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Nooot exactly. If the law was that police spontaneously clobber random passersby on the street, that'd be one thing, but the Responsibility line is genuinely interested in the well-being of the general populace.
So you shut down the Enriche plant and destroy the Seer network to free the enslaved women there and break the state's control on the media and close the torture centers under the Precinct buildings and free the people being held without trial in the BAF - or does "well-being" in Praetoria just mean "control"? - in which case, you're doing a doubleplusgood job.


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A) It's fiction.
B) My only Praetorian's in the Power line.
C) Play the damn game.


 

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I disagree I done the Warden Arc on the Resistance Side and some of these people have some valor to them. There are two types of Arc on each side, Warden for Resistance which does things the good way and Crusaders who does whatever it take to bring down Cole and that means hurting other. On the Loyalist side you got the the same Deal, either be a force of justice or create Chaos, also to remind you guys preatoria was suppose to be a the bad guys in the past, Do to GR coming out we found out not all of them are evil, but a large number of them are.


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The Radio? Dmitri Krylov? Doc Buzzsaw? Kelly Uqua? Hardcase? Terrance Dobbs?

You should try Villains sometime. It's great.
Johnny Sonata, Marshall Brass, Operative Vargas, Timothy Raymond, The Television...

Yeah, Villain-side contacts are wildly varied. Only a few I can think of are mustache-twirling.


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So you shut down the Enriche plant and destroy the Seer network to free the enslaved women there and break the state's control on the media and close the torture centers under the Precinct buildings and free the people being held without trial in the BAF - or does "well-being" in Praetoria just mean "control"? - in which case, you're doing a doubleplusgood job.
Some days, just keeping people from being burnt alive by Destroyers counts as a pretty nice thing to do, y'know?


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Some days, just keeping people from being burnt alive by Destroyers counts as a pretty nice thing to do, y'know?
That's not nearly enough to make working for the dictatorship in any way a good or moral thing to do


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No, Praetoria is for the Praetorians - we're just going there to liberate them, not conquer them.

Also, you ned to play the Warden path - you'll find the nice contacts there

My Praetorian characters ARE from Praetoria - well apart from the WWII Vet.



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Yeah, Villain-side contacts are wildly varied. Only a few I can think of are mustache-twirling.
One of which is my favorite contact in the game: Vernon Von Grun. I love the comical mad scientist genre!


 

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The Radio? Dmitri Krylov? Doc Buzzsaw? Kelly Uqua? Hardcase? Terrance Dobbs?

You should try Villains sometime. It's great.
Villains is pretty much the only side of it I play and I've played it a LOT, and yes I consider most of those, bar maybe Uqua, Hardcase and maybe Buzzsaw pretty standard amoral pantomime types. Yes even the radio. As an example, I liked Seer Marino, she was a nice change of pace story-wise.

So, obviously, I phrased it badly. Replace "Moustache twirling" with "Pointlessly amoral cardboard cutouts". There are a couple that go beyond being a cliche on legs, but not many, I never said there were none.

Edit: Forgot to add dobbs into my little list. Also, posting while fighting = not recommended.


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The law of an inhuman dictatorship - it's very important to remember that when trying to justify being one of Tyrant's stormtroopers
I'm going to have to disagree with you, but I know from your post history that there's absolutely nothing I nor anyone else could say that would ever convince you to change you view.

So we'll just have to agree (or disagree, do as you like) to disagree.


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Interrogator Kang is a nice guy. I would share a pint with him.


 

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Interrogator Kang is a nice guy. I would share a pint with him.
Maybe you could invite his daughter along too?


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I've had an absolute field day playing through the Resistance>Warden arc with the Praetorian version of Andrea Blake. I can't say she's LIKED every Praetorian she's met, but she respects most of them. (Not all. The ones who want to blow up hospitals, she'd happily beat into the ground.)

And everything she does is motivated by giving people a CHOICE. I've not had the chance yet to go through the others, but I'm curious if all the arc paths start 'small' and end up affecting things on a larger scale. That's why principles are such slippery things to hold on to...

*spoilers follow*

Force Paolo to leave or allow him to stay? I let him stay - forcing him to leave "for his own good and the good of others" smacked too much of what Cole and his regime are about.

