Are Scrappers Broken?

The mention of comparing times for the Scrapper and "other" teams comes to mind.

OK, I misunderstood what you were saying. I am sorry.

Could you perhaps give some more specific details of your strategy? Inspire load outs? Builds? Specific IO procs you find favorable? How and where and which build pulls? How you split duties on LR and the towers? I find it very helpful to see what other people are doing, it informs me and aids me in my own decisions and plans.

If we don't want to be rivalled, equaled or beaten on anything then what will have to be the first rule? The less said the better? What's in other peoples builds is their business and not even in mine.

Plus what was doable in I15, maybe, well laughably easy now, but not once it's fixed, something else may surprise us (flipping highly doubtful but its not worth counting any eggs yet). Not worth us doing till it's a fixed TF where you can't easy mode it.

*sigh*

What's the point in doing something then telling people how so anyone can do it?

Isn't it in the spirit of gaming to let people be just as challenged as you were?

I read a guide, made by players a couple of years ago and I thought "Well I don't need to buy the game now".

We can do a pic of us standing over Lord Recluse or every AV, with them targeted to show their lvls and that's the best I can offer.

That is how forward progress is made. We tell future generations of our past triumphs so they can learn, adapt, and improve themselves. We tell our contemporaries of our present successes, so they can learn, adapt, and improve themselves.

If there was some commodity you could make a profit off of, I guess it might be different, but in a game forum, I'd rather share and compare.

If you think you have some type of magical way to do things no one else has thought of, you are probably mistaken. I just wanted to know what your specific plans were to see how they matched up to my own ideas. Sharing and comparing notes is one of the prime reasons I read the forums.

I have no problem that you wish to be secretive. I understand that some people enjoy that. I do not and therefore, *sigh*.

I am also curious if you have builds decked out for such a run, compared to those of us who just grab our scrappers and go, without thought or heed to specifics. How do you utilize Fiery Aura? Do you find /DA useful at the towers? What secondary do you find tanks LR best?

There are a lot of ways I know I could make it relatively easy for an all scrapper team. Heck, 8 shield scrappers would make it easier, and you barely even have to think about it.

Its not that I want you to tell me how to do it, I already know several ways I would do it. I want you to tell me how you plan to do it to compare and as a thought experiment. I also want to know because I like to offer my ideas and observations to others.

I will almost assuredly never run a MoSTF with all scrappers, as I enjoy going crazy far too much, and being with a bunch of other scrappers doesn't make that desire go down, but rather it makes it go up.

"Why is this boss not dying as fast as the others?"

"Uhm, because that is Silver Mantis."

Not on a Master.
No, I am sure they are good, solid players. I also feel its fine they want to be secretive. It just makes no sense to come to the forums and talk about a secret.

Technically, I was just trying to chide her and make her rethink her stance on keeping secrets.

But yeah, it's pretty pointless to come to the boards and say you accomplished a great achievement and yet not *talk* about it. What are these boards for anyway?

Oh yeah, making outrageous powerset suggestions! I got one! Blood Spear! Keep an eye out for that thread in the S&I forum

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Softcapped heros + res and selfheals will go a long way. Add in a scrapper with medican to play "medic" for patchwork, and you prolly have a soild Mstf team. Have the guy tanking LR at the end stack purples and oranges.

Of all the AT's in game, an all scrapper MoSTF doesn't sound like it'd be the hardest one to pull off. Eh, with proper builds, stacking leadership, and IO bonuses, getting a team for the soft cap isn't a massive challange, and then your pretty much good to go for a master run. I'd imagian a team of softcapped blasters with a "medic" would make a mockery of it with there massive damage output. Throw in a few sonic blasters and it just gets scray.

Fact of the matter is, as much as i LOVE this game, it's really not what i'd consider overly difficult. Alittle preplaning and a good knowlageable group of frineds, you can do most anything with ease in this game.

People were discussing a Stalker superteam a while back, and the easiest conclusion was that people could do RES/regen/heal builds and everyone take Maneuvers. 8 Scrappers running Maneuvers equates to nearly +30% DEF. The rest they can pick up with small bonuses, CJ, DEF already in their set, or a friendly Shield Scrapper.

WP would be capped in everything but S/L with the extra +30%. With CJ, Weave, and Steadfast, could be capped in S/L as well. And could have about 53% RES to S/L if Tough is taken. Very little would be stopping a team like that.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

No Nukes needed.

You are wrong about my helpfulness as I have helped many. I do help people get from A to B but not A to C.

You are though the sort of person from your words "but then..." onwards that I would find commendable.

I do believe that often people can't help themselves and have to tell everyone what they did so if anyone was using the same techniques the odds are that the info would exist somewhere on the internet...but it doesn't outside of a PM.

I have no doubts other people can come up with the same techniques and I have no doubts that someone else maybe currently using them and keeping it from people too. Spirit of gaming and all that.

The whole point in it being brought up is just to say what scrappers are capable of. I don't know if you would say an all defender team are capable of an Mo but you may say that an all defender team maybe quickest. An all Controller team may capitalize overall on both time and lack of defeats. An all Scrapper team may capitalize on actually achieving the Mo standard. The different 1AT teams may actually have different advantages either way one flexible scrapper can without question create a lot of survivability for a unspec'd team.

Yes.

Not necessary but handy. We won't need a medic.

You will need a certain amount of def and res. I am focusing on getting the mix right on our next run to work out exactly how it can be that any type of scrapper can do it.

No need to be fussy on the builds too much, no need for leaderships at all, doable even without Shields in the team, we don't have a shield, 2 people max could do with an IO build really. You would overkill the qualities required to get it done and so you are really 100% correct in that it is far from the hardest thing to pull off.

That applies to anything uncommon.

An all Stalker team sounds interesting and Maneuvers maybe key but it doesn't have to be with scrappers.

I would think an all defender team might be one of the easiest ways to get a Mo.

MMs, Controllers, Defenders, Corruptors would be the easiest way, IME.

I've no doubts in of an all Controller MoSTF, Defender ones I'd need to think about and I have yet to hear of one. MMs and Corrupters not worried about and I barely know a damn thing about Villains.

Directed at all parties who've mentioned this, not just you... I sure hope a nuke isn't needed, since no one on a Mo* team can cast one.

(I suppose you could get someone parked outside to drop one on you though.)

Definitely not needed and that's a cheeky out of the box idea I wouldn't of thought of.

8 stalkers stacking demoralize via AS can get something like (7.5x8)...-60% ToHit on anything including an AV?

I'd say it's very possible to just coordinate it so you have 2 AS going off at any given time for -15% ToHit on an AV at all times. Add that to any +def a stalker would have + maneuvers and they'd be relatively safe (relatively, meaning *maybe* about as safe as resist/def capped scrapper team but not if those scrappers are also HP capped/near capped).

Actually, the debuff doesn't stack:

Demoralized