Hating the new market interface so far...
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AgentMountaineer,
Posted on: 2010-05-04 18:46 in The Market and Inventions
Ah, well that's something at least... one minor irritation down. only about 2 dozen left.
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The number "Bidding" and "For Sale" are shown in the lower/tabbed section now also.|
Originally Posted by Fulmens
They've fixed at least one complaint- as of this morning, "Other" shows up first in the list for recipes and enhancements.
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Thanks Devs for making a little progress toward a friendlier U/I
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Bah! Correction: Persistent bids still exist.
I didn't check all of the conditions earlier.
Repeat Offenders
One tip that folks may find helpful when listing sales.
I list my stuff from the Stored tab, and I start at the bottom of the list
and work my way up to the top.
I think that one of the reasons folks may be getting listing prices on the
wrong item is that the UI shuffles things around when an item changes
"categorys" (ie. from Stored to Selling).
I find that working from bottom upwards helps me avoid that problem.
Regards,
4
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
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For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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Thanks. That is a good idea. I had gotten to the point when on Virtue (which seems to experience market lag beyond belief while the other servers don't have the same problem) to sit on the sold/bought when trying to claim my inf/items.
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
One tip that folks may find helpful when listing sales.
I list my stuff from the Stored tab, and I start at the bottom of the list and work my way up to the top. I think that one of the reasons folks may be getting listing prices on the wrong item is that the UI shuffles things around when an item changes "categorys" (ie. from Stored to Selling). I find that working from bottom upwards helps me avoid that problem. Regards, 4 |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Yup. I do the same on both Virtue and Freedom.|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Thanks. That is a good idea. I had gotten to the point when on Virtue (which seems to experience market lag beyond belief while the other servers don't have the same problem) to sit on the sold/bought when trying to claim my inf/items.
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It's the only sure way that I can tell that something has moved.
I would reaaaaally love some kind of flashing tab feature.
Probably sounds goofy, but the increment or decrement of the tab number (e.g., going from "BIDDING(4)" to "BIDDING(5)") just doesn't catch my eye.
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I finally started properly testing the new market interface, as I had to buy IO's for my lvl 50 tank.
And I must say it's the worst new thing CoH has ever seen.
-Way too laggy and slow. When I enter a name for search, it takes up to 4 seconds after I finish typing for the word to apper. Argh, annoying beyond belief.
-Autofilling the price. Why?! I have never put two items up for sale in row that had the same price. It just causes mistakes. Remove it now.
-The vertical list is worse than the old horizontal one. Fits less items in one screenful.
-Can't filter searches by clicking the categories.
-Bidding is very unresponsive. Enter the price, click bid. Umm did it bid? I guess not. Click again. Oh now I'm bidding for two items. Arrgh.
-Asking me every single time if I really want to sell some white salvage is annoying. Make it an option that sticks.
-Asking me every single time if I really want to sell an expensive item is annoying too. Make it an option that sticks. Yeah I know there's a toggle for that but the game forgets it if you log out.
None of the updates have worked. It's worse in every single way than the previous one. And you can see it in item prices. Nobody uses the Market anymore, just too annoying. The lag alone is enough to drive us bonkers.
The best fix would be giving us the option to use the old system and scrap the new one. As of now, I'm sticking with vendors and SO's.
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I think these two items might be at your end or something to do with your connection. It responds instantly for me.|
Originally Posted by Flyman
-Way too laggy and slow. When I enter a name for search, it takes up to 4 seconds after I finish typing for the word to apper. Argh, annoying beyond belief.
-Bidding is very unresponsive. Enter the price, click bid. Umm did it bid? I guess not. Click again. Oh now I'm bidding for two items. Arrgh. |
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| -Autofilling the price. Why?! I have never put two items up for sale in row that had the same price. It just causes mistakes. Remove it now. |
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-Can't filter searches by clicking the categories. -Asking me every single time if I really want to sell some white salvage is annoying. Make it an option that sticks. -Asking me every single time if I really want to sell an expensive item is annoying too. Make it an option that sticks. Yeah I know there's a toggle for that but the game forgets it if you log out. |
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I experience severe market lag at times too while other things utilizing the internet show no indication of lag. Not all the time, mind you, but I doubtful it's merely a connection issue, especially given plenty of others reporting market lag and items 'bouncing back'.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
I think these two items might be at your end or something to do with your connection. It responds instantly for me.
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The interface itself lags for me almost all the time.
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Originally Posted by Necrotron_RO
I experience severe market lag at times too while other things utilizing the internet show no indication of lag. Not all the time, mind you, but I doubtful it's merely a connection issue, especially given plenty of others reporting market lag and items 'bouncing back'.
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The interface lags horribly for me, too, in some aspects. It's worst if I'm trying to delete text in the search box. It literally takes a second per keypress, and whatever's behind the UI goes into freezeframe, updating in time with the text box. This didn't happen for me in the old UI.
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I finally can tolerate the wretched thing except for the horrible lag that seems to often occur only on Virtue. I really hate clicking 5-10 times to get the market to take or give me my things.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I've managed to avoid the lag so far, thankfully.
But it really is worthless for anything but crafting and selling IOs.
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(shrug)
Now that I've gotten used to the layout, it doesn't seem any less convenient than the old interface to me. And it doesn't freeze up my system every time I open the market.
