Discussion: Two Ways to Get Going Rogue


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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
I can't believe you had the gall to say that.
*shrug*

I can't believe so many people geek rage over so many small things.

The entire idea that $5-10 dollars difference in pricing or when certain things can be acquired for a game can cause so much anger and angst in grown adults, is simply astonishing to me.


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Originally Posted by MajorPrankster View Post
This thread is, again, proof positive that people will, in fact, find a way to complain about anything.
I'm not that worried or complaining myself, but I can see why people are. Let me point out the processes and values:

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COH:GR EXPANSION (GR:X)
Cost: $29.99 (€19.99 / £17.99)
Prepurchase available: March
Preorder available: None
Requires: COH/COV
Free Month?: No
Distribution: Digital* only.
Retail/Box Goodies: Not applicable.
GR Item Pack Included?: No. Can be purchased separately in July, see below.
Two New Powerset Head Start?: Yes. (Value: TBD by buyer's opinion)


COH:GR COMPLETE COLLECTION (GR:CE)
Cost: $39.99 (€29.99 / £26.99)
Prepurchase available: None
Preorder available: Thru NCSoft Store or Retailer, sometime before July, date TBD.
Requires: None, includes full game of CoH, CoV, and Preatorian Expansion. This edition may be added to CoH/V.
Free Month?: Included. (Value: $15)
Distribution: Digital*, or Retailer box (which retailers unknown) in July
Retail/Box Goodies: None known, probably not.
GR Item Pack Included?: Yes. (Value: $5-15 guesstimate)
Two New Powerset Head Start?: No.


COH:GR ITEM PACK (GR:PAK)
Cost: No cost announced (guesstimate of $5-15 based on previous packs).
Prepurchase available: None
Preorder available: None
Requires: COH/COV and GR:X (Expansion)
Free Month?: No
Distribution: Digital* only, in July.
Retail/Box Goodies: Not applicable.
GR Item Pack Included?: This is the Item Pack!
Two New Powerset Head Start?: No.
So the ways we can get GR:

Digital only (early access, no physical, no goodies): $29.99
Digital+pack (early access, no physical): $39.99 (estimate based on pack prices)
Complete (no early access): $39.99 (actual value: $24.99)

Complete comes with a free month, while the other method does not. Meaning the total value of the complete edition is $39.99 - $15 for a total of $24.99, but then you don't get early access. If you don't buy the complete, you still have to buy time. You can get every possible perk, digital+complete, but that costs $69.98, or if you subtract the value of the 30 days, $54.98.

So, if you want early access you have to pay more. And you don't get physical (unless you pay WAY more). If you want physical, you don't get early access (unless you pay way more again). So no matter what approach, there's a significant downside.

Personally, I'm doing digital+pack, as I don't care about the physical. But I'm still out that free time. But there are people who do care about the physical stuff. I'm paying the same $39.99 that someone who buys complete is paying, and still don't get the free time they get, or the physical bonuses. It seems like a bad scheme, since no matter what your approach, you lose something. Either early access, physical perks, or money. The way it's set up, early access isn't a perk or a thank you to people paying early. We're almost literally paying for early access. And it costs at least $15.


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I attempted to read through all of this and failed.

Am I the only one that saw the announcement and went huh, so I guess they don't have a way of issuing two keys for the collectors edition and they don't want people to be able to unlock the new content until GR goes live or to cause a system issue unlocking content that isn't there.

But maybe thats because I'm a developer too and I understand what happens when you're limited in a system. Marketing probably figured its easier to just only pre-sell the one that isn't attached to the collector edition items rather then put two keys in one pack.

But thats just my guess. I think I'll just wait patiently till July and enjoy the new sets on test.


 

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The only "concern" I have now is: what is the "street date" for the boxed edition? If it's well before the projected release (IE the box is released June 1st and GR hits the live servers July 1st) I'm a happy camper. I can get it, apply the code and wait for GR to hit.

