How many people believe this?

I just read this, kind of makes the "we need an alternative to buying purples on the market" argument obsolete:

Positron:

"That’s a new form of currency with which you can buy the very rare drops, the purple drops, in a place that only heroes and only villains can go to, called the Loyalty Lounges.”

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/87358/page/2

Yes, by all means, lets introduce yet another currency to solve all our problems.

Prestige so Heroes wouldn't have an advantage in building bases over Villains with their 18 month head start.

Merits to balance the TF/Trial special rewards. Recipe and Salvage proxy.

Vanguard Merits to reward those who fight the alien menace. Actually don't mind this one since it's mainly just costume pieces.

AE Tickets for MA content. Recipe and Salvage Proxy.

And now Loyalty Merits for players who are hard aligned to Heroes or Villains. Surprise, another Recipe Proxy.

[QUOTE=Panzerwaffen;3077267]No, not automatic. Because you clearly do not understand how it functions.

Why? Because you consistently continue to make statements on your own, that demonstrate that. Such as: [QUOTE]

In your opinion. well maybe wrong on that point maybe not but still I hava general understanding how it works and imo, it's wacked.


Nothing is perfect and no matter what they do even if it's the most perfect thing on the planet such as perfection itself someone aint going to like it. Like I might there are soem aspects of the game that is totally awesome while you say is broke. Sure I could just say you lack understanding since you disagree and my point is supurior and thus have more supurior understanding. Yet, sadly, that may not be true. Maybe it is maybe not but its all in perception of the beholder. As an old man told me once. "To people, everyone else stuff stinks except theres." "People view everyone elses flaws as unforgivable as viewing their own flaws as forgettable and or normal." You clearly demostrated what that old man said. Of course imo.

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

I already explained which what I thought was wrong in the earlier post of this topic. But my cap suggested was around 100million or 200 million. Someone else suggested 100k, which I hope was a typo maybe so maybe not.

I thought my position clearly through long time. Been observing the market closely, learned how to use it, see what really shakes and moves it, see what happens if one player decides to use his/her infamy to buy out a particular item and low price and artifically control demand by releasing one or two at time during high bid times set at double price or triple price. Then I made my suggestion and my idea.


It seems, on paper, some sort of fix might be in works in i18 or GR. gotta just wait and see. Maybe a NPC for purps will arrive then maybe not. Even a NPC that sales everything that is avail on market will fix some of the problem i see with the market.

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

As I've posted before in other topics randomly, I'd like to see/have an NPC that sells everything (from salvage to recipes (even purples but not PvP recipes since that was the "carrot" for getting people to come to PvP)).

It'll be interesting to see how this whole new purple-selling NPC works out in i18/GR.

Common sense dictates that the devs are not going to suddenly make acquiring purples trivial, and yes, "unlimited supply at around 100M - 200M inf each" is trivial. They are rare drops and so if they become available from NPCs, they will likely be limited not by price but availability.

I think it's important to realize that if the devs did add a "purple store," it only means that they are adding a different way to get purples. It doesn't mean that the devs agree that there is a problem with the supply or the price of purples. Presumably any store is going to have mechanics attached to ensure that these rare items stay rare.

I'll admit right off the bat that I've only skimmed this thread, so my apologies if this has been mentioned before:

Be glad that stuff in this game doesn't hit the same stupidly high prices as certain items in Eve (Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field for 20 billion anyone?). That's a game with outrageous prices and shows the folly of having no transaction cap at all and allow the playerbase to dictate every aspect of market pricing and availability. I love the game, but paying 20 billion or more for something is just silly.

I disagree. If that's really what it's selling for, then it's worth that much.

Right now, whatever that thing is, it's worth that much money to some players, and there are enough such players that they can buy all of the things available at those prices. It'd be cheaper if there were more things, or less money. That's how economies work.

Caps don't actually do anything but create unavailability. If something is worth more than the market thinks it's worth, most of the time you can't get it. That's all; it doesn't suddenly become widely available for cheaper, it just stops being possible to get it at all except through luck or formalized rationing.

Its not worth that much, not in terms of how useful it is, nor how hard it is to get (aside from the fact that you basically have to do the WoW thing and queue to kill Estamel). He spawns in the same area on a relatively set schedule and has for years. Its only worth that because the couple of groups that basically own the market on Estamel mods get to set whatever price they want. To put it in perspective, the largest and arguably most powerful vessels in the game are Titans. These ships are capable of defeating most anything in the game with a single attack (hooray for doomsday, hehe) and take large fleets to defeat for the most part (unless of course you bring a Titan or two of your own). A fully equipped Titan won't even cost as much as that Estamel mod, with the ship itself topping out at around 5-7.5 billion. But the Titan market isn't held by a select few of the hundreds of thousands of registered accounts like Estamel mods are.

I guess I should have been a little more specific in how I laid it out in my previous post. Eve has an entirely player-driven economy. Nothing (with the current exception of the new Planetary Interaction CC's until the seeded ones have been sold) in the game comes from the devs, including ships, fittings, ammo and station parts. It all comes from loot drops (such as the Estamel mods I've been talking about) and from the manufacturing portion of the playerbase. Now, I'm not saying that such a player-driven economy is bad. The game is one big sandbox after all, and as such, the market should be as well. But with the dominance of certain veteran players in the areas of space where you can find Estamel and other elite NPC commanders to kill gives them the ability to demand whatever price for the loot from those elite commanders. Those same mods, before those veteran players had effectively cornered the market on them, used to be a billion tops. What kind of inflation in price is that?

As a side note, the reason that they don't sell much on the open market is because most people tend to keep them for bragging rights, no more. They're hardly more effective than other officer mods that can be had for a a couple hundred million. I could understand them demanding such a high price if they actually were exponentially better than those far cheaper ones, but the differences between Estamel's and other officer fittings are so tiny that there's absolutely no point in having them.


Either way, this isn't the Eve board, so I'll just shut up before my post turns into the Great Wall of Pyber. Just be glad that no set of anything in this game costs as much as a set of Estamel mods, heh.

It sounds like you mean "player-controlled monopoly", not "player-controlled market". I take a player-controlled market to be one in which the players are the suppliers and sellers. What you're describing with that particular item is that, thanks to its drop mechanics (or perhaps more specifically, thanks to its drop geography), the corps in question can actually control its supply.

That's a very different situation than we have in CoH. There are no unique mob drops, so everyone can be a producer of everything, no matter how rare. (The closest we get are PvPOs.) No matter how hard you throw money at the effort to "corner the market" on some good, other people will always still be selling it, competing with you for the sales and creating downward price pressure that you have to fight with your own funds.