I hate every Praetorian

Governments are all AMORAL. They lack morality.

There is no Good or Evil in the eyes of a government. No right or Wrong. Only Law and Chaos.

Democracies and Parliments have created pain just as horrid as any dictatorship, possibly moreso.

Nazi Germany wasn't a Dictatorship. Hitler was -ELECTED- in an Open Election. The holocaust happened under a Democracy.

The Colonies of Virginia, Georgia, and the Carolinas -REFUSED- to vote for revolution at the Continental Congress until the Prohibition of Slavery was removed from the Declaration of Independence.

Democracy is not Moral. It is not Good. it is not Evil. It is simply a form of Government. Government being the organization and allocation of funds to supply security, prepare laws, and design public infrastructure. These things are not Good or Evil. They simply ARE.

-Rachel-

How do you fight a tyrant? You go after the tyrant. The senators of Rome didn't decide to wipe out the city, poison it's water or burn down the local hospital, they took their issue with their tyrant to point on the floor of the senate.
That's my problem with the Resistance, they are doing it wrong. They are burning down the system and the people that are being controled by Cole, and doing nothing to defeat Cole himself. The best that they can hope for is what? To kill the city and it's people and since Cole is immortal, have him decide to leave? The Resistance are terrorists, plain and simple, they don't want a revolution, they just want an excuse to cause havok. Crusader or Warden, Al Quida and Al Jazeria ;one is just the army, the other's the press.

Actually, having given it further consideration, a government -can- be either moral or immoral. Though not due to it's method of governing, but how it spends it's funds.

For example, the least moral of the economic styles is likely as not either Fascism or Capitalism, since both put profit ahead of the individual.

The Most Moral form of economic policy would be Socialism, in which each member of society is provided for.

However Socialism does have it's sociological downfalls due to the amount of capitalism bred into our mindsets, wherein upon reaching a socialist plateau a portion of the population will rest upon the wealth offered by he government, rather than working for a living beyond that point.

Look to any religion for how to act in relation to your fellow man and you'll find Socialism the easiest path, while Capitalism throws stumbling blocks into the path of anyone trying to hold to religious doctrine.

Fascinating stuff, that!

However, we know Praetoria to be a Capitalist society, since the Syndicate are separate from the government and control separate businesses.

-Rachel-

How can you hate Noble Savage, or Tunnel Rat, or Kang or McKnight? Or Jessica Flores?

I mean sure there are some really despicable characters in Praetoria, but some of them are really cool and really funny, pitiable, sympathetic or down right nice characters.

Look me in the eyes and tell me you hate Tunnel Rat, I dare you!

Don't do it though, for real, it'd break my heart.

My hat's off to the devs for the writing in praetoria, the characters have come alive and they are awesome.

We are right and we are good, we'll give people what they should!

Like invading their homeland, destroying their clean water facilities and making them reliant on charity that will not be quickly forthcoming or easily distributed, leading to death and disease of many, including children, babies and the elderly.

Gawd bless you 'saviours'.

Anyone else a Kant fan?

"…democracy is, properly speaking, necessarily a despotism, because it establishes an executive power in which 'all' decide for or even against one who does not agree; that is, 'all,' who are not quite all, decide, and this is a contradiction of the general will with itself and with freedom." -Immanuel Kant

I suppose that could speak for either side either way, couldn't it?

One of the other aspects that's becoming increasingly clear (and I'm very glad this is so) is that we simply do not have enough information. There's clearly a whole raft of stuff that has yet to be revealed. Some of us are jumping the gun and have decided in a black and white manner that "X is so" whereas I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if the story creators (ie the Dev team) turned this on their head and threw us a loop that may yet reveal more facets of the characters we've come to enjoy.

In fact I'd be surprised if that didn't happen.

Clearly there's a massive amount of mileage in GR and in Praetoria and I'm excited to see where it leads next.

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

Because getting Primal earth embroiled in a multi-dimensional two front war (Rikti, Praetoria) is such a brilliant strategic move. That two front thing worked great for Germany and the US.

Its Vangaurd's job to protect Primal earth from extra-dimensional threats, sure, but why haven't they entered Axis-America Earth like they have Praetoria?

Its not quite pre-emptive, because Praetoria has already attempted an invasion once before, but that was solved without Vangaurd's intervention, it was foiled by a single (or up to eight) heroes.

No matter which way I look at it, Vangaurd entering other dimensions on the basis of protecting the security of Primal Earth by granting aid to the faction they like the most is discomforting. Perhaps Vangaurd will get tired of working with anarchist zealots and just assassinate Cole and put in an interim government while they foist a new government system upon the people of Praetoria whether they want it or not.

Two things. To EvilGeko's "How do we know Hamidon isn't a Hero" line.

The Hamidon Wars lasted a LONG time. That's why so much of the world's population is dead. Everyone in Praetoria knows the Devoured are going to kill them. There is nothing to indicate that between Praetoria and Primal Earth there is a great deal of difference in the Will of the Earth or a Titanic single-celled organism.

The Sonic Barriers aren't -just- to keep out Hamidon, they also defend against the Crystals and Boulders and all the other DE monsters. Heck! The Flower Vendor bot explains that synthetic flowers are popular because there is -no- chance of Devouring Spores infecting people. That indicates that the threat is present enough that people are still taking precautions.

There is no evidence that the Hamidon or the Devoured are heroic in any way shape or form. Environmentalist Plantlife does not become LESS angry at humans, just because there was a nuclear war. One would imagine they'd be far -angrier-.

To Valorin.

The Battling with the Hamidon is basically over. Same thing with the Devoured. There just aren't enough people to fight -them- and the Resistance and the Syndicate and the Crusaders left in Praetoria. The Sonic Barriers keep them outside the City and the Clockwork have Flamethrowers so they can burn any DE-infested corpse that manages to get too close to the city before the wall finishes killing it.

They do not send troops out to fight the DE because it would be a pointless waste of human life. The Wall is enough to keep them out and the Clockwork could fight any that managed to get in (God Forbid it should happen)

-Rachel-

Plus Cole uses the DE to make examples of people he does not like.