Why so much hate about the Mo Badges?

I really don't understand why so many people seem to dislike the Master Of X badges? I find them challenging tasks that require concentration, communication and teamwork. But its not that they are super hard to do. Yes, your just gonna be unlucky from time to time but thats no reason to hate the badge (or the people that have it).

So tell me, what do you Like or Dislike about the Master of X badges?

I havent heard much either way on either side. I would actually say they are liked/disliked almost equally. As far as they go, they are just a pain, but for the Badger; they must be gotten, and the pool of teammates to draw from is small no matter what the population of the game or Server.

I'm kinda on the fence about this one.

I like them because they are another challenge. I wouldn't mind if there was a "Mo" for every TF, though I admit it would be a pain in the neck to go back through them all to get the extra badge... so one or two added from time to time is probably better than all at once.

That having been said, I will offer the opposing viewpoint as well. Though the group of people I usually run with just likes to have fun together and we don't really take any failed attempts personally, it's not a typical scenario.

It seems that on the larger scale and many PuG attempts can end with hatred of the person who dies first, even if it's not even that person's fault. That person is sometimes harassed and kept out of any future attempts, especially if it happens more than once. People get uptight and freak out about little details that don't matter and/or things nobody has any control over.

Some people try to form teams with specific ATs and builds. They want you to be "IO'd out" or have other very specific qualities they are looking for.

That can make it very hard and stressful for some people to have fun playing through a Mo attempt, and people with non-optimal toons are sometimes left out completely.

Maye if the badge was awarded on an individual basis instead of being reliant on the rest of the team surviving as well, then somebody else dying would be their own fault, and they would be the only one losing out on the badge. Then again, that policy could be exploited for perma "venge-bait" and defeats the purpose of being awarded for working as a team to survive together.

In the end, I'm not wishing for more to be added, but if they arise... I'll happily step up to the challenge, and anybody is welcome to join me regardless of build or experience. With enough practice, any toon can get the badge eventually.

Havent seen any hate towards people with the Mo badge.

Seen people leave a TF becauses it a Mo, and people dread being the squishy on one. And often too much angst about it all imo.

All issues with the Mo badges, be it have or have not, stem from taking them too seriously.

I haven't heard anything about HATRED but I do agree with Master-Blade's assessment of the negative feelings about them. I was on one Master of STF run and we had a guy, can't even recall what AT he was, that had never done a STF before much less a Master. So first mission he gets a little lost and Poof there goes the challenge. SOoooooo the leader orders everyone out and we all quit the TF, reassemble and start all over. Amazingly the same guy managed to die in mission one again. So back out we go and start it all over again.

Well third try we make it through mission one okay. We did fine until we hit the Thorn Tree mission and 2 team mates, no the guy that died twice was not one of them, die and curses come over across my chat window from out illustrious leader. Now absolutely NO ONE wants to start over again at this point so it's decided we will push on and complete the TF for "THE PRACTICE" By the time we got to the last mission it was 1AM and a number of us had to go to work so we logged off for the night. The next day I logged on and discover from the friend that had gotten me involved in that mess that the TF has disbanded completely. Throughout the ordeal the leader was insulting, pushy and generally made everyone feel uncomfortable.

That was my first, last and only Master of... EVER! Several times the same friend has tried to get me back on MoSTFs and I have decilned. I don't log on to COH to be stressed out, insulted, bullyed or belittled and I have no desire to ever try another one again. I'm not saying that every leader of every Master of attempt is that way but that one experience was so nasty it soured me to the whole idea and I could care less if I never have one of those badges.

I'm also sure the "we need the perfectteam to succeed" type leaders have managed to turn of any number of players by refusing to allow players to join simply because they don't fit the "PLAN" for the team. I imagine other players have gotten tired and upset standing aroud doing nothing for 20 minutes or more while the leader search for that RAD/RAD or whatever "We have to have for this to work!" The fact is most people play games to have fun and relax and quite a few here on COH/V are mature adults that have real world commitment and can't stay on line till 2 or 3AM trying to complete a TF (Master run or not). The leaders that turn a TF into a chore are probably the ones that have caused some players to avoid or even hate those type and refuse to do them.

I've been excluded from joining countless "Master of" runs just on the basis that my badger is a Peacebringer, despite the fact that I typically never die when I'm not even playing seriously.

I have over 750 badges and the only "Master of" badge that I have is the ITF one because I am either outright excluded or when I am allowed in a run, somebody gets careless and dies.

(Which by the way it has never been me who died. I'm bringing this up to say that there was really nothing I could personally do to prevent those people from dying, not that I'm self-righteous or something.

Even reminding people to be careful and suggesting grouping locations to fight ambushes will get me called bossy.)

Love the badges, hate what they do to people.

- Not fond of folks being excluded by AT.
- Not fond of getting on a team and seeing someone go off on another teammate for dying.
- Sometimes fustrated when the tf itself is bugged for weeks. We can work around it but showstoppers are just disheartning.

And for the record, my daddy didn't raise no crybaby. I have every Master badge on both my corrupter and scrapper, a few additional Masters on alts I rarely play, and most of my friends have most of those badges... I'm just that sympathetic sort that feels bad when other people are rejected or mocked.

