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Make rage unstackable would be a start.
And dont tell me that would gimp the chars....there was no stackable rage before sets came out without outside buffs and SS was doing fine.
Add some debuffs to WP like Stone gets them.
Like a - dmg or - rech on RTTC.
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Um you weren't here before ED were you and if you were you clearly missed the good old 6 slot rage for recharge and six slot hasten for recharge tactic.
and before you point out that ED nerfed this ED was brought in so that inventions could be added one replaced the other all be it with a few issues between them.
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To much to read but this post i feel needs a comment so...
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR TINY MIND!!!!!
asking for nerfs is just so dum they need to put you back in your rubber room i think, if this game gets any more so called balance its going to fall of its scales and crash into pool of total c r a p
Someone call the police and tell them a nutter called Moghedien is on the lose
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Very mature indeed and so informative :-)
Quite so, perma-rage was standard practice prior to ED.
I really should do something about this signature.
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ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR TINY MIND!!!!!
asking for nerfs is just so dum they need to put you back in your rubber room i think, if this game gets any more so called balance its going to fall of its scales and crash into pool of total c r a p
Someone call the police and tell them a nutter called Moghedien is on the lose
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How many players actually know that Dark Melee and War Mace got major buffs in issue 13? Buffs don't work, because players tend to only notice nerfs.
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Random, non-answerable question followed by absolute decree.
Given the number of Warshades and Peacebringers I've seen in teams over the last month I'd say plenty of people notice buffs.
They just don't shout as loudly here about it really.
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Sure, lots of people know about the keldian buffs, it was widly publicised.
But the buffs to Dark and WM where slipped in with no indication of just how substantial they where.
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More that only well advertised buffs get noticed?
Surely then its more to do with how those changes were rolled out and advertised (I actually made a DM/WP Brute because of them) rather than the fact that players are blind to buffs in general and only get excited about nerfs?
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13 pages of people being very very very against more nerfing.
2 people in favor of more nerf experimentations.
Seems that the majority is against it for one reason or another.
As am I. I love my ss/wp brute. The first brute that I actually was able to level beyond 20.
Don't wield the nerf hammer. One balancing fiasco is quite enough for now thank you.
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In my opinion and in the opinion of about 30 players i know ingame SS/WP is the best combo for brutes.
Of course they dont want it nerfed, but they admit its OP.
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And that mate, is the sensible way to look at it. Listen to your 30 mates, you are in the minority.
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Oh do shut up you total a s s , i bet your a right chav in RL or live on a council est going out with a girl called shaz, your a bigger waste of space than gorden brown.
Now jog on before i have to get real nasty with you
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Guess that will be one of your last posts before they ban your account on the forums for some time......
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Oh do shut up you total a s s , i bet your a right chav in RL or live on a council est going out with a girl called shaz, your a bigger waste of space than gorden brown.
Now jog on before i have to get real nasty with you
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Guess that will be one of your last posts before they ban your account on the forums for some time......
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I can but hope, the lesson here is though dont call me names on the forums or i will throw it back worse
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In my opinion and in the opinion of about 30 players i know ingame SS/WP is the best combo for brutes.
Of course they dont want it nerfed, but they admit its OP.
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And that mate, is the sensible way to look at it. Listen to your 30 mates, you are in the minority.
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Actually I may have read that different to you, Londoner. I read it as his 30 acquaintances know that it is overpowered and so should be nerfed/lowered in power, but none of them want that to happen as they enjoy being overpowered.
If something is overpowered then really it should be considered for a reduction in strength - the word overpowered pretty much states that.
The simple fact is that the combination only appears overpowered to a minority - and then partly because they are only considering certain aspects/scenarios in which the combination excels. To everyone else it's probably seen as highpowered with some weaknesses comparative to other combinations - which many combinations are without being overpowered.
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I can but hope, the lesson here is though dont call me names on the forums or i will throw it back worse
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You know very well who started to get rude.....
And she never called you names, even the ones who disagree with the thread can see that.
Anyway i hope they close this thread as ppl are getting to emotional, over a GAME rofl....
