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I keep telling the other people I see on Protector and Triumph that they aren't there but they don't believe me.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
however voluntary and inaccurate, it's better than what we have-
some disgruntled yay-hoo in the Suggestions forum screaming I haven't seen anyone on Protector in three weeks, merge the servers! =P |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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That reminds me of someone I worked with once saying "Well, if you believe in evolution, I don't see the point in even having this discussion."
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around... second only to the PVP crowd.
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Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
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What is really sad is how many people will miss your point by focusing on the specific.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
That reminds me of someone I worked with once saying "Well, if you believe in evolution, I don't see the point in even having this discussion."
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Man... IHIWTH! |
Originally Posted by swellguy
i keep telling the other people i see on protector and triumph that they aren't there but they don't believe me.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
City of Heroes didn't fail, City of Heroes was killed. If a 747 dropped on your house, you'd say you were killed, not you failed to find a safer dwelling.
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What do you feel the bias is? Do you think that bias is correlated in some way to reality, or that it's purely a matter of personal opinions?
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around... second only to the PVP crowd.
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a teacher buddy of mine has a handy litmus test when he suspects he's got an anti-science zealot in his class. |
Originally Posted by Fulmens
That reminds me of someone I worked with once saying "Well, if you believe in evolution, I don't see the point in even having this discussion."
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He asks "how old do you think the earth is?"
It hasn't failed him yet.
The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.
My City Was Gone
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If a bias for reality is wrong, I don't wanna be right!
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around...
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The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.
My City Was Gone
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Shouldn't you be hanging out in the Comic and Hero/Villain Culture forum talking about what virtual babe you'd draft first? That seems to be more your speed.
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around... second only to the PVP crowd.
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This my friends is comic gold. @Havoc_X I'm most definately 'in' on it. You know...part of the super secret section of the forums who are out to get everyone else. Yea.......
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around... second only to the PVP crowd.
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I could state emphatically it is at least (insert my age at the time of being asked) years old. |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
a teacher buddy of mine has a handy litmus test when he suspects he's got an anti-science zealot in his class.
He asks "how old do you think the earth is?" It hasn't failed him yet. |
The rest of it could be the product of my warped mind.
Or I might say it is older than dirt. But he would probably have never asked me.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Shhh! We're not supposed to talk about our secret cabal of marketeers lest the unwashed masses become aware of our byzantine plots... |
Originally Posted by Ignatz
This my friends is comic gold. @Havoc_X I'm most definately 'in' on it. You know...part of the super secret section of the forums who are out to get everyone else. Yea.......
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Wait.
Crap.
Oh well... I guess the cat's out of the bag now.
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Why would anyone put Catwhoorg into a bag?
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
Shhh! We're not supposed to talk about our secret cabal of marketeers lest the unwashed masses become aware of our byzantine plots...
Wait. Crap. Oh well... I guess the cat's out of the bag now. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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as long as you don't answer "ten thousand years!" with a defiantly clenched jaw you're in the clear.|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I could state emphatically it is at least (insert my age at the time of being asked) years old.
The rest of it could be the product of my warped mind. Or I might say it is older than dirt. But he would probably have never asked me. |
=D
The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.
My City Was Gone
I can't even establish convincingly that the planet exists, let alone that it existed in the past. However, I can argue reasonably persuasively that I have found explanatory and predictive power in a series of assumptions as a result of which I can accept, at least provisionally, a series of methodologies and ways of interpreting sensory experience that allow us to draw more definite conclusions about the planet's age, and that at the very least, it appears that using these methodologies leads to more pleasant experiences than disregarding them does.
(Someone is supposed to say "I bet you're a blast at parties", to which I respond with a single-sentence post using vaguely Germanic word orderings, which has to be broken into two parts to get around the forum software's length limits, the upshot of which is "people love a philosopher, or at least, will pretend to if the philosopher sticks dollar bills in their thongs.")
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Gotta say....simply outstanding Seebs. |
Originally Posted by seebs
I can't even establish convincingly that the planet exists, let alone that it existed in the past. However, I can argue reasonably persuasively that I have found explanatory and predictive power in a series of assumptions as a result of which I can accept, at least provisionally, a series of methodologies and ways of interpreting sensory experience that allow us to draw more definite conclusions about the planet's age, and that at the very least, it appears that using these methodologies leads to more pleasant experiences than disregarding them does.
(Someone is supposed to say "I bet you're a blast at parties", to which I respond with a single-sentence post using vaguely Germanic word orderings, which has to be broken into two parts to get around the forum software's length limits, the upshot of which is "people love a philosopher, or at least, will pretend to if the philosopher sticks dollar bills in their thongs.") |
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Well, to be fair, posting in the markets forum to say that markets should be removed from the game is likely to meet about the same reception as posting in the basebuilders forum to say that bases should be removed from the game, or in the scrappers forum to say that scrappers should be removed from the game. Even if the presence of scrappers in the game removes my fun in slotting up knockback powers, because they complain about it, I wouldn't expect the people who hang out on that forum to come out evenly split in favor of removing the AT.
