Posi on Abusing Mission Architect
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2wabbits,
Posted on: 2009-05-05 13:14 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
It's one thing in games like WoW or CS to get a fairly huge player base off the game in one way (ban) or another (making them so upset they leave), but doing this in CoX during the 5th year, when several seriously competitive threats are crawling very, very near is suicide.
I love this game, but I'm amazed it's still alive and kicking with the abuse the owners put it through. I'm getting to the point I almost whish they'd just kill it off fast and spare us the pain of seeing what we love fade away. I might even get a real life(tm)! 
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lol fury id [censored] myself too, if they are going to ban people making farming maps ay mate?
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There's your exploit right there.
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i street sweep in DA with fire based toons as they hate fire, there's another exploit. bannage?
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Of course not, an elemental vulnerability is designed to make that foe weak against something.
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The 32-40 run I did in 5 hours solo in Creys cause of squishy mushrooms being high reward on my Spine/Invul scrapper??! That just their vulnerability, or exploit?
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Your the silly one, why on earth would people choose to level their toons to 50 over 400+ Hours when they can do it within 24 - 36.
Thats not automaton behaviour thats bloody common sense!
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Because I won't be the one getting my toons or arcs locked, or deleted. Unlike the people who raced to farm.
Thats not silly thats bloody common sense!
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Hell yeah it is, if I know what you're gonna do with the gun, and everyone WARNED me about it!
Everyone WAS shouting madly about MA being the farmers wet dream and they still didn't test it properly for that. So don't be silly!
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Silly? I don't think so. You're not an automaton, you're posessed of free will. You could have made a conscious decision not farm the MA.
Just because we all said MA is going to provide a perfect environment for farming does not make it any better. The devs might have dropped the ball on this, but people still came along and exploited the fact that the devs had released something that'd do something other than they intended.
There's your exploit right there.
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So basically you agreed with me, but can't admit it! Gratz!
a dev introduced mechanic that allows anyone to create a map full of anything to play to their hearts content.
how is a map full of BP farmed with a fire tank any different from street sweeping those same mobs?
my point is that these exploits exist, they have been magnified by the MA but the over-reaction is rather unprecedented. either way its up to them their game after all...
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Leif_Roar~Not as such, but there is this bit:
"You agree that NC Interactive may take whatever steps it deems necessary to abridge, or prevent behavior of any sort on the Service in its sole discretion, without notice to you."
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And I reserve the right to cancel my subscriptions, yes all 4 of them if I feel that their rules and regulations are unjust and the issue is their own fault
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Bye!
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Golden Girl~But there was a warning in the MA patch notes:
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NCsoft reserves the right to ban any missions that contain any exploits that provide unintended statistical advantages. Players and/or "authors" that advertise exploitable missions through our forums, in-game chat system or through the Mission Architect system may be banned from the Mission Architect System or may have their game account closed.
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Yes deleting arcs that they deem abusive is fine, that is correcting something they deem as abusive and issuing the user with a warning, stripping rewards that have already been gained is out of order!
That would be like giving your employees a bonus for hitting a target, and then taking it back because too many of them hit it. You would be sitting in that office on your own.!!! Are you listening posi!!!
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So, as I read this, I see that you believe that using in-game exploits is entirely appropriate and correct, despite clicking "I Agree" to an EULA that says you won't do it? I think removing awards that have been inappropriately gained is entirely correct.
But don't let that stop you leaving, if you want to go.
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It's not an exploit!!
things like /stuck while in the corner of Sirens that TP's you inside villain base. THAT is an exploit, killing mobe for the xp that they devs set is NOT an exploit.
If your too narrow minded to work that out perhaps your the one that should leave to do something else...
I'm sure that they were advertising for a dev somewhere
You seem to have the mentality to apply.
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sorry dont get it 
what the hell is that got to do with anything and btw you should be reported for that link
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It's not an exploit!!
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You don't get to decide that.
I have used the MA to Farm and I have even run the teams.
I use the name Sullster on these characters and have got them from 1-40 on multiple builds then remade and deleted them. (probably around 20 times) Most people I teamed with kept asking me why I keep remaking. The only reason I farmed was to let me test out the higher powers of certain powersets without having to spend weeks to get to a high enough level and think "well this set is [censored]" or "This powers animation looks [censored]". Farms gave me some nice infamy from selling rare salvage and thats about it.
So what kind of punishment do I get????? 
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It's not an exploit!!
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You don't get to decide that.
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And thank bloody friggin' GOD, neither do you!
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It's not an exploit!!
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You don't get to decide that.
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Yes I do.
It doesnt break the EULA, Its not an exploit!
Simple
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My 1st Level 5o took me 6-9 months and it felt like an achievement.
Playing last night a Controller let out a cheer of "at last" as he hit L50.
The guy was Fire/FF and had no idea what dispersion bubble was when I asked him why he wasn't using it and going by his badges had never left Atlas.
With MA it feels like they are giving away L50's with every packet of cornflakes.
I think that a compromise needs to be reached though - say take away half of an alts levels that was PL'd this way.
50's to 25's etc!
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It's not an exploit!!
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You don't get to decide that.
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Yeah - if the devs say something is an exploit, then it is an exploit.