I just hope the street date is far enough in advance to avoid the GvE shelving fiasco (though that was more due to it being a Walmart exclusive at release than NCSoft distribution) so people aren't waiting (and raging) for the physical box for a few weeks after GR hits live.


 

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I attempted to read through all of this and failed.

Am I the only one that saw the announcement and went huh, so I guess they don't have a way of issuing two keys for the collectors edition and they don't want people to be able to unlock the new content until GR goes live or to cause a system issue unlocking content that isn't there.

But maybe thats because I'm a developer too and I understand what happens when you're limited in a system. Marketing probably figured its easier to just only pre-sell the one that isn't attached to the collector edition items rather then put two keys in one pack.

But thats just my guess. I think I'll just wait patiently till July and enjoy the new sets on test.
Also epic failure on reading all the post, I have a different question though.

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The City of Heroes Going Rogue: Complete Collection costs $39.99 (€29.99 / £26.99) and includes City of Heroes Going Rogue as well as City of Heroes, City of Villains, 30 days of game time, and the Complete Collection Item Pack. With the game time and previous expansions included, it is ideal for those who are new to City of Heroes franchise
What is in the Complete Collection Item Pack?

Is that all the boosters which have already been released including the Wedding pack and the GvE. Did they or are they adding something new thats what I really want to know.

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Im sick of paying for expansions in games only to have them included free few months down the road - will GR do this as well? If not, ill get it.. but if possible, then i wont :P
Depends on how long you're willing to wait. City of Villains was released as a stand alone game/expansion in October 2005, it wasn't until July 2008 when the two were merged and you didn't have to buy both to play both.

If you're willing to wait 3 years then maybe you will get Going Rogue for free. But you never know, City of Heroes 2 may be released by that time!


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Also epic failure on reading all the post, I have a different question though.

What is in the Complete Collection Item Pack?

Is that all the boosters which have already been released including the Wedding pack and the GvE. Did they or are they adding something new thats what I really want to know.

Valor
As answered a couple of dozen posts before yours by bzald the Complete Collection edition includes the following as the item pack:

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COH:GR Complete Collection Item Pack

there is some info at this link ultra mode, issue 17 about what might be in the item pack

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=208864

• Alpha- and Omega-themed auras
• Alpha and Omega themed costumed sets
• Four stance emotes
• The Shadowy Presence invisibility power


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16. Has Paragon Studios redefined "player" to require your mouse to subscribe separately from your keyboard?
If your mouse has greater processing power than your gfx card, the answer is yes.

 

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Originally Posted by MajorPrankster View Post
*shrug*

I can't believe so many people geek rage over so many small things.

The entire idea that $5-10 dollars difference in pricing or when certain things can be acquired for a game can cause so much anger and angst in grown adults, is simply astonishing to me.
I was being sarcastic, it's an old joke but I had to do it. I figured the wording made it obvious enough (I mean "gall", who actually uses that?) but I guess not.


 

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
I was being sarcastic, it's an old joke but I had to do it. I figured the wording made it obvious enough (I mean "gall", who actually uses that?) but I guess not.
Heh. My first thought was that it was a joke, should have gone with that.

I'll get my sarcastometer checked.


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I was going to preorder just so I wouldn't forget to get GR. Now... with that slightly confusing release and somewhat punishing players for wanting to play DP and DS early... I'll wait for launch day and get the complete collection.

I lack patience and feared I'd burn out on the new sets before I got to the new content. This quizzical plan from NCSoft helps my decision to wait. Yes, it's minor: $15 free month vs. playing two sets 3 and 4 months early. Seems a small cost but I was that much on the fence for waiting.

Paragon Studios let me off easy. If a badge were given with preordering throw out everything I said above and I'd get it... /sigh.


