Discussion: Two Ways to Get Going Rogue
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Posted on: 2010-02-18 17:09 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Ok what I see is:
1. Only the pre live versions of GR (Expansion) will get the option to get the item pack (for a further fee) at GR's live date (July) and early access to the powersets.
2. The GR (Expansion) from GR's live date will be standard versions.
3. GR (Complete) will always include the item pack but as it will only be launched at GR's live date there will be no chance of early access, however you will get an additional month of game time for buying it.
Quoting Avatea:
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Complete Collection Item Pack For those who prepurchase the separate City of Heroes Going Rogue expansion, but also want the Complete Collection Item Pack, starting on launch day in July, we will offer an upgrade to the Complete Collection. The upgrade will include the Complete Collection Item Pack but will not include any game time. The pricing for the upgrade hasnt been set yet. |
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And on top of that - are we going to get more slots per server???
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Originally Posted by Isawa_Koi
I don't think I've seen this question, and I'm expecting to get a reply in the negative, but...
... are we going to get more (free) character slots with Going Rogue? |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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I think we're all forgetting the fundamental reason this is all happening :P
They are in this for MONEY. o.0 Thats not a bad thing. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it, ENJOY LIFE o.o;;
Hell I'm going to have to overdraw an account to pre order and get the complete shin-dig edition when it comes out. I don't have an issue with that. Why?
Because I know (though perhaps not the healthiest idea in my head) that my money, at least SOME OF IT, helps me as a player for future content. I don't know the split or ratio of dollars-to-donuts in the COx world of business, but I know that at least SOME of it HAS to be going to future projects.
I like this idea. Why? Because I enjoy this game and want MORE things for others to come and enjoy. A rather selfish reason since the more people that come in and enjoy it the more per person money comes in to enhance my gaming experiance down the road! 
We tend to forget that we're not a pack of friends who are making a cute little game. This is a business that needs capital to persue new content, research and developtment that in the end benefits all of us.
On an unrelated note, sending them fruit baskets seems rather selfish since that money doesn't benefit anyone but them. THAT is selfish :P Of course, THIS is just my opinion.
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This all makes perfect sense to me. $15 "more" if you want 4 months early access to DP and 3 month early access to DS. They are not charging you for the powersets, just saying that if you want them early, it'll cost you a bit more.
I'll just wait for the complete collection.
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I can afford it, but I think what they are doing is cruddy.
It's just like Cryptic trying to charge for Vibora Bay...
Why does there even NEED to be 2?
Why can't it just be...
Complete collectors edition 39.99$
Everything included.
Early powers included.
Just make the "PreOrder" be FULL PRICE. Meaning, When you go to Gamestop... In order to GET the code for the powersets... YOU have to pay FULL PURCHASE PRICE. Then you get the Retail Code for the game...
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My two cents:
I honestly have little problem with NC making money, they are a business after all.
Having said that, my two nits to pick are:
1) Making this convoluted and not as simple as possible does not help you as a business make that extra buck from us the customers.
2) One option that should have been included in order to make things simpler for a large majority of us (those who are purchasing the CE edition as well as those going to upgrade with the CE pack) was to just have the option to pre-order/purchase the CE edition for the exact price it would cost to get the regular edition and then upgrade that to the CE edition.
This nonsense of having to bother going online to buy something, then going there again to upgrade it seems like so much extra work *for us* when it can just be a one step purchase for the same total amount!
YOU (meaning NCSoft) would lose nothing by doing this, WE (meaning us customers not quite happy with how things currently are set up) would likely be more satisfied and it would just make more darn sense.
Notice, I'm not even mentioning anything about including 30 days free. *ALL* I am saying is, I want the option to avoid the *micro* aspect of all these shenanigans. I just want to go to the NCSoft store, click, and buy the pre-order goodies, the complete content stuff, all in one click, and for the same total price that it would have cost me having to do it piecemeal.
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When you pre-purchase Going Rogue, you get early access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning. You still have to wait until July to get access to Praetoria and everything else except for the aforementioned powersets (but you don't have to pay anything extra at this date).|
Originally Posted by milehigh77
When the title says "get going rogue" early, my initial thought is "yay. Not only do I get early access to Pistols then Demon but Praetoria as well."
Any thoughts frenz? And this topic seems kinda important....one initial post from a redname....then no follow up from anyone???......not even the our friendly-neighborhood BABs??? |
And the announcement was made at about 4:00 PM at Paragon Studios' time; that's the main reason no other red name posts have appeared, given that most of them probably went home at about 5:00 and/or are way too busy to check the boards these days anyway. BABs especially falls under the latter--unless there is a serious animation bug in the Dual Pistols beta, you're unlikely to hear from him at all.
