Are Scrappers Broken?
Soldiers: Lol Scrappers
Masterminds: I have an army, who cares about scrappers.
Widows: Sexier than scrappers
1: Scrappers don't have comparable mitigation to tanks.
2: Fury generation was altered at some point in PvP. Brutes get better HP and tanker level caps.
3: Working as intended.
4: Woring as intended.
5: Working as intended.
6: Working as intended. Serious answer, blasters have better DPS.
7: Doms recently received a very nice full time damage buff.
8: Working as intended.
9: Working as intended.
Be well, people of CoH.
I don't think any scrappers have solo'd any GM's yet. Be sure to let Corrs, MM's, Trollers, and Def's know when they do
Scrappers (and Brutes) are currently sitting in the power-building sweet spot - they have a good offensive base and moderate mitigation. IOs provide enough additional survivability to handle as much challenge as it is profitable to handle. They can't solo GMs, yes, but then that's not actually a useful thing to be able to do from a rewards-maximization perspective.
I think that in the distant future, we will look on I16 as the golden age of the Scrapper (and Brute).
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:\ Both my Corrupter and defender can out-tank any scrapper and the corruptor can out DPS most scrappers. Honestly...I have been lurking for forever and a day and I don't see any scrapper envy. They are talked about the most because they are the most commonly used AT and I beleive with the exception of Defenders they are the most Generally usable AT, meaning they can solo pretty well. All AT's redside are superior in that sense however.
D: Toss me a hai @DarkNat My Fify glory: Renzer Dark/Dark Corr., Renzro Dark/Dark Def., Amartasu Dark/Dark Scrap.Less important ones: Fire/Fire Blaster,Ice/Ice Blaster,Ele/Ele Brute, Mind/Storm Troll,Fire/Kin Corr.,Bots/FF MM., DB/Regen Scrap.
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What does this tell you? Not trying to be a Scrapper hater or calling for a nerf (Having lots of fun with my latest scrapper.) , but it’s hard to deny that all other AT boards seem to make a point of comparing themselves to Scrappers… Scrapper envy can be seen almost daily in every single AT board. Yet, how often do Scrappers exhibit AT envy?
—Granted, some of my over-generalized statements above may be out of date or exaggerated, but nonetheless, just something I’ve consistently observed in the boards. Food for thought. |
The Blaster forum does exhibit a little jealousy once in a while -- it's justifiable, given the state of Blaster secondaries, IMHO.
Other than that, day in and day out, I don't see Scrapper jealousy worth noting on the other boards.
I do see a certain amount of chest-thumping from Scrapper players, and the occasional self-justifying ("I don't have to wait for the team! They can clean up after me and fetch my slippers!") but it's not too bad.
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D: Toss me a hai @DarkNat My Fify glory: Renzer Dark/Dark Corr., Renzro Dark/Dark Def., Amartasu Dark/Dark Scrap.Less important ones: Fire/Fire Blaster,Ice/Ice Blaster,Ele/Ele Brute, Mind/Storm Troll,Fire/Kin Corr.,Bots/FF MM., DB/Regen Scrap.
Scrappers (and Brutes) are currently sitting in the power-building sweet spot - they have a good offensive base and moderate mitigation. IOs provide enough additional survivability to handle as much challenge as it is profitable to handle. They can't solo GMs, yes, but then that's not actually a useful thing to be able to do from a rewards-maximization perspective.
I think that in the distant future, we will look on I16 as the golden age of the Scrapper (and Brute). |
This makes the Scrapper(Brute) the all-around best choice in most situations.
I think this may change going forward.
This is not likely to be "news" to the devs....assuming it's true anyway.
Stalkers: “I want to Scrap like a Scrapper!” |
So what are you saying exactly? That the other ATs are inferior to scrappers or that scrappers are in need of a nerf? Or both? I think scrappers are great, and serve their purpose, but a well played toon is great regardless of AT. Scrappers are great at providing some damage and being largely independent, but there are some things they can't do. Like providing meaningful debuffs or controls for a team.
Words to the wise aren't necessary- it's the stupid ones that need them.
"You're right...I forgot...being constantly at or the near the damage cap is a big turn off. Definitely not worth it."
