Hahahaha 
I just love the seriousnes of some replies, sarcasm just does not transfer to the typed word in any way at all.
Tbh, I enjoy this game the way it is because even though I have 100's character, and only 10 50's 
, I still have a lot to experiance in the game.
Brutes, SS/WP, Done, Fire/Fire, Done, Stone/Stone, Done, EM/EA, Done, MA/SR in progress, Axe/WP in progress, SS/Inv in progress, Dark/Dark in progress, EM/WP in progress etc etc etc....and thats just a few of them.
So you see, although I have a few /WP in the brute section, and a 50 WP/SS tank and 50 MA/WP Scrapper I don't think they're the be all to end all(little joke there).
All of the sets are good, all have good stuff in them,ALL are good. Some are suited to solo play more than others but isn't this a MMO, we're supposed to team a little bit at least, thats how it's designed. And I can't remember the ammount of times I've seen a /WP go down to Alphas that they have no "OH Fook" power to counteract.
So to sum up, It's a game, it's supposed to be fun, and if you can't spot sarcasm with all the CAPS and 
in it, don't bother.
Sarcasm? What sarcasm? >.>
-Applies nerfhammer...to the thread- 
For the lolz, my friends, for the lolz.
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Londoner, you seem to be implying that there is some sadistic pleasure people get from nerfing a toon that is overpowered. I think the usual feeling is regret.
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I dont know what you get out of it mate, it's not me calling for more un needed nerfs.
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Im not either, Im calling for needed nerfs. And, once again, in conjunction with needed buffs.
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I seem to remember your last cause to champion because it was going to totally flatten the game was farming.
What happened to that?
I can see a pattern forming here, maybe we should just get on and let people play how they like, how someone having a well performing char (except in pvp) is effecting you is beyond me, they have been here from day dot, they aint killed the game, leave things alone.
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Well, we just have to disagree then. I see effects of changes on the game as a whole, you say if it doesnt individually bother you,or I,or one individual, let it be. Cant see we are going to resolve this one.
However, would you concede that every MMORPG strives to balance sets / ATs? They may allocate different levels of resources to this process of course. YOu may wish to construct an argument that no (or less) resources should be spent (going against the veiw of every MMORPG, but if thats your corner you should fight it), or you may wish to say state how you would like this process to occur (in my veiw, both nerfs and buffs).
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Me, id like to see 90% of resources spent on new content and the rest fixing bugs.
I just dont think that what you are putting forward as a reason for a major power revamp is worth the expense this late in a games life. I dont think that many people care about some chars doing better than others.
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Firstly, a "nerf"isnt a mahor revamp, Simplt shaving off 10% of recharge or damage from something is extremely simple in terms of resources.
Secondly, what you and I completely agreeon is resources should be spent on new content. WIth you entroiely there. If you dont, game dies.
However, am of the opinion (shared I think by every other MMORPG) that investing small amounts of resources in balancing garners greater amounts of resources in the long term. i.e. by balancing you maintain or increase player base, and hence increase available resources.
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that's all fine and good congrats you've solved the problem of ss/wp now fix my DB/WP as his damage has dropped and that recharge debuff has made my combos harder to pull off
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I notice that the pro nerfs haven't answered this 
Quote from The Mess but I'd be in the same boat.
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that's all fine and good congrats you've solved the problem of ss/wp now fix my DB/WP as his damage has dropped and that recharge debuff has made my combos harder to pull off
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I notice that the pro nerfs haven't answered this
Quote from The Mess but I'd be in the same boat.
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Roll another secondary ?
Learn to deal with drawbacks ?
if you were /da you would have insane end probs and medicore resists+ kb hole
if ou were fire you would have no psi res at all, no kb prot and no real immob protection
if you were elec you would not have a heal and mezz prot only working when grounded
if you were EA ... oh well :-)
if you were Stone you would have the same problem.
If stone gets major drawbacks for beeing very survivable, then WP with no abvious holes should have drawbacks too.
Every set should have its weak spots that compensate for its strenghts, and as far as i can see every secondary got drawbacks apart from WP.
What i dont understand is, why ppl always want sets that are excellent in every aspect without any weak spots.
At least for me, running around as a demigod without any challenge in game is not much fun.
making overall diff for everyone harder wouldnt help either, cause ceratin sets would still be much better while others which are no very good atm would become totally useless.
Or just shave 10% of its resistance / defence / andor regen.
No need to add a hole, just deplete slightly what it is has.
NB: Providing of course its is unequivical WP requiresmerfing. I stongly suspect so but it must be beyond reasonable doubt.
