I hate every Praetorian
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Adumbrate,
Posted on: 2010-08-25 02:12 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
A normal person would never have done that to their daughter in the first place.
@Golden Girl
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define normal from the perspective of a Praetorian.
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Human beings are still human beings, no matter what dimension they're in |
Originally Posted by DMystic
define normal from the perspective of a Praetorian.
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@Golden Girl
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Give me proof he knew about what was really happening to the Seers before he turned over his daughter. It's possible all he knew at the time was she needed training and Mother Mayhem is the expert on such training.
And Human beings are tricked and fooled into believing lies all the time.
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When he never heard from her again, he must have suspected something was wrong - like no phonecall on his birthday or visit at Christmas.|
Originally Posted by RottenLuck
Give me proof he knew about what was really happening to the Seers before he turned over his daughter. It's possible all he knew at the time was she needed training and Mother Mayhem is the expert on such training.
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Although, being a PPD Interrogator, he might have been too busy torturing people to notice so many years had passed since he'd last seen or heard from her - it can be tough being a good man.
@Golden Girl
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Circumstances determine how a person will act in a situation.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Human beings are still human beings, no matter what dimension they're in
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You've seen the world brought to the brink of destruction from our own nuclear weapons, you've seen the Hamidon destroy cities. Now you live in Praetoria. So define what's normal for those circumstances.
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Love and compassion don't change.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
Circumstances determine how a person will act in a situation.
You've seen the world brought to the brink of destruction from our own nuclear weapons, you've seen the Hamidon destroy cities. Now you live in Praetoria. Now define what's normal for those circumstances. |
@Golden Girl
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Your dodging the question.
I find this whole deal where Golden Girl refers to every single loyalist as a stormtrooper who deservers the guiotene no matter their intentions such as 'I have a family to feed, I'm working with who I can, I have ONLY heard bad things of the resistance, if only someone would present the good parts to me'. Unfortuantely she defends Cleo, who is in her eyes a 'hero'.
Now imagine this and compare:
Option 1: A resistance member automatically assumes that every single loyalist is a punk who deserves to die. In other words, they do NOT take into account the individual(like a dictator ship), they do NOT care to give the person fair trial(alias speaking to them as a person, and deciding on them as a individual, and just executing them wily nilly... like a dictatorship!)
Option 2: Give the person a chance, speak to them after you get even a vibe that they're trustworthy, try to convert them and show them the error of their ways. Then if they still want to follow the dictatorship THEN murder the zealot.
Which one sounds more like a hero and more far away from this 'Dictatorship' card that she throws around.
Golden Girl, I'll say the flaws of the loyalist, YOU stop being a brainwashed zealot(which you constantly wave at loyalists, ignoring their position, mind set, or what THEY would be exposed to in their lives) and begin to admit the flaws of the resistance.
Break even ground, otherwise you are being the oppressive single minded dictator yourself. Judge the people, not who they are apart of, Cole and his empire is a evil, disgusting thing filled to the brim with tyranny. If you took a moment to listen to Washington, he admits such and wants to fight against it without people getting hurt.
Don't judge the citizens and workers as evil just because they are under foot.
PS: Cleo abuses her power everyday, using her Boyfriend to get her own ends and immunity overall.
PSS: You mocked the fact that Calvin Scott is not a good idea to follow, in other words his commands are NOT a good moral compass. But you would choose him, OVER Washington, purely because Washington is a loyalist... there's a word for writing someone off instantly for a arbitrary reason... but I just can't think of it right now.
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That "love and compassion" work for everyone, everywhere, at every time? Regardless of circumstances?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
No - I gave you the answer
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Seriously?
Only if you are the Sailor Senshi.
[QUOTE=Golden Girl;3214532]No - I gave you the answer [/QUOTE
No you didn't. And by your own reasoning every member of the resistance is an anarchist amd an arsonist and they only care about blowing stuff up or killing people that have done nothing to them.
