Issue 19: Incarnates
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-03-27 09:03 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Well, there's a certain class of player who will never stop chasing Icarnate levels, no matter how tiny the actual gameplay bonus is.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But don't forget that these 10 levels are the start of the Incarnate system - as more levels are added, there's going to come a point when Incarnate players are either going to stop using the system because it's giving such tiny, pointless boosts, or they're going to become too powerful for the current highest difficulty setting.
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I think they might be wanting the new system to appeal to a slightly larger section of the playerbase |
Originally Posted by Silver Gale
Well, there's a certain class of player who will never stop chasing Icarnate levels, no matter how tiny the actual gameplay bonus is.
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@Golden Girl
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The start will be 1 Incarnate level, the 2nd wave will be 9 more Incarnate levels. You say that I don't have faith in the developers. Yes, I don't believe that they would be so overpowered that the rest of the game needs to be redesigned. It will be an improvement. However, like Purple and PVP IOs, I would say that having a character fully "Incarnated" wouldn't break the game.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But don't forget that these 10 levels are the start of the Incarnate system - as more levels are added, there's going to come a point when Incarnate players are either going to stop using the system because it's giving such tiny, pointless boosts, or they're going to become too powerful for the current highest difficulty setting.
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Yes. But there also might be new content that might be tailored for Incarnates.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
The start will be 1 Incarnate level, the 2nd wave will be 9 more Incarnate levels. You say that I don't have faith in the developers. Yes, I don't believe that they would be so overpowered that the rest of the game needs to be redesigned. It will be an improvement. However, like Purple and PVP IOs, I would say that having a character fully "Incarnated" wouldn't break the game.
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I also think GG is right that the system won't stop at just 10.
If it works, is fun, is easy to balance, I can easily see them adding more.
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More than likely we'll come across a divine creature we need to defeat and capture. Then that divine creature's power will be ours, which will allow us to capture the next divine creature and it's power.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, there's also an interesting quote from Postiron from PAX, where he said "the Incarnate system itself, at the start, is going to be 10 levels" - which sounds like future expanison will bring even more Icarnate levels.
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Gotta catch 'em all!
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I really want to know what the new zone events involve - like now |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
More than likely we'll come across a divine creature we need to defeat and capture. Then that divine creature's power will be ours, which will allow us to capture the next divine creature and it's power.
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@Golden Girl
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Once again, you pretend like you have inside knowledge, as though you're a Developer or as though they confide in you.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But don't forget that these 10 levels are the start of the Incarnate system - as more levels are added, there's going to come a point when Incarnate players are either going to stop using the system because it's giving such tiny, pointless boosts, or they're going to become too powerful for the current highest difficulty setting.
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Until they come out and STATE that there will be more than 10 Levels, then you're purely speculating.
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Like Positron at PAX presentation yesterday saying "the Incarnate system itself, at the start, is going to be 10 levels"?
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Originally Posted by Kheldarn
Once again, you pretend like you have inside knowledge, as though you're a Developer or as though they confide in you.
Until they come out and STATE that there will be more than 10 Levels, then you're purely speculating. |
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It's still speculation.
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And can you guarantee that it will go beyond 10 Levels, if testing/data mining shows that it would be detrimental to the game? No, you can't. So, at this time, the only hard facts we have are:|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Like Positron at PAX presentation yesterday saying "the Incarnate system itself, at the start, is going to be 10 levels"?
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1) The "Incarnate System" is the End Game Content.
2) The Incarnate System will launch with Going Rogue, and allow access to 1 Level of Incarnate.
3) Issue 19 will bring 9 more Levels of Incarnate.
4) Going Rogue is required to partake in the Incarnate System.
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Wow. I read through that live blog and there is some great stuff in there.
Incarnates System
Defenders More solo friendly.
Kinetic Melee
Electric Control
Base and IoP love coming down the line
Staff use coming down the line.
Four Confirmed Zones for Praetoria.
And there was other stuff I can't remember, but damn the hits keep coming and I'm excited! It's getting to be a great time to be a fan of this game.
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Wait, so they wait months and then release a 3 issue offensive at us (on the weekend the clocks change this side so my bodyclock is all broken and unsynced) with tonnes of new features?*
Marketing (bless their black and shrivelled hearts) are even more ebil than I thought!