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I've learned to be a patient person and to look for deals where I can.
I'll get the collector's edition and just wait to use my dual pistols. I cannot afford to give up a month just to play dual pistols early. And I'll probably buy it on Amazon.com and have it mailed to me. At $40, that should get me free shipping.
Just like with buying the Mac Edition vs. the Mac Edition Item pack. Pay $20 and get a month of play or pay $10 and get just the item pack. Buying the full Mac edition allowed me to get a month of play for $10.

edit: The thought just came to me that the standard Going Rogue expansion is more than the cost of City of Heroes at present. So if someone new were to join between now and the next few months, they would be paying a total cost between $50 and $60 if they decided to get Going Rogue as well. Someone may have already mentioned this so forgive me if I brought this up again. Of course, they can wait until July and get it all for $40. The only reason this occurred to me is because my cousin is planning on playing after he gets his new computer which will most likely be in March.


 

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Pretty bold move by NC Soft to have it this method put in place. We don;t know what GR contains so I can't be one for doing a pre-order. From what I have seen to date, there isn't enough for me to spend money on GR. I can barely play now so GR will need a lot in order to keep my interest. Side switching, ultra mode, 2 new powers seem to be the main features so far....not even close to being enough. I will wait and see and maybe get the full version.


 

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ok, having gotten some sleep, this method is a little confusing to some, but I think some people are getting hung up on the free month being 15 dollars, lets remember that that only is if you are on a monthly billing structure, the value for people on longer set-ups will be less, and I suspect that people who are invested enough in the game to prepurchase months ahead of the actual relwease, well , i suspect that a healthy portion of those players already are on the longer billing cycles, in fact i suspect that a good number are just now running down their holdiay deals, and may have, like myself, already signed on for the deal offered last summer, so for a lot of us, the free month would be 10 dollars or slightly above. It is still money, and if the ultimate pack costs more than 10 bucks i will be raising heck up in harlem, but it looks less dumb than it did last night, it still appears to be confusing to a number of people though..


 

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Paragon Studios let me off easy. If a badge were given with preordering throw out everything I said above and I'd get it... /sigh.
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ok, having gotten some sleep, this method is a little confusing to some, but I think some people are getting hung up on the free month being 15 dollars, lets remember that that only is if you are on a monthly billing structure, the value for people on longer set-ups will be less, and I suspect that people who are invested enough in the game to prepurchase months ahead of the actual relwease, well , i suspect that a healthy portion of those players already are on the longer billing cycles, in fact i suspect that a good number are just now running down their holdiay deals, and may have, like myself, already signed on for the deal offered last summer, so for a lot of us, the free month would be 10 dollars or slightly above. It is still money, and if the ultimate pack costs more than 10 bucks i will be raising heck up in harlem, but it looks less dumb than it did last night, it still appears to be confusing to a number of people though..
I don't think it's confusing at all. They're asking us to shell out 30 or 40 $ U.S. for something without knowing what exactly we're paying for. Not happening in my case. It costs just less than a new game so it will need a ton of stuff.

This sale technique also seems to be a bit of a cash grab. Ah well. I am waiting to hear what exactly we get before I buy and keep playing.


 

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ok, having gotten some sleep, this method is a little confusing to some, but I think some people are getting hung up on the free month being 15 dollars, lets remember that that only is if you are on a monthly billing structure, the value for people on longer set-ups will be less, and I suspect that people who are invested enough in the game to prepurchase months ahead of the actual relwease, well , i suspect that a healthy portion of those players already are on the longer billing cycles, in fact i suspect that a good number are just now running down their holdiay deals, and may have, like myself, already signed on for the deal offered last summer, so for a lot of us, the free month would be 10 dollars or slightly above. It is still money, and if the ultimate pack costs more than 10 bucks i will be raising heck up in harlem, but it looks less dumb than it did last night, it still appears to be confusing to a number of people though..
People are "hung up" on a free month of play costing $15 because that's the cash value of one free month.

I don't recall the deal from last summer, but unless you can, in July, buy ONE SINGLE month of gameplay under that deal for less than $15, then the cash value of the free month is $15 since that is the price for buying a single month. The cash value of an object is always what you can buy (or sell) that object for when you have it or acquire it, not what you paid for it in a pack of 12, not what you paid for it last year, not what you'll pay for it in 6 months.

