PvP and Badge Hunting Just Don't Mix

Ok, so I'm pvping in RV and come across a group of heroes at a pill box, I start calling targets and get a tell:

(the name has been changed)

[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: plz go away
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: dude i said plz
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: if it wasn't me it would have been somebody else
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: not trying to be a d**k, just pvping
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: well then go take down someone else plz
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: kinda rude when you do it someone who is trying to get AVs
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: this is a pvp zone, i come here knowing i can and probably will be attacked
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: same but when ppl are doing AVs i consider it rude
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: one thing if you sit there and buff AVs but kill everyone?
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: huh? this is s a pvp zone. the pill boxes were designed to be fought over
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: jsut attack ppl who are here to PVP
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: attacking people in a pvp zone is totally legit any way you look at it. as long as you don't break the rules all is good.
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: I come to pvp zones to pvp and if you expect to come here to badge hunt and not get attacked you're dreaming.
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: theres even a warning when you enter
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: its rude however not saying it is ilegal its like umm taking the last cookie out of the cookie jar when you knew someone wanted it
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: not even the same
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: yes it is
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: its like telling me how to eat my cookie
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: whatever dude i asked you plz stop attacking us wont you get Pd if someone did that to you when you really wanted a bage
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: no I wouldn't. i want recipes. why is what you want better than what i want? i would get annoyed if someone expected me to stop trying to get recipes because what they wanted was more important than what i want
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: omg
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: you are not seeing the piont
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: there ppl here that want to fight at the hero entracne
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: ppl who are taking pillboxes want the AV
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: i dont think you are seeing the point, you're setting up some made up code of conduct that you expect everyone to follow. im here to pvp not follow made up rules
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: just asking you to attack them
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: ugh whatever you are not seeing my piont we can sit here and aruge all day not going to get us anywhere i asked you plz to attack ppl who WANT TO PVP and yes i know there is a warning i am not blind...
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: like i said if it wasn't me it would have been someone else. you did notice that other people were attacking you also right?
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: yes but you are the only person repeatly attack me and teammates
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: some ppl werent as mean when i asked them too
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: umm ok, not like my teammates were attacking also
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: the stalker on my team most of the kills
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: really cause pipper blaster said that you kept trying to TP him
[Tell] -->Fire Kinetics Troller: really? cause none of my toons have tp foe
[Tell] Fire Kinetics Troller: done arguing on ignore for you

Ok, so from what I understand the pillboxes in RV were designed to be fought over. The whole purpose of the zone is to pvp while taking over the zone in the process. It didnt exactly work out as planned but thats the idea behind RV.

Personally I think as long as we didn't break any rules its all fun and games. I wasn't trying to grieve just PvP. This guy didn't seem to think so and I'm interested to see what others think about it.

So do you think I'm a jerk for PvPing in a PvP zones and not letting this guy get his badges, or just playing the game the way it was designed to be played? Should we have let them cake walk through it or do what we did and made them work for the badge?

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Neither of you are at fault...

You were just doing what the zone was designed for, he was there for the 'lure in the PvEr into PvP badges'. The Giant monster level AVs in RV are incredibly annoying with the new PvP settings as well since there is no 'mez protection' anymore just mez resistance.

The fault here lies with the devs for having PvE mechanics which reward badges in a PvP zone. Badges for capturing Pillboxes...sure, Badges for controlling heavies...fine, badges for having to beat down a GM level foe while still trying to PvP...very, very bad idea.

You were using the zone for its intended purpose. Nothing wrong with that.

Entering a PvP Zone and expecting a non pvp session is just illogical.

Goes both ways, however. if there are other people there to pvp then why not fight them instead of fighting someone/some people who dont tend to fight back?

tbh i have to be one sided here for a moment mainly because i think its lack of respec if people are there knowingly after badges/avs and dont intend to pvp and the pvpers still have a go at them.
(but that is going on the bases that there are other pvpers in the zone at the time besides the badgers.)

I know the zone is for "pvp" and you were doing what is meant to be done, but pvpers need to give abit of leave way to those after badges that isnt easy to get.

you could always ask to fight afterwards.?
however in my view, if we're not fighting the AV at the time/waiting/on the way to on and i get killed there..i dont mind as long as thats tht. i hate it when they kill u over n over especially when ur fighting a av thats very rude in my eyes.

but then it does come down to pvping...lets face it not everyone likes to pvp others like to badge hunt. while the rules are somewhat broke...people need to give abit of room when dealing with badge hunters and same when dealing with pvpers.

I blame the devs for putting things of value to PvE players in PvP zones. There really shouldn't be. I know they're trying to lure players into PvP, but that's a stupid idea that's never going to work. It will only ever result in conflict of this nature.

Well, obviously you can just go there in the wee hours of the morning, or not go there at all... But ultimately it remains a horrible design decision to put things like shivans and nukes and badges in PvP zones. PvP and PvE should be completely separate without the slightest overlap, and nothing that a PvEer might need should ever be located in a PvP zone. Anything less than this will always result in rage on one or both sides.

so for Euro side for example: If you want the badges there, without hassle is to what? sort out a time with people and do that at 3am/4am plzzzz g%d no. alot of the teams are also pugs so why should do people have to do something to suit a few amount of people while screwing themselves?

no a rant or flame starter just pointing that fact out.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis Truth is, in a PVP zone, PVP-based rewards trump PVE-based rewards. A PVE player can go anywhere in the game to get PVE rewards. The only place to get (most) PVP rewards is PVP zones (plus a very small amount in the Arena).