Or just proliferate regen to brutes, then no one would play WP anymore! (apart from concept reasons)
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Londoner, you seem to be implying that there is some sadistic pleasure people get from nerfing a toon that is overpowered. I think the usual feeling is regret.
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I dont know what you get out of it mate, it's not me calling for more un needed nerfs.
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Im not either, Im calling for needed nerfs. And, once again, in conjunction with needed buffs.
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There not needed though, because in this case in to not the powerset, but people's perception that is at fault. (and next month there will be an all new fotm).
How many players actually know that Dark Melee and War Mace got major buffs in issue 13? Buffs don't work, because players tend to only notice nerfs.
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When I started being able to solo AV's on my DM I kinda picked up on it, but I didn't believe it would make a big difference until I tried it (please note if you're a nerfophile Fire Melee, claws and DB still do it slightly quicker than DM)
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They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
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Or just proliferate regen to brutes, then no one would play WP anymore! (apart from concept reasons)
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I would, regen's too easy to play, I doze off
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They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
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Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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Hi mate, see things haven't changed around here
NERF THEM ALL, LET THE HAMPSTERS AND KITTENS SORT THEM OUT!!!
Then the Smurfs can make some burgers
Hahahaha!!!
WP/SS Tank's are fun, SS/WP Brutes are fun.....Brutes are fun, Doms are fun, Corr's are fun, in fact I find all AT's powersets combos fun so nerf them all. That'd give me more time to see my family......
So leave them all alone, I like the game the way it is.
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If nerfing the sets means more time with family I suggest we all adopt a no nerf policy
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I think we should nerf WP. It's overpowered.
Also nerf SS, evidently it is OVAPOWARD.
Nerfing IOs would also be a good idea because they let us stretch outside the limits of our powersets. SRSLY!
I CALL NERFFFFFFFF!
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Seriously though, having played both WP and SS to 50 I never found SS to be *that* much overpowered. WP on the other hand, I dont think I ever had any difficulties against anything anywhere between levels 16 to 50.
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i think we should nerf . way too powerful in the hands of golden girl
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Londoner, you seem to be implying that there is some sadistic pleasure people get from nerfing a toon that is overpowered. I think the usual feeling is regret.
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I dont know what you get out of it mate, it's not me calling for more un needed nerfs.
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Im not either, Im calling for needed nerfs. And, once again, in conjunction with needed buffs.
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I seem to remember your last cause to champion because it was going to totally flatten the game was farming.
What happened to that?
I can see a pattern forming here, maybe we should just get on and let people play how they like, how someone having a well performing char (except in pvp) is effecting you is beyond me, they have been here from day dot, they aint killed the game, leave things alone.
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Well, we just have to disagree then. I see effects of changes on the game as a whole, you say if it doesnt individually bother you,or I,or one individual, let it be. Cant see we are going to resolve this one.
However, would you concede that every MMORPG strives to balance sets / ATs? They may allocate different levels of resources to this process of course. YOu may wish to construct an argument that no (or less) resources should be spent (going against the veiw of every MMORPG, but if thats your corner you should fight it), or you may wish to say state how you would like this process to occur (in my veiw, both nerfs and buffs).
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Me, id like to see 90% of resources spent on new content and the rest fixing bugs.
I just dont think that what you are putting forward as a reason for a major power revamp is worth the expense this late in a games life. I dont think that many people care about some chars doing better than others.
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Firstly, a "nerf"isnt a mahor revamp, Simplt shaving off 10% of recharge or damage from something is extremely simple in terms of resources.
Secondly, what you and I completely agreeon is resources should be spent on new content. WIth you entroiely there. If you dont, game dies.
However, am of the opinion (shared I think by every other MMORPG) that investing small amounts of resources in balancing garners greater amounts of resources in the long term. i.e. by balancing you maintain or increase player base, and hence increase available resources.
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I dont think any more "balancing" will maintain or increase anything, in fact i think it will do the opposite.
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Why, that would be like taking away Superman's cape... or Cap'n America's Shield... or, or,... Batman's Shark-Repellant Bat Spray!
(and as an added side-note to the OP, this thread has actually made me roll up a SS/WP Brute because I wanted to see what all the fuss what even about )
I give up. I can't be bothered to argue with smug, self-certain fanatics.
Anyone arguing against the OP is as likely to convert them as they are likely to convert the Pope to Judaism. For the same reason, too. Smug certainty is unassailable when it comes from having seen "the truth", and just leads to circular, irritating arguments.
