commons are almost as good. But you don't need common IOs. Single origins are almost as good.

And just to note: I'm a 69 month veteran. I have over 100 characters. Thirteen level 50s. And only about half of my 50s have even common IOs, maybe three have any rare sets, and none have ultra-rares or PvP sets. I do not feel robbed. I didn't put my time or effort into min-maxing or marketeering, instead I put it into getting a very good grasp of all the different powersets and the setting of the game. And I got what I worked for.

Time isn't all that you need to put in. The very highest end stuff takes a lot of effort. People are trying to tell you that they've figured out the most efficient way to go about doing this, and you're ignoring them. Don't know what else to tell you...

I know you've dropped it. But I have to respond to this.

Heh, sure, I'll join in. Define MMO. What is it meant to be? What's the point of it? Even more than the FPS's I think the point of it is to team up with other players and run around our little simulated world together (probably because our real lives just ain't cuttin it). It's fun to get a toon or two that can fight mobs set to x8+4, or solo a GM, but if every casual player/toon can do it, what's the point of teaming any more? If all ten(ish) of my 50s could do that, I'd probably leave and go play Devil May Cry, or Prototype. Cuz let's face it, the graphics are better, there's a story, the characters look cooler than the idiotic toons most of us make (yes, including mine), and..... well, if CoH was single player, it would just overall suck. Oh wait, I forgot about badges!!! Never mind, I could always spend endless hours getting explore badges on all my toons, single player games don't have.... umm..... badges..... oh wait, they're called achievements, I guess they do.......

Man, you're making me look forward to the time 5 years from now where I've finished my toons so I can quit and play better games.



P.S. Xyce wants me to remind you guys that Triumph is dead. (And Tam says get over it)