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Nothing says "Love and Compassion" turning freshly rescued psychics into wandering bombs! |
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
That "love and compassion" work for everyone, everywhere, at every time? Regardless of circumstances?
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I'm sure there's plenty of Love and compassion in the children being fed to Ghouls!
And Gosh knows there's tons of love in the arms of a reprogrammed clockwork crushing the life out of innocent people with their Death-hugs!
And just think of all the Love and Compassion that would be spread all over the city when mothers and daughters and sons and fathers get blown up in a Hospital Bombing!
By supporting the Terrorists, GG allows these things to happen, even facilitates them at times! But gosh darn it there's just soooo much love and compassion all over the place once the Crusaders detonate a nuclear bomb in Nova Praetoria and then destroy the reactor in Neutropolis to let all the Devouring Earth in to "Love" whatever citizens survived!
-Rachel-
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Only the evil anarchist Crusaders - the normal people in the Resistance don't |
Originally Posted by DMystic
And by your own reasoning every member of the resistance is an anarchist amd an arsonist and they only care about blowing stuff up or killing people that have done nothing to them.
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@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Nothing says "Love and Compassion" turning freshly rescued psychics into wandering bombs!
I'm sure there's plenty of Love and compassion in the children being fed to Ghouls! And Gosh knows there's tons of love in the arms of a reprogrammed clockwork crushing the life out of innocent people with their Death-hugs! And just think of all the Love and Compassion that would be spread all over the city when mothers and daughters and sons and fathers get blown up in a Hospital Bombing! By supporting the Terrorists, GG allows these things to happen, even facilitates them at times! But gosh darn it there's just soooo much love and compassion all over the place once the Crusaders detonate a nuclear bomb in Nova Praetoria and then destroy the reactor in Neutropolis to let all the Devouring Earth in to "Love" whatever citizens survived! -Rachel- |
That sums it up.
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o/~ "Come on people now, smile on your brother. Everybody get together try to love one another right now." o/~|
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
By supporting the Terrorists, GG allows these things to happen, even facilitates them at times! But gosh darn it there's just soooo much love and compassion all over the place once the Crusaders detonate a nuclear bomb in Nova Praetoria and then destroy the reactor in Neutropolis to let all the Devouring Earth in to "Love" whatever citizens survived!
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I can't tell if GG is being serious or not anymore. If she is, she's either very deluded or naive. Such black and white thinking; you know, only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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See? Praetorian humans are just like us |
Originally Posted by Hinto
Cleo abuses her power everyday, using her Boyfriend to get her own ends and immunity overall.
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@Golden Girl
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Yes - because they're basic to being a human being.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
That "love and compassion" work for everyone, everywhere, at every time? Regardless of circumstances?
Seriously? |
@Golden Girl
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I know that you have something in common with Emperor Cole. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
See? Praetorian humans are just like us
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
See? Praetorian humans are just like us
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That's a nice sentiment and I agree that we all ought to strive to be better than what we are, but it is far from a "basic requirement". Nature's only requirement for us is that we survive. Beyond that, it has nothing to say.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Yes - because they're basic to being a human being.
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Originally Posted by golden girl
only the evil anarchist crusaders - the normal people in the resistance don't
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define normal !!!!!!!!
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Non-loyalists and non-Crusaders |
Originally Posted by DMystic
define normal!!!!!!!!
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@Golden Girl
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Now you point out two who are IN the Government who Do Obey the EVIL Laws at least up front. No two facing here Either they are EVIL for being members of the EVIL Empire or they are not. THAT is your own argument they Had to prove themselves as being crooked to be part of the EVIL system.
Another point it's possible to believe the shiny gold and lies when starting as a Loyalest and later find out how rotten it is. Say Believing the lie that untrained and uncontrolled Mind powered Daughter is a bad thing and believing that send her to the Seerers.
Only Later finding out what happens and hating yourself for believing the lie and condemning your own daughter.