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@Elementar - I understand your point there, but you're comparing chalk and cheese. The mobs in DA are SUPPOSED to vulnerable to fire and were designed that way. The MA was not supposed to become a farming paradise, and wasn't designed to be so.
@Singstar - I doubt very much I'm agreeing with you on anything. An exploit is anything that doesn't function as intended by the dev team. The MA was never intended as a mechanism to level from 1 to 50 in a matter of hours, therefore using to to do so is an exploit.
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I have used the MA to Farm and I have even run the teams.
I use the name Sullster on these characters and have got them from 1-40 on multiple builds then remade and deleted them. (probably around 20 times) Most people I teamed with kept asking me why I keep remaking. The only thing the farms ever did for me was let me test out the higher powers of certain powersets without having to spend weeks to get to a high enough level and think "well this set is [censored]". Farms gave me some nice infamy from selling rare salvage and thats about it.
So what kind of punishment do I get?????
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Cheers for a great post, man! Looking forward to the answer, keep us posted!
Then again: The Devs never really cares about EU, so they might just leave us all alone. For once it might be a good thing for some I guess! 
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It's not an exploit!!
things like /stuck while in the corner of Sirens that TP's you inside villain base. THAT is an exploit, killing mobe for the xp that they devs set is NOT an exploit.
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its the same kind of exploitment as child labor, while its fun to get given a jumper made by a son or daughter, then getting them to churn out 20 a week for you is exploitation.
Unfair manipulation of a system thereof for unwarranted gain.
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They could have removed MA from live servers till they figured out how to fix it.
They did that to other things too:
Anyone remember Cathedral of Pain and Items of Power ?
It was broken an removed from game only some weeks after release.....never to come back........
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With the Architect Edition box set, I expect it would have looked pretty bad to remove the big selling point from the game.
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It's not an exploit!!
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You don't get to decide that.
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Yeah - if the devs say something is an exploit, then it is an exploit.
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Exactly.
Personally, the whole ban thing...it sounds like a lot of bark but I do suspect no bite, it's possibly an empty threat or greatly reduced threat, though I wouldn't be surprised if that was indeed the case but...
1) Retroactively ban peoples characters, most likely a LOT of peoples characters, causing a [censored] storm and for the whole thing to blow up in Posi's chubby little face (hey I'm a large guy myself, I'm allowed to make fat jokes)...
or
2) Make the threat, follow it through on those that did 1-50 in an ungodly time, show people that you're doing it but not in an overtly harsh manner and then use it proactively after the announcement.
Option number 2 seems like the better way to follow things...
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If you dont want people to exploit the game then dont implement an update with such massive scope for exploitation. Im sick of being talked too like a child like this. I pay you the money, you make the game, I play it any way I enjoy, pay you money again, ensure I am respectful to others. full stop. Do they really want me to leave after all this time?
I pay my money, I play the game as I wish within the boundaries of common decency.
What next? Banning people for being to eager to get xp, joining too many teams, talking to too many people? Banning books?
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Rubbish, wouldnt stand up in court a good lawyer would walk all over that.
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It's not an exploit!!
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Yes I do.
It doesnt break the EULA, Its not an exploit!
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LOL, this is awesome So much [censored] being spouted by people who have no clue
Srsly, like the Devs are going to perma-ban someone for getting an extra level or 2
It's far more likely they will have a "sliding scale of naughtiness" - lvl 1-50 in 4 hours on one toon, get a warning, do it again and again, you get your character locked or deleted.
Create a mission that's all the same mob that's known for farming once, get a warning and possibly the mission arc locked, do it again and again and get them all locked
Sheesh, it's not like the devs will come in screaming ZOMG THAT'S A FARMING MAP YOU WILL DIE IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY FOR THIS *bannage powah* for one mission
Simple concept really, these are the rules of the game, the devs don't want you to do farming/pling to this extent.....so don't do it
You don't like it, leave, makes more room for people who actually like playing the game still
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Leif_Roar~Not as such, but there is this bit:
"You agree that NC Interactive may take whatever steps it deems necessary to abridge, or prevent behavior of any sort on the Service in its sole discretion, without notice to you."
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And I reserve the right to cancel my subscriptions, yes all 4 of them if I feel that their rules and regulations are unjust and the issue is their own fault
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Bye!
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Golden Girl~But there was a warning in the MA patch notes:
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NCsoft reserves the right to ban any missions that contain any exploits that provide unintended statistical advantages. Players and/or "authors" that advertise exploitable missions through our forums, in-game chat system or through the Mission Architect system may be banned from the Mission Architect System or may have their game account closed.
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Yes deleting arcs that they deem abusive is fine, that is correcting something they deem as abusive and issuing the user with a warning, stripping rewards that have already been gained is out of order!
That would be like giving your employees a bonus for hitting a target, and then taking it back because too many of them hit it. You would be sitting in that office on your own.!!! Are you listening posi!!!
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So, as I read this, I see that you believe that using in-game exploits is entirely appropriate and correct, despite clicking "I Agree" to an EULA that says you won't do it? I think removing awards that have been inappropriately gained is entirely correct.
But don't let that stop you leaving, if you want to go.
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