Do Leadership powers stack?
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Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2010-06-15 18:34 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Yes, Vengeance can stack if multiple copies are activated during the same server tick, since the people affected won't have had the chance to be set into Vengeance_Mode. Client-side lag shouldn't affect your ability to cause it (without queue-teleport), but server-side lag probably would.
Running with Repeat Offenders (especially a group like the Faithful Fans of Fallout), I've often seen multiple copies of Vengeance without any setup, simply because each sees a corpse and starts a mad dash to their own copy of Vengeance in, resulting in accidental stacking. If you're with FFoF you then get to play the part of nuke for a bit.
My FFoF motto is 'Vengeance is my heal'. It's true, too -- my Rad/Dark/Power Defender doesn't have Radiant Aura or Life Drain, nor the Medicine pool, and I got the Medic badge for casting Vengeance. 
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
My thoughts on leadership toggles, the VEATS have them built in....they are coming blueside YAH. A full team of VEATS during testing was essentially unkillable due to all the stacking. It is amazing.
I think stacking of Leadership pools powers kinda has been dubbed force multipliers.
heres the ticket....
DEFENDERS.....just got a damge boost of like 30% for solo, I added i think man and assault to my defender. I figure, if i solo or small team with another def or controller, the assault will help both of us (especially if the def has assault or man)....and enough defs on teams with assault...(with a veat or two on a team once gr goes live)....it will add up.
Hoping more defenders will pick up leadership powers over time.
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Leadership has always been a pretty-much-must-have for my defenders. And is a big, big part of why 8-defender teams can blast with the best of them...|
Originally Posted by Fire_Storm
DEFENDERS.....just got a damge boost of like 30% for solo, I added i think man and assault to my defender. I figure, if i solo or small team with another def or controller, the assault will help both of us (especially if the def has assault or man)....and enough defs on teams with assault...(with a veat or two on a team once gr goes live)....it will add up.
Hoping more defenders will pick up leadership powers over time. |
Only real downside used to be that being team-multiplier effects they weren't as useful solo - which used to really hurt some defenders who already had team-oriented builds from their primaries. Yay for dual builds and new vigilance.
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Force multipliers are any ally-buff power or any foe-debuff power (especially damage, defense, and resistance), not just stacked Leadership. This is why Defenders, Controllers, Corruptors, and Masterminds as a whole are called force multipliers, because they get those buffs and debuffs in their primaries and secondaries (and have better attribute modifiers for the buffs and debuffs)
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Originally Posted by Fire_Storm
I think stacking of Leadership pools powers kinda has been dubbed force multipliers.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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What, no Controller numbers? |
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
8 Blasters/Scrappers/Tankers/Brutes/Stalkers with slotted Maneuvers: ~27.3% defense (a bit less than a SR Scrapper with SOs)
8 Defenders with slotted Maneuvers: ~42% defense (a bit less than the softcap) 8 Arachnos Widows with slotted Tactical Training: Maneuvers*: ~60% defense 8 Arachnos Soldiers with slotted Tactical Training: Maneuvers*: ~120% defense 8 Blasters/Scrappers/Tankers/Brutes/Stalkers with Assault: +84% damage (2 common IOs outside of ED) 8 Arachnos Soldiers/Arachnos Widows with Tactical Training: Assault*: 120% 8 Defenders with Assault: +150% damage (3/4 Fury bar) 8 Blasters/Scrappers/Tankers/Brutes/Stalkers with slotted Tactics: ~84% tohit 8 Arachnos Soldiers/Arachnos Widows with slotted Tactical Training: Leadership*: ~120% tohit 8 Defenders with slotted Tactics: ~150% tohit (level 50 players will reach capped tohit with +125.35%) * For regular Maneuvers, Arachnos Soldiers and Arachnos Widows have the same values as Defenders. For regular Assault and for Tactics, Arachnos Soldiers and Arachnos Widows have the same values as Controllers and Corruptors. Of course, the Arachnos ATs can stack all 6 toggles |
I have recently been seeing an influence farm team in PI, and it is...sobering.