Now the question becomes which side of the pond am I going to get Going Rogue with? The EU side where I've a few 50s and lots of 40s or my new US side?*
Am I the only one here to suspect some connection between Incarnates and signature powers? Like, get your first incarnate level and start designing your signature power? (I'm mostly suspecting this for the first incarnate level we get with GR)
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The fact of the matter is, we don't know what Incarnate levels will do.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But don't forget that these 10 levels are the start of the Incarnate system - as more levels are added, there's going to come a point when Incarnate players are either going to stop using the system because it's giving such tiny, pointless boosts, or they're going to become too powerful for the current highest difficulty setting.
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Will they directly buff stats (damage, resistance, defense, etc.)?
Will they be add-on power sets (like APPs/VPPs)?
Will each "Incarnate level" give us X many points to buy things from a list?
Will they require things besides XP, and will those things influence what we get out of the Incarnate levels?
We don't know.
It could be that GR and I19 will give us a total of 10 Incarnate levels, and the "rest of" (as opposed to the "start of") the Incarnate system will be to add a wider range of Incarnate abilities that we can buy. Or new events to earn Incarnate levels. Or....
We just don't know.
And until we do, the whole back and forth of "No, this is how it's going to be" and "Nuh uh!" is pretty much pointless. When the devs want to give us more information, that's great. But don't get all wound up in one direction, hoping that's how it's going to be.
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Nope, you're not, this is what I was thinking too, funny it took 12 pages to come up.
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Originally Posted by xhris
Am I the only one here to suspect some connection between Incarnates and signature powers? Like, get your first incarnate level and start designing your signature power? (I'm mostly suspecting this for the first incarnate level we get with GR)
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Why not both? |
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Now the question becomes which side of the pond am I going to get Going Rogue with? The EU side where I've a few 50s and lots of 40s or my new US side?*
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@Golden Girl
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I have no idea what the devs have planned for this incarnate system. The more I consider it, the more I just smirk.
However it turns out, Bill Z Bubba will continue to be min/maxed to hell and back and continue leaving a path destruction where ever he does roam.
Power creep took over this game a while back and I see no change in course. I fully expect that come 2 months after I-19 goes live, I'll be able to drop Bill into an aggro cap of +4/x8 arachnos and go have a cigarette.
Be well, people of CoH.
One intriguing thing that was mentioned in that video, is that the Incrnates system can be used to obtain rewards for your alts.
I wonder what that could be?
Always remember, we were Heroes.
Seems like the last couple years of the influx of resources is about to drop some huge payloads on us.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Was there ever any doubt? |
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Seems like the last couple years of the influx of resources is about to drop some huge payloads on us.
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I think i know how you feel there, my main (Hero) 'Omni-Nogard' a Ice/Fire tank with 40% Def to S/L(not done slotting at this time) would love more Dmg/AoE. |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I have no idea what the devs have planned for this incarnate system. The more I consider it, the more I just smirk.
However it turns out, Bill Z Bubba will continue to be min/maxed to hell and back and continue leaving a path destruction where ever he does roam. Power creep took over this game a while back and I see no change in course. I fully expect that come 2 months after I-19 goes live, I'll be able to drop Bill into an aggro cap of +4/x8 arachnos and go have a cigarette. |
Plus there's my Fav Concept toon 'Action Star' MA/Regen who can adapt to just about anything Concept wise.
So I'm looking forward to how the Incarnate System works for all ATs.
Going to miss the fun and nice people here at CoH. Feel free to add me on PS3/XBox360
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You won't be able to if they're incarnate arachnos |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I have no idea what the devs have planned for this incarnate system. The more I consider it, the more I just smirk.
However it turns out, Bill Z Bubba will continue to be min/maxed to hell and back and continue leaving a path destruction where ever he does roam. Power creep took over this game a while back and I see no change in course. I fully expect that come 2 months after I-19 goes live, I'll be able to drop Bill into an aggro cap of +4/x8 arachnos and go have a cigarette. |
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I'm hoping the Incarnate Abilities can be used even when exemped.
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Yeah - that Zeus lightning strike that Statesman uses would come in handy for dealing with Frostfire |
Originally Posted by Clouded
I'm hoping the Incarnate Abilities can be used even when exemped.
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EDIT: If they do plan on the making the Incarnate system a sort of parallel 1-50 levels, then I think if you exemped to, say, level 13, then you'd get to use scaled versions of you first 13 Incarnate levels.
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