(( Yay, went in tonight with friends and folks from my sg channel.. Master of Lady Grey. We didn't stress terribly over who brought what, just that they bring their badgers. It was a lot of fun. I'll make a few notes in the LG thread. GL to you all <3. ))

Many of the MoSTF runs I've been on, we all agree at the start we're gonna finish no matter what, even if someone dies. I like tf runs for the inf/drops, getting a Master badge is just a bonus if we can do it.

One of my MoSTF runs even ended up unintended, the leader advertised as a normal STF and just set the conditions 'just in case, but don't feel any pressure about it, just have fun.'

While I tend to laugh at people who want badges then get upset when they put a new badge in the game (Master badges, skiing badges), I can kinda see why people are upset about it. Like mentioned above, it's only a source of grief if you let it be one to yourself.

I'm of the opinion if you play long enough, you'll get the badges. While I don't play as much any more, I still enjoy a good TF when I have time. I don't stress out about must have the badge now, I simply know sometime in the next year or two, if I run the TF long enough, I'll get on a team (or make my own) that does the master option and has the skill/luck to get it.

And if I don't, as long as the team is fun (which is usually is), who cares?

Too many people stress out when someone dies.

Too many people decide to give the person that dies nothing but harassment, especially if it wasn't their fault. Mission 2 of the ITF: ambushes that spawn when a cyst is destroyed can spawn down the tunnel and run to the party or they can spawn on top of the party or some of its members. So let's say an ambush spawns on top of someone and they can't get away from it and get killed, and then certain party members start gettting snarky either in Team chat or on their special TF channel. The person defends themselves from the snarkiness only to be booted from the aforementioned channel and future runs. Nice gestapo mentality.

Or someone would rather spend time loking for faults in others and accuse others of doing nothing when they may be victims of lag spikes or PC problems, so they get all uppity and harass the person. Not people I'd want to team with.

Some people would like to dissect other people's characters and then demand that other people will rebuild their toons to the star holders EXACTING specifications IMMEDIATELY or they will be banned from all future runs. Try again, precious. If any no talent, unskilled, arrogant primadonna thinks I or anyone else should burn a respec to satisfy their pathetic ego, they are sorely deluded.

Someone lags out, comes back dead.

Someone gets a case of terminal stupidity and does Leeeeeeeeroy Jenkins and charges with their squishy into a mob and gets killed. Or alternatively they decide they need to go afk and park their blaster where the Archnos Flyer is sure to see it and thus get blasted.

Sometimes an enemy delivers a lucky shot that does two damage types and manages to get past the "no one shot kill code". An unfortunate bit of luck there that can't be helped.

Or: "Oh you're on a Kheld you will never run with us, Khelds stink blah blah blah". Looks at my 6 khelds all with triple Mo.......guess they don't stink as much as some think. Still AT bigotry can discourage someone from playing.

The team NEEDS a stone brute/tank.......ok granted that granite armor is nice but it is possible to win a Mo with a non granite brute/tank.

The team NEEDS a specific AT/powerset......anyone that constantly demands a specific formula of AT's may need to rethink their plan

Any badge in the game that is so dependent on teamwork. kindness of others, skill of others, etc. needs to be rethought.

I would rather face an army of Kronos titans on my squishiest character stripped of all enhancers and debuffed then seek a new Mo badge.

I would rather be stripped of all flight/travel powers and face a fleet of Arachnos Flyers strafing me then seek a new Mo badge.

I would rather solo a Hami raid then seek a new Mo badge.

I would rather be on my squishiest character with no enhancers and debuffed facing all of the Giant Monsters at once then seek a new Mo badge.

I would rather be on my squishiest character with no enhancers and debuffed facing all of the INCARNATES then seek a new Mo badge.

I would rather spend time trying to tie Lusca's tentacles into bow knots then seek a new Mo badge.

I would rather watch Highlander 5: the Source which was worse then Highlander 2 then seek a new Mo badge.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Yeah, a lot of people have raised the points about why I don't often try for them. (Especially when it comes to the "we only want certain ATs with certain powers and bugger the rest of you.") With certain players I'll do it - not because of what character they're on, but because we're so used to each other's playstyle (and we know how to follow directions) that we're more likely to make it than not. My very first Statesman TF was an MoSTF attempt... and we made it. I was astounded (and had been terrified the entire time of dying because I thought they'd all hate me).

But generally, yeah, when our SG takes a crack at an Mo-, we agree that Mission 1, if there's a death, we'll generally start over. After that, we plow through so at least we get merits and salvage and inf and stuff, and agree to try again some other time.

Michelle
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Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

Wow.. All I can say after reading through the previous posts, is that I have never seen any of the negative behavior mentioned in this thread during any Master run.

*Never seen anyone excluded because of their AT, powersets, or not being IO'd.
*Never seen anyone get mocked or harassed because of a death.
*Never been on one that 'needed' the mythical perfect team, or wouldn't start without a Stone tank/brute or any other AT.

I think the problem comes from trying to run a MO with a PUG. Kind of counter-productive to the whole thing.

Most of the successes I've seen have come from organized runs. Someone will post a signup thread with a date on the forums, and those interested will post the AT and powersets they plan to bring. Usually, a minimum of a week is given, leaving the organizer time to figure out a basic strategy, instead of having to make it up as they go along.

I have seen a few PUGs do it, but usually, they don't.

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