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So if i get this right... in order to make Super Strength less powerful, you want to nerf Willpower. But in doing so, that will also nerf all other primaries, so in order to enjoy the other primaries you want people to not roll willpower as secondary.
Sorry but are you seriously listening to yourself or just typing out random sentences?
OK, I have been readingn this thread for a day or two and I'd just like to say that A BUFF OR NERF IS NOT NEEDED. Feel free to disagree. Both SS and WP are good sets, combined they are even better - but they are not seriously overpowered and buffing/nerfing would be a last resort, it always is.
Some people in this forum should take a chill pill, look, this is about as reasonable as saying Theo Walcott is not as good as Wayne Rooney so we should pump Theo Walcott with steorids. SS and WP will be better or worse than what's on the tin depending on how played. So will Theo Walcott and Wayne Rooney. (I would've used Scottish footballers but you wouldn't know them, meh)
At the end of the day, with Enhancements, the potential is there - to make a set as weak or powerful as you want. As I said before, nerfing/buffing is a last resort. This may sound lazy of the devs, although the players can play the powersets at the level they want and not criticise the devs for making a change they don't like.
tl;dr - how powerful or weak a set is is mostly in the player's hands.
Oh and by the way in repliance to Toerag converting the Pope to Islam is possible, people have changed religions before and it still goes on now, it's commonplace.
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You mean: The OP doesn't want to see a knife anywhere near their genitals?
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Oh and by the way in repliance to Toerag converting the Pope to Islam is possible, people have changed religions before and it still goes on now, it's commonplace.
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Oh and by the way in repliance to Toerag converting the Pope to Islam is possible, people have changed religions before and it still goes on now, it's commonplace.
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God wills it
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God wills that Shockwave be tied to a chair and smacked hard.
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You mean: The OP doesn't want to see a knife anywhere near their genitals?
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Eh heh heh...not funny...let's keep it family friendly, alright
People convert, Popes more rarely.
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So if i get this right... in order to make Super Strength less powerful, you want to nerf Willpower. But in doing so, that will also nerf all other primaries, so in order to enjoy the other primaries you want people to not roll willpower as secondary.
Sorry but are you seriously listening to yourself or just typing out random sentences?
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I never said to make SS less powerfull i want WP nerfed.
I said both sets overperform compared to others and as a combo they overperforms even more.
Atm i am working on a table of brute primaries and compare damg rech aoes etc, to show it.
Everyone with Mids could easily check it, but i guess noone wants to, cause it would proof my point :-)
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I give up. I can't be bothered to argue with smug, self-certain fanatics.
Anyone arguing against the OP is as likely to convert them as they are likely to convert the Pope to Judaism. For the same reason, too. Smug certainty is unassailable when it comes from having seen "the truth", and just leads to circular, irritating arguments.
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Ignorance is as bad as smug, self-certain fanatics....
Btw you didnt argue at any time at all...you just say all i do is make false statements....proof that i am wrong pls and where i am wrong.
WHy dont you just open your Mids Hero designer and check the numbers for SS attacks with double stacked rage compared to the other primaries attacks, and come here again and post that i am wrong and where i am wrong,when i say SS outperforms all other sets ?
Maybe because you prefer to be rude and ignorant before risking to see that i am maybe right ?
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I give up. I can't be bothered to argue with smug, self-certain fanatics.
Anyone arguing against the OP is as likely to convert them as they are likely to convert the Pope to Judaism. For the same reason, too. Smug certainty is unassailable when it comes from having seen "the truth", and just leads to circular, irritating arguments.
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Ignorance is as bad as smug, self-certain fanatics....
Btw you didnt argue at any time at all...you just say all i do is make false statements....proof that i am wrong pls and where i am wrong.
WHy dont you just open your Mids Hero designer and check the numbers for SS attacks with double stacked rage compared to the other primaries attacks, and come here again and post that i am wrong and where i am wrong,when i say SS outperforms all other sets ?
Maybe because you prefer to be rude and ignorant before risking to see that i am maybe right ?
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Or maybe he dont drive himself mad worrying about things that dont effect him, and just plays the game.
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Would it be possible to make the other armor sets more casual-friendly without overpowering them or wrecking the game?
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It would but only if the emphasis was instead placed on the challenges we face...enemy AI, situational bonuses and more. Rather than contiually tinker with the same few things over and over we should look to expand the scope of the game in a way that sees a general progression for all characters. You cant have a conitual evolution of powers when the world you weild them in is stagnant and out of date.