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So basically its early access to the power sets, or wait and get the power sets plus month game time, plus the costume goodies all at once.
Well strictly speaking anyone in Closed or Open beta has had access to DP already and may get access to test and play with the Demon Summoning powers. Granted its test and not live but you could still log into test right now and have fun with DP and hope that you get an invite to Closed Beta for the Demon powers.
I'd still like to see some pics of some of the upcoming costumes and auras.
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Me too, given that the lack of such information means that we're having to make our purchasing decision "sight unseen."
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Originally Posted by Nericus
I'd still like to see some pics of some of the upcoming costumes and auras.
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This... I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
So I can pay $30, NOT get the item pack and get dual pistols and demon summoning early. If I want the item pack in July, we're be expected the normal 5-10 bucks.
Or I can pay $25($40-15 for the month of time I won't be paying,) get an updated dvd for future reloads AND get the item pack, but have to wait several months before playing DP and DS on live. Oooook. |
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To address the "having your cake and eating it too" comments:
I'm not personally upset by the loss of the month of time. Why it upsets me that I can't prepurchase the Complete Collection is because I want to just buy it once and be done. I don't want the rigmarole of doing it twice (regular digital expansion, booster pack later). I was also under the impression that the prepurchase would work similarly to how the old Hero Gear packs worked, where they actually mailed you the non-digital goodies (the map, the disc, the Statesman Hero Clix).
I don't think it's an unreasonable request on anyone's part to want to pay MORE money now (in March) and not have to worry about a microtransaction in July.
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The pricing model doesn't especially bother me - it's a value decision - what is more important - early access to powers or a free month? That said - clearly some folks are upset.
I'm not sure the revenue created by this move will be more than loss of goodwill among the playerbase and the shock claim to Paragon's health insurance plan from the liver damage Avatea will suffer drinking away all the community anger nightly.
Just a thought: the pre-purchase availability of the powersets is a shrewd move, I think. Basically, not everyone will go for that (I'd say most won't - look how good the complete collection is), so it turns the folks who do go for it into walking ads for Going Rogue. They'll be out there teaming, playing with folks, showing off, etc.
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You only get early access to the powersets, not Praetoria. |
Originally Posted by milehigh77
Logic tells me if it was not stated, then it must not be.
So riddle me this my fellow nerdlings: will those of us who choose to pre-purchase the digital version of GR only have access to the power sets or are we able to explore the whole GR experience, which would mean access to the new zones on Praetoria (but not the item pack)? Again, logic tells me since the redname only mentioned "access to powersets", I should take that as the ability to create new Pistol & demon alts in march & april respectively but still play in either Paragon or Rogue. |
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| My confusion comes from the title of this thread: Two ways to get going rogue. |
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| And this topic seems kinda important....one initial post from a redname....then no follow up from anyone???......not even the our friendly-neighborhood BABs??? |
If you're still confused, Memphis_Bill really summarized it well:
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
So the rundown:
COH:GR Expansion Cost - $29.99 (19.99 / £17.99) Prepurchase available: March Requires COH/COV No extra game time Only option for early access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning Digital ONLY. COH:GR Complete Collection Cost - $39.99 (29.99 / £26.99) Does not require an existing account (new players want this pack) Includes game time Available Digitally and Retail No "goodies" for retail preorder (like prestige sprints or arachnos helmets.) No prePURCHASE (retail can do preorders.) Available July COH:GR Complete Collection Item Pack No cost announced No game time Upgrade for COH:GR expansion Available launch day July. |
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I will wait and get the complete set myself. But, honestly, with all this complaining, what incentive do they have to release ANYTHING early in the future? They may just avoid all this whine-fest and the resulting headaches, and release it all at once, one price, TOUGH!
(I do sympathize with the EU crowd, though. No EU retail sucks.)
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You think this stuff didn't occur to NCsoft Marketing? There's more going on here than meets the eye:|
Originally Posted by tensionfade
The pricing model doesn't especially bother me - it's a value decision - what is more important - early access to powers or a free month? That said - clearly some folks are upset.
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Retailers are very sensitive about vendors that create channel conflict. That's where a product is offered via retail but the producer offers a deal that undercuts the retailers. The retailers' sales are then hurt and they're pissed because when you're dealing with brick and mortar stores, every product sitting on the shelf is taking space that could have gone to another (potentially better selling) product.
Typically the result of that type of situation is retaliation. So if the COH GR box was available at a juicy discounted price direct from NCsoft, they'd find that Gamestop would suddenly be unwilling to give catalog space to NCsoft titles, charged more for end cap promos, ordered less, and put product in less prominent shelving than they did in the past. And not just for CoH, but all NCsoft titles. There are lots of ways to retaliate and the repercussions can last for years.
