Why so much hate about the Mo Badges?

I've explained what I have actually witnessed. If you or people you know haven't seen those reactions, then great for you.

I'm tired of trying to explain the actions of the idiots that make getting these badges the worst part of the game. Suffice it to say that I am relating actual observed behavior and that is why I hate these badges.

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i agree with Pumbumbler

Mo runs can be sped or taken slowly (i got MoITF badge in like 1 hour and MoBSF in 4.5 hours)

when i did the MoBSF, i PuG'd it getting a team of 5 together, and the only melee toon we had was a dark/dark brute who never ran the sf before, the only thing i made sure we had before we started was a debuffer of some sorts since we only had 5 poeple, i think leading a master run is a little stressful trying to build strategy and stuff, but just running a Mo run isnt too stressful as long as you are a little more careful than normal and stick to the plan the leader decides to go with

Snow Globe, I get that you've had bad experiences with these badges and that's unfortunate.

Still, it's neither accurate nor reasonable to broadly label them as "community breaking".

For the record, I say that as someone who couldn't care less about the Mo badges. I've played for a while now but up until very recently, didn't have any on a single character. If there was someone making inaccurate and misleading broad statements about how fantastic the Mo badges are, I'd be calling them on that too.

This is one player who doesn't hate Master of badges at all, but distinctly enjoy the 'raised stakes' of the no deaths, no temp power settings. I get that there are proponents vehemently against any master badge and can even understand the arguments brought to bare. But seriously, Silas has it right, some folks seem to be way too worked up over them.

I view the master badges as challenges and enjoy helping folks get them. I usually enjoy grouping with folks who are less experienced and sometimes thats a great way to add to your global friends list. Its also a way to find out who not to group with as well.

There is a global channel ("STF Masters") devoted for recruitment toward Master of runs on Protector which I'll add, seems to trend toward bottom third (maybe quarter) of server populations.

I'm definitely one who hopes the devs continue adding Master of badges to the game.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience Snow Globe.

As a fellow badger, I sympathize with you on getting those badges that require setups that are, shall we say, out of our personal control.

Protector is also my main server, like others here.

I guess we're luckier than average, since I got to run both the MoKTF and MoSTF on the same evening, with the same players on the team for both runs. As a matter of fact, we have a small group of knowledgeable players that runs these almost weekly.

From what I know, they go by first come, first serve" so team makeup is secondary to strategy and tactics. It's rather unfortunate that you've met with such frustration.

If I was in your shoes, I wonder if I wouldn't react similarly.

But given our past experience re: Master runs, I rather enjoy running these as well and hope to get more in the future.

Actually, if you ask me, lower populated servers are usually much more friendly than the broader ones.

I don't mean that like the large server's are mean, but if you don't have a set group of friends, people can be very impersonal. Like you're just another of the 1000's.

Whereas a smaller community that is structured, it has an "everyone-knows-everyone" mentality. So being rude or hateful isn't something you'll be able to get away with easily.

I'd imagine most of the strife happens on the medium level servers. Where finding a team is just hard enough, and being rude is just anonymous enough.

I mean lets face it. While CoH may have the best MMO community I've ever seen as a whole, it is still an MMO and 'those' kinds of people are still going to show their ugly faces.

Snow Globe, your examples of "community breaking" behaviour lead me to two conclusions.

1: Any community so fragile as to be broken by mundane MMO idiocy and elitism can't be said to be a very strong community at all.

2: If these behaviours you've experienced are representative of your entire community, I'd find another community to play with.

Now, having reached these conclusions I can go one of two ways. Either that your server is somehow the worst community ever...or...that you've had bad experiences, are sour about the whole thing and are making generalizations as a result.

One strikes me as much more likely than the other.

I don't want to dismiss your experiences with Mo badges and I do want a discussion. It is to precisely that end that I would have you to discard this "community-breaking" label because it's not productive.

You want to discuss the pros and cons of this badge, great. That's something I can get on board about and discuss. You want to discuss the positive and/or negative behaviours associated with this badge and having or not having it? Again, totally on board with that.

But 1: labelling the badge as "community-breaking" strikes me as pouting hyperbole and is unconstructive and 2: suggesting that anyone who does not share your experiences has simply forgotten them is, as Panzerwaffen says, intellectually lazy.

I love the Challenge of Masters run, play em on Triumph and have helped several Triumphites who were despairing of actually getting the badges to get them.

I don't get to see the bad attitudes that Snow reports whilst on the same server, buts I am sure that's because we recruit in different ways. Most of the Masters attempts I play are pre-arranged with a majority of the team being SG/Coalition crowd of reliable players.

Teams are usually balanced before starting, and by playing slow we get it done.

One particular memorable even in the vine room, was listening to a player cursing as the battery went out on their keyboard and they started auto running towards the tree.

That one was a failure, but we got a huge laugh out of it.

So yeah I like em as Badges, and would like to see more (though not always no deaths no temps as the settings, other TFs could be more interesting with other settings)

Personally I have distaste for them as I am an empath within TF's. I rarely ever like doing much else. And well I see Mo TF's as.. if someone dies, the blame instantly goes to the empath for letting that person die.

And I hate feeling responsible for a failed Mo-Attempt, really gets to me. aha.

If everything you have ever done since the start of CoX is healing... really gets to you, kinda.

Ill be back soon whilest I go rock back and forth in the corner.

I agree with most of the above. I am on the fence with the badges. Can be very easy for the perfect team makeup, who all know how to play and follow directions. Others its very hard too even find a team. I have done many successful runs and failures on different AT's.

When you fail you fail no big deal, sometimes you might scream out to yourself, but hey what can you do.

The best thing to do is find others who have the same goal in mind and join up eventually you will do it. Me and the wife did this and we found a great group of players, that we still play with. We were able to do the MOSTF run with a very crazy mix of AT's now doing the same on a MORSF.

If anyone ever needs help on one of these on Freedom server especially Hero side look me up I have a stone tank and cold defender that can help out anytime I'm on.

I don't like this myth about perfect teams. I've completed all kinds of things with ragtag last minute teams. Heck the first MoLGTF was in no way hand picked. We all just brought what we wanted to play and one player had to switch toons to solidify the team. One of the defenders didn't even have any enhancements (which we didn't find out till the last mission). If people learn to play multiple toons and have a group first attitude almost any team can be a perfect team.

I dislike them because I don't personally know enough people who are interested in running one to get on a MO attempt with people I know. Which means I have to rely on PuGs and sign-up attempts, which allow anyone who signs up as long as the "essentials" are covered. These attempts are few and far between, so the failure stings even more, since it may be weeks before I can try again.

I do get ticked off when people die on that stupid tree. I can't count the times I've failed an MoSTF attempt because that one squishy couldn't understand the simple concept of "hug the wall." Random mistakes, brain farts, events outside the players' control, those I can shrug away, but tree aggro is extremely easy to avoid, you know this is a common failure point, you have no excuse.