Actually thats no true considering the drop rate of the pvp rewards. Plus PVE'rs cant get the badges for the RV avs/Heroes anywhere else either.

Personally I'd be MORE than happy for them to strip the RV heroes/villains of their badges and give them to any spawn of that hero in any other mission. Any defeat of Mynx nets you her special badge, collect them all and you get the accolade.

But hey, what do I know, when I suggested stripping out all the NPC mobs from PvP zones someone went "you would ruin my farming!" Yes because farming is the key point of PvP zones...not...you know...PvP...which is what the zones should be there for not for someone to farm (despite the fact there are far better places to farm in the game especially with the new difficulty options).

Seriously strip out all the PvE stuff from PvP zones except the exploration badges. The enemy mobs, The nukes, the Shivans, the AV/Hero badges, everything.

Trying to lure PvE people into a PvP zone NEVER works, it just annoys both parties, one because the large majority of people coming into the zone aren't there to PvP and the other because they just want to get their Shivans/nukes/badges and get out again.

I expect to hear cries of, "but that would kill PvP!" Would it...now you've got a pure PvP experience, nobody would ever moan at you, send you tell asking you to stop PvPing, everybody in those zones would be there for one purpose and one purpose only...to PvP.

If the lack of PvE people being lured into PvP zones actually did kill PvP stone dead...well then PvP wasn't going to stand up on it's own anyway...and if it really isn't worth the time, turn the zones into competative PvE zones with their own storyline, trainers and stores, leave the Arena for the few remaining dedicated PvPers. However I doubt that stripping all the PvE elements out of PvP zones would kill it...

I would agree with moving PVE rewards out of the PVP zones, but I wouldn't agree with removing them entirely.

Note that without the PVP "threat" (which admittedly can easily be avoided by going at weird times of day/night), the likelihood is that some of the PVP goodies would be drastically reduced (e.g. PVE-rewarded Shivans and Nukes would probably seriously decrease in power).

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I honestly wouldn't mind seeing the nukes and shivans decreased in power if they were moved to PvE rewards from a repeatable PvE task because, as you said, it would only be fair due to the removal of the PvP threat.

Cut the nuke buffs/debuffs/damage in half and reduce the Shivan from an Elite Boss down to a Boss (you can already get a repeatable boss summon from flashbacking to one of the Striga arcs so there is a precedent for it). That still makes them fairly significant, especially as a team of 8 is MORE likely to have them if they're PvE rewards than they are with the current version.

I did not say to remove PvP zones entirely but merely strip out everything PvE related (that includes the non-base guarding NPCs except the base turrets in RV) so people have absolutely no excuse to say "but I was only in there to get badges/farm!" because there would be nothing in there to farm and the only badges to get would be the exploration badges or the PvP focused badges (which capturing Pill boxes and controlling Heavies would come under since they are part of the PvP 'game' of that zone)...which are fairly easy to get even with a roving band of PvPers around.

Is that a bit overboard? Perhaps but it would show whether PvP zones were enough to stand on their own two feet without anybody being lured in there by other means, a pure PvP experience, which, I assume, is what all the PvPers want yes?

I hate to say it, but it's things like this that give the PvP community the reputation of being jerks. Yes, he was in a PvP zone and it's not against the rules to attack him. You would have done well to not argue with him over what is allowed, but just said "Ok, once the AVs are down, I'll be back." He would have been happy and you wouldn't have to deal with an argument like that.

I've always thought that having PvE things in the PvP zones was a bad idea. I understand that the Devs wanted to give people a reason to go there, but all it does is lead to people getting pissed off. It doesn't get the PvEers to PvP.

Well, I don't see the point of them attacking the same obvious PvE'er over and over, as you need a cool down between killing the same person to even get a chance at a PvP IO recipe when you do kill them.

That said, I've gone to the PvP zones strictly for the badges. I took my risks going in.

And nothing in the PvP zones is needed by a PvE'er. At least hero side...there's nothing you can get there, that will help you in the PvE game when it comes to badges.

I think hero side has some exploration badges to obtain there...but the taking out of the Heroes/Villains gives you nothing but a badge.

That's badger vs PvP, not PvE vs PvP, and just think, there's badges for PvPing!

As someone that doesn't like to PvP, I don't think the persons request was not reasonable. If the game rules were followed, then why should one person hold back on their preferred game play in the zone set aside for it?

Most people know there is a risk to going to a PvP zone and should be willing to accept it. If they can't, then they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Maybe the devs put it in a PvP zone to enhance the difficulty. Making it harder to get or requiring a bigger group. If I were going there for that reason, I know I would take more people to stand guard duty. I would never dream of asking them to stop, I would rather just come back, or go without.

I could see someone not attacking if it were a required mission to advance in the game.

Then again, I might just be used to other games where PvP is a risk you have to take, even as a strict PvEer. But it sure does add some exitement.

It's all about risk vs reward. Seems risk won this one.

Know what pisses me off?

When I'm running around the Rogue Isles, kidnapping and pillaging and burning houses down and all that fun stuff, and some punk decides I need to fight him in the arena and he keeps bothering me until I decide to put him on ignore.

I think we can all agree that person is a ******. If he wants to PvP so bad, well, there's PvP zones for that!

And that's basically what the Fire/Kin in the OP's post did. Telling someone who's doing stuff in a PvE zone to come do some PvP is unreasonable, but so is asking someone in a PvP zone not to do PvP stuff.

The 8th and final rule, if this is your first night at PvP Club you have to PvP.