So NCsoft has to tread carefully by offering a preorder that has enough appeal to generate substantial revenue but not sabotage retail sales.
This is not an easy decision for NCsoft because they make a LOT more on a $30 direct sale than a $40 retail sale. You typically give up about 40% to retailers on wholesale, then there's the cost of shipping and manufacturing. So NCSoft can easily make 50% more on a $30 direct sale than a $40 retail sale. Do you think they want to leave that money on the table? Eventually they'll offer the full GR via direct order, but not so soon that it could jeapardize their retail partner relationships.
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The better deal economically is to wait until July. Adding in the free month, it will only cost you $25. If you pre-order you're paying five bucks more and not getting the item pack. If you buy the item pack later, it another five to ten bucks at a guess.
The way this plan is set up, you're paying a premium for earlier access to the two new powersets. You have to decide if its worth it to you or not.
Seems a little odd that you can't pre-order a collectors edition.
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Anything more available on what exactly the "Shadowy Presence invisibility power" is? It sounds extremely intriguing to me and I love getting the special booster innates (I'm not sure why, I just like them) so this one has me drooling.
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See, the thing is.. would you be playing that month already, even if they haven't given to you? |
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
$30 Expansion (pre-purchasable)
early access to new powersets $10 Item Pack (basing price on previous item pack costs, subject to change) $15 month of gameplay = $55 $40 Complete Edition (not pre-purchasable) no early powerset access free item pack free month = $40 |
If so, then why are you complaining about that?
Why does it even enter into the calculations?
I understand some people have really tight finances, and being able to not spend a month of subscription fee helps make up the difference in cost on the pack. I'd like to point out, however, that saving up to pre-pay a year at a time almost entirely purchases the pack out of the savings difference.
But beyond that... I honestly don't see why a "free month" is all that great a concern.
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Complete pack (digital) = $40
There's no cashing in there. When you look at the straight up digital releases, it's pretty equivalent - the main difference is that some of the money comes earlier, and thus can go earlier into development.
When you look at the physical copy of the complete pack (also $40)... they're losing money on it (when compared to the digital copy). Assuming a lean 10% margin for the retailer, that's $36 to NCSoft. Take out $15 for the lost subscription month, and there's $21. Figure each of those boxes is going to cost $6 to produce & distribute, and there's a grand total of $15 going into NCSoft's pocket. If you assume the more standard 25% margin for the retailer, that drops the money going into NCSofts pocket down to $9.
ETA: I saw someone above mention that game retailers get about 40% markup. I don't know if that's true or not, but look at it this way: That's $16 to the retailer, $6 for the boxes, and $15 for the lost subscription. NC Soft is now getting a grand total of $3 per box.
Now, somebody's likely to bring up "well, they get loads of money at $15 a month from subscriptions"... don't go there. There's at least five of us who'll explain the cost of overhead in detail. That gets boring.
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I'm pretty sure I understand what's going on with all this, but I did have to think about it to decide my overall "purchase strategy" for it.
It amazes me how needlessly convoluted game companies like to make things. The presentation of this kind of pricing scheme should be as instantly obvious and simplistic as possible. People shouldn't have to waste unnecessary effort deciding the best way to spend money on a company's products.
I like this game, but I don't want my spending real life money on it to become part of a "game" that I have to figure out as well. 
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Just found this at ParagonWiki: "Activating this power shifts you into a semi-real shadow-state. So long as you are not attacked and remain motionless, you will have extremely good stealth rating and be nearly invisible. This power has a long, interruptible cast time and always takes 10 minutes to recharge."|
Originally Posted by CoyoteShaman
Anything more available on what exactly the "Shadowy Presence invisibility power" is? It sounds extremely intriguing to me and I love getting the special booster innates (I'm not sure why, I just like them) so this one has me drooling.
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Huh? An interruptable stealth power that means you can't attack or even move? So you have to not have any agro before using it and once you do you can't move. So it's good for when you're waiting around for patrols that you already know are coming towards you but don't have time to get behind a corner but do have time to deal with the "long interrupt"? Not nearly so drooly any more. Now I'm just more confused. Sounds more like the vet-pets in usefulness than, say, Mystic Fortune. I was hoping for something closer to the middle.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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The announcement was easy to understand, IMO... but now I get why some people have such difficulty interacting in the forums, lol.
Between the pre-order and I17; gimme shinies nao!
Could care less about the free game time (unless you're giving away a free year 
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Sell that booster... sell that sucka now!
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