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around... second only to the PVP crowd.
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Well, can you be sure of that? You might be a replicant. Could be the earth is only 3 years old, and you have fake memories of prior to the 17 months of actual aging you have experienced.|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I could state emphatically it is at least (insert my age at the time of being asked) years old.
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RagManX
"if the market were religion Fulmens would be Moses and you'd be L. Ron Hubbard. " --Nethergoat to eryq2
The economy is not broken. The players are
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Curse you market forum, and your basis in reality!!!|
Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around... second only to the PVP crowd.
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RagManX
"if the market were religion Fulmens would be Moses and you'd be L. Ron Hubbard. " --Nethergoat to eryq2
The economy is not broken. The players are
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Clearly if we hung out where you do instead, with people like you, there would be far less bias.|
Originally Posted by Havoc_X
LMAO... nothing like posting this in one of the most biased forums around... second only to the PVP crowd.
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Wait...
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Yeah reality... right. You do realize this is a GAME correct? It has NO basis in reality and this includes the broken market.|
Originally Posted by RagManX
Curse you market forum, and your basis in reality!!!
RagManX |
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Clearly if we hung out where you do instead, with people like you, there would be far less bias. Wait... |
Sorry "Uberguy" your one of the biggest reasons that the original thread was removed. You childish attacks on anyone that wanted a change/improvements to fixed a broken market was assinine. Give it a rest already.
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Odd. Market seems to work just fine for me. Perhaps you should file a bug report.
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
the broken market.
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We already have these stores, using Merits as a currency when it comes to recipes (and salvage) excluding the obvious like purples and PvP-IO's. As a player, it's easy to tally up the total cost for what you'd like and then just go play whatever merit-generating mechanism you prefer to earn said merits and enough influence to cover the crafting in the process. Merit earning rate isn't affected by levels either, so you don't have to use a 50 or even play at that level to rack them up. Unfortunately, due to the overall costs for a build when counted in merits it's currently not a viable alternative to the market. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't think most people who propose such things actually think it would make the markets "work." I think most people who propose such things don't care if the markets work, they believe the primary purpose to the markets is to supply players with what they want at prices that make it easy for them to get it, without regard to the desires of sellers. And they almost certainly believe that if players won't sell at those prices, they should just cut out the middle man and convert the market into a store that doesn't rely on sellers. Because a corollary to this assertion is that there should always be enough supply for everyone to have whatever they want if they decide to acquire it.
I would bet that if you asked most people who believe in extremely low caps if they would care if the markets were replaced with stores that just bought and sold everything at fixed prices, most wouldn't object. Most would probably consider it an improvement. |
Architect tickets on the other hand are working (perhaps too well) when it comes to generating desired salvage off-market. Straight up prices in terms of tickets and merits, add up what you need and just go play the superhero game to get there. These two mechanisms exclude eachother since a player can't earn both at once, meaning it does take added time to achieve the player's goal using the non-market approach since it's very unlikely all salvage or any recipes desired are found during superhero gameplay.
This is directly opposed by the market, where those who play that mini-game and/or earn influence at a high rate through farming can use influence without any superhero gaming time to achieve the same goals in a much smaller window of time. As has been shown in this forum section plenty of times, someone playing the market mini-game can rack up lots of currency and exchange for desired items at an astonishing rate.
The invention system isn't fundamentally attached to the market through programming any more than it is to the merit system, which seems to be a common misconception. It's both routes to acquiring the items requried to create an IO. One of the things forcing the market to be predominant is the disparity in time the player needs to invest to earn a specific item through merits. It's ultimately a player decision, one that's made based on what feels most available - players not comfortable with the market probably wouldn't have these issues if the alternative was fully viable. Until the non-market option is changed to something that seems to be within reach, these players will show up from time to time with "fixes" that won't work for the market mini-game simply because they don't care about it - as Arcanaville already pointed out. Changing the market is probably not what these players want anyway, they want the already existing alternative to come off as just that - a serious alternative.
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If the game has NO basis in reality, how does it make sense to describe the market as "broken" or players who enjoy it as "biased"?
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Originally Posted by Havoc_X
Yeah reality... right. You do realize this is a GAME correct? It has NO basis in reality and this includes the broken market.
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I am absolutely positive you are confusing me with someone else. The only "attack" I directed at the poster in question was to inform him that he was acting like a 12-year old, in specific response to his resorting to telling people to come see him in real life so they could have a fist fight. I kid you not.|
Originally Posted by Havoc_X
Sorry "Uberguy" your one of the biggest reasons that the original thread was removed. You childish attacks on anyone that wanted a change/improvements to fixed a broken market was assinine. Give it a rest already.
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Also, that thread was removed because a poster resorted to death threats. It's really that simple.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I posted to ask if he meant 100 million, and he responded that his suggestion of 100,000 was correct. I briefly explained why this was not workable and he basically said "I don't care". I was prepared to write him off as an anomaly when another person posted pretty much the same thing: add a cap to the market to stop the "greed".
So I was wondering, how many people do you think actually believe that this is a viable method for the market to work?