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Every mmopg is in a constant state of nerfing, buffing, improving different classes, sets.
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Can't believe this redundant thread is still going!
Primarily because theres constant pressure from people who what a quick fix to a problem they can't actually be bothered to understand properly.
Many more people here disagree with your 'facts' and even more with your approach to solve this 'problem', than agree.
Nerfing dogma has never ever produced perfect balance in any game anywhere...
Even if there was numerical balance, stylistic and relative complexity arguments would rage between people who will take the time to understand and those who want a simple and quick route into the game.
Even if what you say is absolutely true the vague and sweping changes you suggest would be devastating to other build combinations.
Even if it is true and a nerf is applied there would still be a.n.other build combination that was best for brutes and all the same pressure would apply.
Even if new players are put off by weak build....its that build that is at fault, not some other build of which they have no knowledge and have yet to experience.
With the exception of PvP you have produced no argument to suggest why your view of this matter, right or wrong should produce ANY action.
After 5 years of the same calls over and over, isnt it time we all learned to approach these kinds of issues in a positive and proactive way rather than the miserable negative demand that everything be dragged down to the weakest of the weak!
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In my opinion and in the opinion of about 30 players i know ingame SS/WP is the best combo for brutes.
Of course they dont want it nerfed, but they admit its OP.
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And that mate, is the sensible way to look at it. Listen to your 30 mates, you are in the minority.
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Actually I may have read that different to you, Londoner. I read it as his 30 acquaintances know that it is overpowered and so should be nerfed/lowered in power, but none of them want that to happen as they enjoy being overpowered.
If something is overpowered then really it should be considered for a reduction in strength - the word overpowered pretty much states that.
The simple fact is that the combination only appears overpowered to a minority - and then partly because they are only considering certain aspects/scenarios in which the combination excels. To everyone else it's probably seen as highpowered with some weaknesses comparative to other combinations - which many combinations are without being overpowered.
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I read that as his 30 whatevers were quite happy with things the way they are, leave it alone.
One persons overpowered is another persons well made char is another persons average char is another persons brutes are [censored] im making a corruptor.
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I loved to play CoX for a long time now and i always loved the diversity of powers, but lately its starting to get dull.
95% of all brutes are SS/WP.
There is really no reason to roll other combos apart from SS/WP, since SS is the best st AND aoe damg primary and WP is by far the best seconadry.
ALL other primaries and secondaries suck compared to those 2.
I am no fan of nerfs but SS needed a nerf a long time ago, like reduced radius of FS and non stackable rage.
Nothing comes close to WP in survivability.
Granite tanks/brutes have to deal with - rech, - dmg and almost no run speed to compensate the lvl of survivability.
WP has even better survivability with NO downsides at all.
I know ppl dont like nerfs but its a question of balance and reason.
IMO those 2 sets need to be toned down in order to not make others set meaningless.
P.S: I got a SS/Wp too :-)
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If this ever happened it would be another reason to leave in my book. The nerfed my eng/wp brute i used to love and who comes out rarely so nerfing wp will finish this toon off my only other brute I enjoy playing is my ss/fire. if you then go and neff this bye bye brutes for me. As I'm a big fan of melee and prefer villains to heroes my playing time will come down to such an extend it would not be worth me playing at all.
Calling for nerfs on 2 sets because they are the currant flavor is not the way to as it will effect more than just the toons you are aiming at.
It would appear form your stating that you love this game and as a lover of this game you should want others to stay not pee them off to such an extent they leave.
I know some others threaten to leave at a drop of a hat but you can check my other post and you will see that I have never wanted to leave even after the [censored] with eng.
Anyone calling for a nerf on anything is bound to get the forum hopping mad. If this was your real intent rather than a assassination of others fun then you have achieved this puerile attempt at winding other forum uses up.
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Which is why I said the combination only appears overpowered to a minority.
All goes back to the only people who know the real score are the devs when they datamine and see how all ATs/sets/combinations perform in various situations.
Handily, these are the people to implement any necessary changes and they want the game to be a success - so I'd guess that the true info is in the best hands possible, leaving bored minds to argue about distorted perceptions and call for unneeded changes.