Eight controllers, four fire/kin, four fire/shield. All with leadership and the fire epic for fireballs, holds, and of course, rise of the phoenix.
Yeah. Do the math on THAT.
Unlimited stacking buffs are....ridiculously broken.
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I listed the lowest and the highest, plus the Tactical Training numbers.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
What, no Controller numbers?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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yes they are, BUT since few people take leadership (on a whole population basis) or stack to a ridiculous degree (since many teams NEED a Lamepathy/lolpaindom to function to any degree) its hardly an issue in any sense.|
Originally Posted by mauk2
What, no Controller numbers?
I have recently been seeing an influence farm team in PI, and it is...sobering. Eight controllers, four fire/kin, four fire/shield. All with leadership and the fire epic for fireballs, holds, and of course, rise of the phoenix. Yeah. Do the math on THAT. Unlimited stacking buffs are....ridiculously broken. |
What Im saying is the majority of people playing this game are dumb, and Despite my Hatred of RO network....Most of them do these things that are 'broken' on a daily basis. Outside of them and my 4 friends....I never see this kind of stacking so its hardly an "issue". Heck, theres more bubblers than smart pugs
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Gonna ignore your hatred issues, but the rest is a bit hyperbole. Just two days ago, I was on a Khan TF in which 6 players had at least Tactics and Maneuvers...as well as a Bubbler. On a PUG. Which was first come, first serve. Gotta say having a Defender running around with 117% Defense to all was funny as hell.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Freak
yes they are, BUT since few people take leadership (on a whole population basis) or stack to a ridiculous degree (since many teams NEED a Lamepathy/lolpaindom to function to any degree) its hardly an issue in any sense.
What Im saying is the majority of people playing this game are dumb, and Despite my Hatred of RO network....Most of them do these things that are 'broken' on a daily basis. Outside of them and my 4 friends....I never see this kind of stacking so its hardly an "issue". Heck, theres more bubblers than smart pugs |
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A good leader knows when to step aside, a bad leader doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
I mean, it's called "Leadership." This would imply that the character who takes the powers is the "leader." So a whole team of leaders? That'd be like herding cats.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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He's the one that takes the sniper round.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
A good leader knows when to step aside, a bad leader doesn't.
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And people laughed at me when I took Sniper Rifle... well, who's laughing now, eh, Johnny boy? Who's laughing NOW! |
Originally Posted by Starflier
He's the one that takes the sniper round.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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I was on a PUG on Virtue recently and while I have not had the room to fit the leadership pool in my build yet, 3 others had and that was still all kinds of awesome.
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So your one time anecdotal evidence is PROOF that every pug takes it?|
Originally Posted by Ignatz
Gonna ignore your hatred issues, but the rest is a bit hyperbole. Just two days ago, I was on a Khan TF in which 6 players had at least Tactics and Maneuvers...as well as a Bubbler. On a PUG. Which was first come, first serve. Gotta say having a Defender running around with 117% Defense to all was funny as hell.
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This hyperbole....i dont think it means what you think it means.
Oh they do in the most delishous of ways!
Best is with Soldiers of Archnos damn teh Advanced Leadership powers
combined with the Leadership Power Pool Set equal a most wonderous
Character to have in any team but add another person with those
leadership skills as well and then you are relly cooking with gas, I mean
damn it's making all my heard efferot and struggle to get my Hunts Man
(with a few Bane Powers) up to a reasonble Level 20.
I would agree they seem a ifish when soloing but once your teamed up
then those skills show there true worth and trust me it Priceless!
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It says leadership in Powerpool set but it dosen't mean only one in the team
can have them hell no the more you have in the team themore benifit the
whole team which is why having several Soldiers of archnos is an awsome
thing to have and I do hope to be able to take one iover to the hero side
come the releas eof Going Rouge.
Leadership is one my favorite Power Pools in the game..highly underrated for what it can accomplish on teams.
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