It's the "Price Guide" problem. Just because the Price Guide says Object X is "worth" 20 bucks, however the only people you can find to buy it will only pay 10, then the object isn't worth $20, it's worth $10 and if you can't find anyone to buy it at all, it is worth nothing since its worth and value are determined by what you can trade it for at that moment.


 

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I don't think it's confusing at all. They're asking us to shell out 30 or 40 $ U.S. for something without knowing what exactly we're paying for. Not happening in my case. It costs just less than a new game so it will need a ton of stuff.

This sale technique also seems to be a bit of a cash grab. Ah well. I am waiting to hear what exactly we get before I buy and keep playing.
Actually, for $30 you know exactly what you will be getting. Early access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning on live, and access to Going Rogue Close Beta.


 

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Wow... I can not believe this thread has gone on for 13 pages. I read the same announcement everyone else did, yet never felt any disappointment in the deal at all.
Bottom line... wait until July if you want the "free" month of play. End of story.
Pre-purchase and item pack and you will be at the same step as everyone else who digitally buys the collector's set. Not a big deal. It really isn't.
My account will remain active before, during, and after this all blows through. I will pay my monthly fee happily knowing it's money well spent. I will pre-purchase GR knowing I haven't wasted a dime. And when that item pack hits, it's mine too.
I just do not understand where you people are coming from on this. It's just a month of play... that's it. Most of you would be spending that anyway. How any of you came up with being ripped off or it being Vibrosa (or whatever they called it) Bay is ridiculous.
Get a grip, people.


 

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Actually, for $30 you know exactly what you will be getting. Early access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning on live, and access to Going Rogue Close Beta.
And what's in Going Rogue? I think that's what JazMan is getting at. Apart from 2 new powersets and new 1-20 content, what's in GR, precisely?


 

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When did NCsoft hire Bill Roper?
When they announce that you'll also have to pay for I17.
Which they haven't.
And won't.

Dual Pistols is a cool set, and I've little doubt that Demon Summoning will be as well, and I'm looking forward to playing them in March and April instead of July. And since I managed to mess up on the loyalty program when my subscription lapsed 8 days before the program ended this is probably my best shot at GR beta access as well. Win/Win really.

I don't see the fuss. It's not like we're being asked to pay for it twice (the item pack is optional after all, and I'll pick it up at a later date, or on my second account, maybe, if it has cool stuff.)


 

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Goodness is this still going on? o.0

The Roper thing was a bit out of line :P The entire incident with Roper over at that Over game (Rhymes with Rampions Bovine) was that the "box" you were supposed to buy was to cover content that point in fact, WAS REQUIRED unless you wanted to grind daily quests in a certain area. The content gap was between "c" and "d" and WAS there until they paniced at how fast the people that swore they'd never come to CO from here ALSO went over there, broke no sweat eating up their content in three days of headstart, and were bored.

They compensated by increasing the difficulty, downing the exp tables, and forgot to think about (or ignored :P) that with a shift like that, you need to compensate the area where the exp to level content expires prior to being unlocked by the level your heading for.

Or..so I've heard.

I cannot believe the lot of us are still complaining about them making money off their hard work. We reap the benefits. Until someone comes up with crytsal clear evidence that Warwitch is the Devil or Positron in disguise (There's an image o.@) as the devil, why not..I dunno, relax? :P

Just my thoughts...

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It's a magical expansion full of hope and wonder and joy and happiness and joy.
But... I want a pony.


 

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After thinking about it, I probably won't use my Best Buy gift card for the GR complete collection. Now I'm thinking I'll just prepurchase the seperate expansion and then get that item pack. That's just way easier.

It would be nice to have the new boxed set, but I don't have to get it right away. And now I can use that gift card on the new Justice League animated movie that comes out on Tuesday.


 

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Until someone comes up with crytsal clear evidence that Warwitch is the Devil or Positron in disguise (There's an image o.@) as the devil, why not..I dunno, relax?
It puts the lotion on its skin?


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