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Hi mate, see things haven't changed around here 
NERF THEM ALL, LET THE HAMPSTERS AND KITTENS SORT THEM OUT!!!
Then the Smurfs can make some burgers 
Hahahaha!!!
WP/SS Tank's are fun, SS/WP Brutes are fun.....Brutes are fun, Doms are fun, Corr's are fun, in fact I find all AT's powersets combos fun so nerf them all. That'd give me more time to see my family......
So leave them all alone, I like the game the way it is.
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Hi mate, see things haven't changed around here
NERF THEM ALL, LET THE HAMPSTERS AND KITTENS SORT THEM OUT!!!
Then the Smurfs can make some burgers
Hahahaha!!!
WP/SS Tank's are fun, SS/WP Brutes are fun.....Brutes are fun, Doms are fun, Corr's are fun, in fact I find all AT's powersets combos fun so nerf them all. That'd give me more time to see my family......
So leave them all alone, I like the game the way it is.
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Hello mate long time no see
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The simple fact is that the combination only appears overpowered to a minority - and then partly because they are only considering certain aspects/scenarios in which the combination excels. To everyone else it's probably seen as highpowered with some weaknesses comparative to other combinations - which many combinations are without being overpowered.
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^^This.
My SS/WP Brute for example excels at soloing. A thing I like about her as I use her mainly to solo a lot. Just as my Stone/stone tank loves to call AV's and GM's wicked names and laugh at their attemtps to hurt her. I know for a fact that stone stone tank is NOT a good soloer and I doubt that my Brute would be able to deal with the hurt that my stony deals with so much ease.
I remember a TF (think it was itf) where we had a stone brute and everybody was praising the brute for being able to tank anything that was thrown at us and make it look so easy to boot as well. No way that my SS/Wp could have done that. I tried and failed miserably.
Welcome back!
I really should do something about this signature.
I've been playing on the other side of the pond a lot, but got a Dom to 39 so far this past week, and a new corr to 22.
Tell me is Ice/Ice to powerful for Dom's and should be nerfed
And is Nrg/Pain the new fotm....the KB has been fun, but at least I can heal the Brute as they run into the next mob on follow
I'm on here a few nights a week now to
So see you on for a few missions 
Not to take any side on the nerfherding debate, but saying "leave things as they are" is rather silly. Sticking to an unchanging status quo is only possible if everything is perfectly balanced in all ways. Is it? No. And I can say this objectively.
I have to admit, I do honestly think that Foot Stomp in particular is stupidly overpowered. The rest of SS seems okay.
And WP... Well, I dunno. It doesn't have any weaknesses relevant to casual gameplay, and I daresay most MMORPG players are casual gamers. Thus it appears good at everything, and is the most popular secondary. As it appears uber for these reasons, word-of-mouth and recommendations cause the effect to spread. The regen could maybe use a tiny toning-down, but I'm not sure it's necessary.
Would it be possible to make the other armor sets more casual-friendly without overpowering them or wrecking the game?
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I loved to play CoX for a long time now and i always loved the diversity of powers, but lately its starting to get dull.
95% of all brutes are SS/WP.
There is really no reason to roll other combos apart from SS/WP, since SS is the best st AND aoe damg primary and WP is by far the best seconadry.
ALL other primaries and secondaries suck compared to those 2.
I am no fan of nerfs but SS needed a nerf a long time ago, like reduced radius of FS and non stackable rage.
Nothing comes close to WP in survivability.
Granite tanks/brutes have to deal with - rech, - dmg and almost no run speed to compensate the lvl of survivability.
WP has even better survivability with NO downsides at all.
I know ppl dont like nerfs but its a question of balance and reason.
IMO those 2 sets need to be toned down in order to not make others set meaningless.
P.S: I got a SS/Wp too :-)
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To much to read but this post i feel needs a comment so...
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR TINY MIND!!!!!
asking for nerfs is just so dum they need to put you back in your rubber room i think, if this game gets any more so called balance its going to fall of its scales and crash into pool of total c r a p
Someone call the police and tell them a nutter called Moghedien is on the lose