- Vitality
but a well played toon is great regardless of AT
This. I play with 3 people regular. No scrap or tank on the team, and we run on level 5 and i don't think we've had a wipe yet. Most of the time, we have 1 troller, 1 def, and 1 blaster. 1 of us may play a tank occassionally, but the results are always the same.
Shame your not an EU player cos you'd have a queue of people who would like to put that theory to the test.
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And if you've never heard of a "tankfender," you haven't seen a good (often D3) defender.
I've got to agree with Sailboat - I just don't see this complaining about Scrappers ... um, pretty much anywhere.
You've assembled a bunch of completely anecdotal comments that some people might have said, some of which is simply untrue, and presented them in a group as if that lends them special credence. Just because a lot of people say something doesn't mean it's true. It just means a lot of people think it. In debate, this is known as "appeal to popularity" or "ad populum", and it's a well recognized logical fallacy.
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I've never really looked at the game in terms of what is fastest or safest. I'm interested in toys. I like new ways to do things, new challenges, etc. I enjoy the control game, the buff/debuff game, the mastermind RTS style game. But scrappers? They have no game to play. So I never got one passed the teens. Tanks at least have the taunting/agro-fest game to play, though I find that game lacking.
I agree that the game is and should be designed around scrappers. Because scrappers are the bare bones, no unique tricks AT.
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I've said this before and it worked out just fine.
The team was a tank, 2 defenders, a controller, 3 blasters, and me. If that team had needed a scrapper with them to survive....they would suck. It just made more sense to go kill things in another room while the rest of the team was turning the one they were in into a slaughterhouse.
That's what scrappers excel at (paralleled by brutes) they can handle most anything thrown at them with aplomb.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Tankers: Scrappers do waaaay more damage than us AND have comparable defenses!
Brutes: Scrappers are better than us in PvP! Controllers: Scrappers do more DPS than us! Corruptors: Scrappers solo better than we do! Defenders: Scrappers do more damage, have higher defenses AND solo better than we do! Blasters: /faceplant Dominators: PToD doesnt affect Scrappers! Were worthless in big fights! Kheldians: We cant solo AVs like a Scrapper! Stalkers: I want to Scrap like a Scrapper! Blasters: SCRA!... /faceplant |
Tankers: "Die? What's that?"
Brutes: "Can't talk. Too busy with SMASH!"
Controllers: "Please be silent. I'm basking in my greatness here."
Corruptors: "Scourge! Scourge! Hahahaha!"
Defenders: "Don't call me a healer!"
Blasters: "BOOM! Hah!"
Dominators: "Please stand still while I set you on fire."
Kheldians: "More slots! Pleasssse!"
Stalkers: "This isn't the Archetype you're looking for." *Placate*
Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
Or, for an alternate version:
Tankers: "Die? What's that?" Brutes: "Can't talk. Too busy with SMASH!" Controllers: "Please be silent. I'm basking in my greatness here." Corruptors: "Scourge! Scourge! Hahahaha!" Defenders: "Don't call me a healer!" Blasters: "BOOM! Hah!" Dominators: "Please stand still while I set you on fire." Kheldians: "More slots! Pleasssse!" Stalkers: "This isn't the Archetype you're looking for." *Placate* |
I actually CRIED from laughter! XD All so much win. -passes the oreos-
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Tankers: Scrappers do waaaay more damage than us AND have comparable defenses!
Brutes: Scrappers are better than us in PvP!
Controllers: Scrappers do more DPS than us!
Corruptors: Scrappers solo better than we do!
Defenders: Scrappers do more damage, have higher defenses AND solo better than we do!
Blasters: /faceplant
Dominators: PToD doesnt affect Scrappers! Were worthless in big fights!
Kheldians: We cant solo AVs like a Scrapper!
Stalkers: I want to Scrap like a Scrapper!
Blasters: SCRA!... /faceplant
What does this tell you? Not trying to be a Scrapper hater or calling for a nerf (Having lots of fun with my latest scrapper.) , but its hard to deny that all other AT boards seem to make a point of comparing themselves to Scrappers Scrapper envy can be seen almost daily in every single AT board. Yet, how often do Scrappers exhibit AT envy?
Granted, some of my over-generalized statements above may be out of date or exaggerated, but nonetheless, just something Ive consistently observed in the boards.
Food for thought.