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Rofl
Edit give it a few months and they will cry to the heavens at the thought of changes
I still have a tiny bit of rage every time I have to click to move from "number of IO's desired' to "price" instead of tabbing. And a bit more when it tries to sell 10 bits of salvage for 171,000,908 each. (Yeah. they're PURPLE salvage!)
I've gotten VERY used to "put recipe in market/find/find salvage", though.
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No, at least some of us who are more familiar with UI design will maintain til the end of time that there are many, glaring flaws w/the current UI. They may start fixing them gradually at which time our complaints may cease (and you'll likely point out incorrectly that you were right all along), but there are many inefficiencies in the current design that should embarrass any experienced software engineer. That we've gotten good at working around the inefficiencies doesn't say jack about the quality of the underlying design.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Rofl
Edit give it a few months and they will cry to the heavens at the thought of changes |
Was the old UI also flawed? Hell yes, but not as much as the current design, which isn't w/o its positives, and we've all pointed them out, but the negatives still outweigh them, and by quite a bit.
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There's really no point in discussing/debating anything with him. You're wasting your time. You'd have better luck teaching a rock to fly while singing.
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Originally Posted by dave_p
No, at least some of us who are more familiar with UI design will maintain til the end of time that there are many, glaring flaws w/the current UI. They may start fixing them gradually at which time our complaints may cease (and you'll likely point out incorrectly that you were right all along), but there are many inefficiencies in the current design that should embarrass any experienced software engineer. That we've gotten good at working around the inefficiencies doesn't say jack about the quality of the underlying design.
Was the old UI also flawed? Hell yes, but not as much as the current design, which isn't w/o its positives, and we've all pointed them out, but the negatives still outweigh them, and by quite a bit. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Would that be the rock singing while flying, or you singing while teaching the rock to fly? One is harder than the other. 
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That would be the rock singing. I figure if you had trained a rock to sing you ought to be happy but then you had to go for broke to have it learn to fly and sing at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Occult
Would that be the rock singing while flying, or you singing while teaching the rock to fly? One is harder than the other.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Originally Posted by dave_p
No, at least some of us who are more familiar with UI design will maintain til the end of time that there are many, glaring flaws w/the current UI. They may start fixing them gradually at which time our complaints may cease (and you'll likely point out incorrectly that you were right all along), but there are many inefficiencies in the current design that should embarrass any experienced software engineer. That we've gotten good at working around the inefficiencies doesn't say jack about the quality of the underlying design.
Was the old UI also flawed? Hell yes, but not as much as the current design, which isn't w/o its positives, and we've all pointed them out, but the negatives still outweigh them, and by quite a bit. |
My typical response to the above would normally be "Have you designed anything I might have actually used ?" In this case the answer really doesn't matter even if you were Doug Engelbart I would still say you were overlooking the obvious.
The market interface has been made consistent with other interfaces in the game. The tab system across the top is the same as the recipe category system and the salvage system, the expanding tree view is the same as the recipe system, the vertical scrolling which seems to provoke such ire is exactly what is used in virtually every window in the game, be it your email window, your recipes, your salvage or your badges, and the dual scrolling panels in the stores. The new interface is also resizable as just about every other interface in the game is.
The old market interface point of fact was very much inconsistent with the rest of the game. The new interface introduces a higher level of consistency in look and feel.
Then there are the complaints about the new interface
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| With the previous interface, you could enter numerous bids quite quickly and set up a number of sales just as quickly. |
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| New market hurts my brain. |
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| I bid wrong/sokd wrong |
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| iggest irritant is that apparently we can no longer search by categories of items.This one is driving me crazy. If I click on Recipes, all it does is fill the Search window with the word Recipes. |
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| It IS bf-ugly in terms of looks - yuck.. |
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| It requires more input to achieve the same results as the old interface. |
I can keep going, I could even start countering with quotes by people that like the new interface, that there are such people seems to be a fact that wooshes over the heads of the repeat posters in this thread. Or I could go into the stupidity of some the arguments in this thread " I have lots of stuff in the game your opinion doesn't count on this" then "Oh you have more stuff that doesn't matter", "I earn rewards quickly, this only took me 60,000 minutes". In the end there is still no arguing about taste, its just that the people who this doesn't appeal to are hardly the only ones playing the game and I doubt they are even in the majority.
Ah well perhaps they just feel a sense of entitlement to being able to get what they want while others don't
A_F
There are far more legitimate complaints about the interface in this thread...you just cherry picked the nonsensical ones.....good job
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Generally that's a good thing, sure. But consistency shouldn't regress usability. You fit the tool to the job, not the job to the tool.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
The market interface has been made consistent with other interfaces in the game.
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| Never happened with the old one /sarcasm |
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| Looks at that expanding tree view on the left of the interface where everything is now not only properly sorted but you can actually have the space to read the full names. |
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I am pretty sure that is standard operating procedure for a certain type of inTeRnet pOsting LoLer that many have lumped him under the category of.
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Originally Posted by Frogfather
A_F
There are far more legitimate complaints about the interface in this thread...you just cherry picked the nonsensical ones.....good job |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
They've fixed at least one complaint- as of this morning, "Other" shows up first in the list for recipes and enhancements.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.