Free the Seers or not? This one was harder for me, but I did it anyway and freed them - because the burden of adhering to and enforcing moral and humane behaviour should be borne by each individual, not forced onto the shoulders of a select few, some of whom didn't want that burden to begin with.

Blow up the Enriche plant? At that one, I balked - I couldn't do it... I sat at my computer and argued with myself for a good 10 minutes about whether I'd do it or not, and was almost set to blow it up... but six months of suffering and disease and death just so Vanguard could come in and 'save' them? No. Deliberately bringing the populace to the brink of disaster and then rescuing them sounded too much like what Cole had done, and look where that ended up.

*end spoilers*

It's this distinct lack of "black and white" that I'm really liking about GR... if heroism were easy, everyone would do it. And how many villains are just true anarchists? It's those subtle shades of grey that I think are making these some of the best arcs in the game. Now if we could get more like these in PC and the RI, this game really would take on a whole new dimension.

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Nooot exactly. If the law was that police spontaneously clobber random passersby on the street, that'd be one thing, but the Responsibility line is genuinely interested in the well-being of the general populace.

Don't spurn the Loyalists until you're well-informed. (-:
You haven't found the PPD execution chambers in the Nova underground yet have you?


 

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You haven't found the PPD execution chambers in the Nova underground yet have you?
They don't exist, citizen.
But if they did, they would only be used for the common good - for your good, citizen.


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They don't exist, citizen.
But if they did, they would only be used for the common good - for your good, citizen.
*Luke Skywalker whine*

That's not true! That unpossible! *ugh still can't get the appropriate level of whine.*


 

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Maybe you could invite his daughter along too?
Pity about her, but have you done the final Responsibility arc? I won't spoil it, and I stand by my statement.


 

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Pity about her, but have you done the final Responsibility arc? I won't spoil it, and I stand by my statement.
She hasn't done anything other than the Warden arcs, and won't do the others. Unless she changed her stance.


 

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a. Roll a Scrapper.
b. Kill everyone.
c. Problem solved!

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a. Roll a Scrapper.
b. Kill everyone.
c. Problem solved!

=)
I'm trying that with a blaster.


 

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You haven't found the PPD execution chambers in the Nova underground yet have you?
So you think the PPD just randomly arrests citizens for jaywalking and then executes them? What would be the point?


 

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So you think the PPD just randomly arrests citizens for jaywalking and then executes them? What would be the point?
Not the point. It's there, in the the game. If you want to, you can find it, but it takes effort...or getting lost.

Edit: And there is a badge attached to the location: "Disappeared."


 

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I find it significant that for the most part the Resistance is all "Revenge, revenge, revenge," (or even, "lets just cause mayhem because we can!") but the Loyalists are all "We must make sacrifices for the greater good." Even the Loyalist contact whose only daughter is a Seer.

The back story makes it fairly clear that humanity was on the verge of being wiped out by Hamidon until Cole took charge. The area is an exploration of the extremes needed to keep the people protected from a much larger and overwhelming threat.

On one hand, those of us from this dimension could easily see Cole's government as overly oppressive. But on the other hand with the looming DE threat it might really be necessary to keep the remaining humans safe at all costs.

I'm thinking that if the Resistance won, they would not be able to hold back the DE threat that has engulfed the world. Sure the oppression would be gone, but then there would be the running and screaming...

In a sense, the oppressive Cole regime may seem cruel, but it looks like it might be necessary.

That said, I still end up helping the Resistance, usually as a double agent.


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Not the point. It's there, in the the game. If you want to, you can find it, but it takes effort...or getting lost.

Edit: And there is a badge attached to the location: "Disappeared."
Well.. you replied with that statement to a comment about whether or not the PPD goes for random brutality on ordinary loyal citizens. Presumably the death penalty can be handed out much much more liberally in Praetoria, but I doubt it's handed out for misdemeanors or at random.



Uber - that's my thinking too.. I sort of wobbled between Warden and Responsibility. Warden has a lot of good goals but it also really irritates me how there's all of one contact that's willing to say 'enough is enough' to the crusaders and stop some of their mass murdering.. because it would be bad PR.

Wardens were the only one who might be able to get enough influence and pressure to change things with a much less bloody revolution, though.