Londoner

Originally Posted by aleph_EU

I have to admit that being based in Germany I don't recall that I ever suffered much from lag. But now I do. Yesterday's play session on the almost deserted server Zukunft was pretty choppy. I don't want to imagine how it must have been on the English servers which indicated their business upon login with two yellowish dots on the login screen.

I really hope that the servers weren't moved to appease the English players whose ISPs seem to have a notorious bad routing to German servers, while at the same time forgetting about all the real European players.

In case it was a resource constraint maybe someone could assign the same amount of resources to Zukunft as they are assigned to the English and American servers? Please?

Originally Posted by Soul Storm

You should totally link the devs to this see if they can get some official presence over there!

Originally Posted by fatalnova

bit pissed that they didnt answer any questions on the razer comp about how GR will be promoted in europe or how they will increase our player base there just uptight wankers

Originally Posted by fatalnova

that was from tuesday late tuesday evening got it in my inbox but dont know how to quote emails

Originally Posted by Sapphic_Neko

Been thinking some on the predicament and one idea i had to expand on the server clone to US. Do that, then made a 5th server called Europe. Give us a free transfer token for each char, and the europeans from all four servers could consolidate on the new europe server. Will bring some issues with duplicate names (i have a ton of duplicates myself), but we could choose to put some chars on some of the US servers if we'd like to. And once everyone moved away, close down the old EU servers.

Perhaps not ideal, but it would let us keep our nice EU community for those who want it, and it might be a fairly populated server with all four servers on it. And who knows. maybe some US players who have work schedules which would coincide with our primetime could come and make chars on the new eu server.

It's an idea i personally would like. Would also give a nice possibility to get in touch with US people from the forums we've gotten to know now and play with them.

Originally Posted by Ironblade

I think you are under the very common misapprehension (among people who don't live here) that "New York City" = "the borough of Manhattan".

New York City is comprised of 5 counties (AKA boroughs). Most of Staten Island and Queens pretty much are suburban.

Also, as someone who has lived in NY City his entire life, I have to agree that driving in and out of "the city" (i.e. Manhattan) is not much fun (except on the weekends, when most of Manhattan is a ghost town).

Given the sheer size of NYC, and the variability in transportation convenience, just where are your relatives located? Not looking for the exact address, obviously, just in general terms: upper west side of Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn, etc.

Originally Posted by NobleFox

Are you seriously suggesting that they knowingly take a loss on distribution to markets that just aren't interested so a few dozen folks can have boxes?

I mean I love White Castle Hamburgers, but every time they try to open one in Montana, it fails within 3 months so they've stopped trying, and now we can only get the frozen storebought version of the burgers. Does this mean I am in the right suggesting that they keep a branch open here anyway despite the horrendous losses each time, or should I be happy that I can at LEAST get the frozen version still?

I'm sure if you send an email to NCSoft asking nicely if you can purchase a box and have it shipped overseas they will be happy to comply. It's a LOT better then demanding they post a huge loss or "lose your business". Your $15 a month is not going to pay for shipping and distribution of a product that has (if I understood what I read in a trade mag about a year ago about CoH in Europe), historically speaking, has _never_ made a profit in your market?

You say CoH is taking a big dump on Europeans? Fine.

Let's bear in mind that Europeans actually dumped on them first by making every attempt to distribute CoX an utter failure.

Originally Posted by Bull Throttle

1) Yes I know. Low population on the main servers equates to insignificant population on the test server, was the point I was attempting to make.
2) I logged on a couple of times on each server between 8:30-10:30, Saturday night - I would consider that prime-time. This might not be the 'best time' but it's when I wanted to play ie - it was the best time for me. I'd left one of my alts - on Defiant - near the IP entrance in King's Row, I flew to the Atlas statue and saw ONE other player.
3) and they're important to me too. I have serveral names I'm very attached to; several level 50's; a couple of SG bases; a pile of inf. It took me a while to realise that although they're a large part of what I enjoy about the game, they're not as important to me than other things. In an ideal world Defiant & Union would still be my servers of choice; I don't live in that world.
4) I've waited a long time...long enough, I really don't think they will, which is why I've jumped. I'm still hopeful that the thing they're working on to address this stuff actually works; if it does I'll be back.

I'm not arguing the "OMG teh EU Servers are dead" line - having been accused of that in the past when all I've said was they were "getting a bit quiet" I'm well aware that there is a loyal community on these servers. I'm aware there are lots of people who play every night and find teams, but I didn't. I ended up teaming with the same people all the time. I didn't find many (non-farm) PUGs when I left a year ago and I don't see why that would be any different now.

All I'm saying is:
I like PUGs more than all the stuff keeping me on the EU servers - I like broadcasting 'lvl x lft' and getting a team; for me personally this is one of the main attractions of this game and always has been.

I guess I don't really like 'the european family feel'; I don't like everyone on the server knowing me, or me knowing everyone, it feels like living in a village.

Sorry if anyone finds this offensive, it really wasn't meant to be.

Originally Posted by The_Thorny_Devil

/facepalm

Originally Posted by Coin

Originally Posted by The_Thorny_Devil

50 players? LMFAO! There are a lot more then that.

Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker

I think one thing maybe we don't give enough attention to is "Server community" - it does seem that Defiant has a very cool community and several others do also but I can't comment on others - and yes we would need to be careful about not losing that IMO

Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury

You've completely deluded yourself that they are exempt of all fault. They didn't help matters by slowly disintegrating what was EU in the first place. If the future lies that we will go, I wish they would do it now. They've been dragging our corpse through the desert, milking us for every ounce of blood.

Fury

Originally Posted by Shadowe

No. Please, no. Merge the server lists, sure, so that EU players can create characters on the US servers and vice-versa, but I would like Union to retain the identity that it has.