Do Leadership powers stack?
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Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2010-06-15 18:34 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
They stack, yes.
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Hell yes they stack, and it's fan-freaking-tastic. Stacked leadership is the most underrated tactic in the game.
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They are meant to stack, multiple times.
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Hell, several of my VEATs double up on Assault and Maneuvers with the Leadership pool. |
Originally Posted by Starflier
Hell yes they stack, and it's fan-freaking-tastic. Stacked leadership is the most underrated tactic in the game.
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I always thought it kinda funny that they did stack.
I mean, it's called "Leadership." This would imply that the character who takes the powers is the "leader." So a whole team of leaders? That'd be like herding cats.
Perhaps if it was called "Teamwork" instead from the get-go. Oh well, that's ship's sailed.
Anywho, yes. Leadership powers stack and are awesome when done so.
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Have you seen the average PUG? |
Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
So a whole team of leaders? That'd be like herding cats.
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The only power that isn't exactly stackable is vengeance. It used to be, but now you have to do some trick with tp to stack it.
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The Leadership powers are like CoH's own Prisoner's Dilemma. They're okay by themselves, but great if everyone has them. But since not everyone has them, few people take them to realize their greatness.
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And even more so, because if ENOUGH people have them, the rest of the team doesn't need them and can then take other "cooler" powers. So the "selfish" people (in the language of game theory, not really selfish) benefit from Leadership without having to take it themselves.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
The Leadership powers are like CoH's own Prisoner's Dilemma. They're okay by themselves, but great if everyone has them. But since not everyone has them, few people take them to realize their greatness.
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So you get teams where no one has Leadership and everyone wishes the rest of the team took it.
The same thing happens with Stealth/TP or even Medicine pool.
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Not enough people take it in PuGs 
In my SG we try to stack it as much as we can.
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V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
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Good way to put it. I'd love to see some CoX pact, one where all players that teamed would take Maneuvers and add 2 slots for Def. Heck, even just taking Assault would improve most all teams (obvious exception of the team with a Kin that manages to FS an entire team and keep it up).|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
The Leadership powers are like CoH's own Prisoner's Dilemma. They're okay by themselves, but great if everyone has them. But since not everyone has them, few people take them to realize their greatness.
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Personally I have my own pact that I adhere to, where all of my VEATs, Defs and Corrs take at least 2 Leadership, trollers and MMs have at least 1. Blasters and Doms I try to sneak in Assault. Meleers sometimes take Maneuvers, but not always.
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Actually, I use them to (selfishly) softcap my defenses or to bump up my damage on certain defenders. Depending on your build, Maneuvers may give your character more bang for the buck than taking three powers from the Fighting pool (which I often wind up doing on my melee characters). It depends on the AT and your power selections.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
The Leadership powers are like CoH's own Prisoner's Dilemma. They're okay by themselves, but great if everyone has them. But since not everyone has them, few people take them to realize their greatness.
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My Fortunata has 6 Leadership toggles |
Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
all of my VEATs, Defs and Corrs take at least 2 Leadership
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Arg, my blue bar...
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
My Fortunata has 6 Leadership toggles
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Several times I've been on all MasterMind StrikeForces, where each player had Maneuvers, Assault and Tactics. It was always so awesome to behold.
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That's potentially 24 leadership toggles and 56 allies running around. The whole Arachnos army has nothing on that.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Several times I've been on all MasterMind StrikeForces, where each player had Maneuvers, Assault and Tactics. It was always so awesome to behold.
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Don't worry it gets even more insane when you start thinking that those MMs are Thug MMs. Since the leadship buffs the LTs give stack with all other Thugs. So add in that you have 48 toggles on all the pets with 24 on each of the MMs. You begin to see the pets do things not normal. And the very funny part the only hard part is getting that many people to play thug MM, if you all pick different secondaries there isn't really anything you can't do.
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
That's potentially 24 leadership toggles and 56 allies running around. The whole Arachnos army has nothing on that.
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Mine always skip the second Tactics. Otherwise it's about the same.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
My Fortunata has 6 Leadership toggles
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if you had 8 players with all 3 toggles, what would the numbers look like..besides awesome?
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Mine always skip the second Tactics. Otherwise it's about the same.
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Capped damage, ridiculously high accuracy and perception, and probably a fair chunk of added defense.
Edit: Yes I know those aren't numbers. But to be fair, when you have super-stacked Leadership powers, it becomes unimportant.
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8 Blasters/Scrappers/Tankers/Brutes/Stalkers with slotted Maneuvers: ~27.3% defense (a bit less than a SR Scrapper with SOs)|
Originally Posted by Medic_brietz
if you had 8 players with all 3 toggles, what would the numbers look like..besides awesome?
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8 Defenders with slotted Maneuvers: ~42% defense (a bit less than the softcap)
8 Arachnos Widows with slotted Tactical Training: Maneuvers*: ~60% defense
8 Arachnos Soldiers with slotted Tactical Training: Maneuvers*: ~120% defense
8 Blasters/Scrappers/Tankers/Brutes/Stalkers with Assault: +84% damage (2 common IOs outside of ED)
8 Arachnos Soldiers/Arachnos Widows with Tactical Training: Assault*: 120%
8 Defenders with Assault: +150% damage (3/4 Fury bar)
8 Blasters/Scrappers/Tankers/Brutes/Stalkers with slotted Tactics: ~84% tohit
8 Arachnos Soldiers/Arachnos Widows with slotted Tactical Training: Leadership*: ~120% tohit
8 Defenders with slotted Tactics: ~150% tohit (level 50 players will reach capped tohit with +125.35%)
* For regular Maneuvers, Arachnos Soldiers and Arachnos Widows have the same values as Defenders. For regular Assault and for Tactics, Arachnos Soldiers and Arachnos Widows have the same values as Controllers and Corruptors. Of course, the Arachnos ATs can stack all 6 toggles
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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A little off topic but on a recent ITF on Liberty, we somehow got stacked vengeance from my Huntsman Build and a Defender on the team. It was like a one-in-a-million chance thing. We simultaneously hit Vengeance. It may have been do to "lag hill" but it was still amazing. Of course it was mostly Kheld ITF so the double vengie was great on em... |
Originally Posted by magikwand
The only power that isn't exactly stackable is vengeance. It used to be, but now you have to do some trick with tp to stack it.
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Leadership is one my favorite Power Pools in the game..highly underrated for what it can accomplish on teams.
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Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
2 people in the same group with assault - does it stack? or, should only one person have it active at a time? Thanks in advance.