I suspect if you had to wait till i13 they'd still be the same and you'd be saying, would rather they did it right and bought them in in i14.
powers are powers, I'd rather have a fun and different AT to play than a one with pretty animations and not much else.
In other words animations get old...choosing your career path and playing something different is a fun world trip all the way to 50 (poss beyond)
***NB*** I haven't even touched I12 yet so the new AT's could be clunkly and boring but who knows since it's not even out yet....I am purely using my powers of speculation!
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I was really looking forward to the VEATs for years now, but......
after seeing the video i was very dissapointed:
Most powers seem to be exact copies of powers ingame for 4 years already.
At least they could have made new animations or changed the colour of all the psi, mid powers fortunatas or nightwidows get.
In my opinion a brandnew powerset should at least have 70% new unique animations or looks.
Maybe they play different than other ATs but it will still look the same.
Kheldians at least have really unique powers.
I would have gladly waited for VEATs till I13, if that gave the devs more time to develop new or cooler poweranimations, than just reuse existing ones.
I am not talking about how they will play, maybe they are fun , i only talk about the look of the powers.
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Can I ask where you have seen ALL of the VEAT powers?
We've only seen a handful of powers, hardly enough to go crying around the boards with.
Although I guess it is in your case.
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I was really looking forward to the VEATs for years now, but......
after seeing the video i was very dissapointed:
Most powers seem to be exact copies of powers ingame for 4 years already.
At least they could have made new animations or changed the colour of all the psi, mid powers fortunatas or nightwidows get.
In my opinion a brandnew powerset should at least have 70% new unique animations or looks.
Maybe they play different than other ATs but it will still look the same.
Kheldians at least have really unique powers.
I would have gladly waited for VEATs till I13, if that gave the devs more time to develop new or cooler poweranimations, than just reuse existing ones.
I am not talking about how they will play, maybe they are fun , i only talk about the look of the powers.
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Handsup if your power set has back mounted artillery and an actual nuceur bomb?
<<looks round>>
Thought so.
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I'd read this thread seriously, were it based on actual time played on test, or the live server.
If the mystery of things to come eludes you, and you're crying because it looks 'boring', then I sigh for you
*reads OP's post*
*watches the I12 VEAT trailer again*
*looks at OP's post in disbelief*
Did you watch the same video?
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*reads OP's post*
*watches the I12 VEAT trailer again*
*looks at OP's post in disbelief*
Did you watch the same video?
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Well maybe watch it again then since ALL the fortunata and nightwidow attacks shown were powers already in game.
If you didnt noticed that by watching the video several times i wonder if you ever saw claws scrappers or stalkers, psi defenders or mind trollers or doms............
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*reads OP's post*
*watches the I12 VEAT trailer again*
*looks at OP's post in disbelief*
Did you watch the same video?
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Well maybe watch it again then since ALL the fortunata and nightwidow attacks shown were powers already in game.
If you didnt noticed that by watching the video several times i wonder if you ever saw claws scrappers or stalkers, psi defenders or mind trollers or doms............
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Animations and effects are recyled all the time in most games, so what's the problem exactly? It saves time.
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*reads OP's post*
*watches the I12 VEAT trailer again*
*looks at OP's post in disbelief*
Did you watch the same video?
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Well maybe watch it again then since ALL the fortunata and nightwidow attacks shown were powers already in game.
If you didnt noticed that by watching the video several times i wonder if you ever saw claws scrappers or stalkers, psi defenders or mind trollers or doms............
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Yes Fortunate and Nightwidow etc... animations are recycled... maybe because they're supposed to match the NPC's of the same name that we're supposed to be part of (faction wise)?
I'm still excited about VEATs even though the powersets are recycled. Why? Because fun isn't all about uniqueness. It's interesting you mention Kheldians.. I found my PB one of the most boring characters to play because it peaks at lvl 18 and the powers after that are all kind of lack lustre (tho' I'm sure FFM will disagree 
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Originally I was excited about playing the Crab Spider, as I'm big tank and brute-o-phile, and this concept seemed to suit that idea quite well. Seeing the video, however has whet my appetite for the others as well!
As a side note, and please don't take this as a personal attack on you, but given the posts of yours I've seen, are you sure CoH is the game for you? You don't appear to like it very much.
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I'd find it really strange if my Nightwiddow's powers were entirely different to the Nightwiddows that have been around since I6. And also disappointing. I guess everyone has a different view on what they should be and they couldn't please everyone. I'm glad they pleased me
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I can see the OP's point to an extent. Yes, we don't have the complete powerlists yet, but the powers we have seen we're arleady very familiar with. If the devs' intention is to sell these EATs to us as something new and unique (a reasonable assumption for marketing a new feature), to chosoe to show us the familiar powers they did is a worrying portent.
This problem is compunded by the fact that VEATs (as yet) don't have any Inherent powers, so these powers are WYSIWYG, there's no hidden slant on them like Scourge or Containment at the mo. Not that this is bad (and I've no doubt the VEATs will get some inherent powers eventually), but it doesn't exactly add to the anticipation.
Add to this the fact that (unlike when Khelds first came along) the fact that these are creatures we've seen in the game for more than 2 years already, so the devs are already working on an uphill slope to make them seem new and different.
(That's my biggest bugbeef with the VEATs personally, I'd rather they had invented a new type of previously-unseen Arachnos soldier for the VEATs, at the very least.)
On the other hand, the more interesting powers simply may not be in a presentable state yet - the more exciting power animations may be bugged still, for example.
Alternatively, the devs may simply have deliberatly chosen to hold back some secret powers. Though that's a bit counter-intuitive for the purposes of a promtional video, but the devs have done non-sensical things before so who knows?
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Maybe thats because Fortunatas and Nightwidows are already in the game?
If they had all new powers they wouldn't match the NPC mobs they are meant to represent.
The appeal of the VEATs is not shiny new powers and unique gameplay. The appeal is wearing the cool uniforms and the the story arcs.
I really should do something about this signature.
That video was showing boring powers? Man, I can't wait to get to level 24.
As per usual for me, story is king, so I don't see this failing, based on the quality of writing in the game since Issue 6.
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I was really looking forward to the VEATs for years now, but......
after seeing the video i was very dissapointed:
Most powers seem to be exact copies of powers ingame for 4 years already.
At least they could have made new animations or changed the colour of all the psi, mid powers fortunatas or nightwidows get.
In my opinion a brandnew powerset should at least have 70% new unique animations or looks.
Maybe they play different than other ATs but it will still look the same.
Kheldians at least have really unique powers.
I would have gladly waited for VEATs till I13, if that gave the devs more time to develop new or cooler poweranimations, than just reuse existing ones.
I am not talking about how they will play, maybe they are fun , i only talk about the look of the powers.
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Have you not been following the "Power Customisation" threads... the reason the powers look the same is because of the arcitecture behind the game, the powers CANNOT be changed without extensive reprogramming.
Also, the video only shows a couple of attacks for each type... dont forget each set has 9 attacks, 18 powers in total (not counting any special powers not yet revealed)
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How about, instead of judging them from a video and a couple of screenshots; you try waiting until we've been able to PLAY them?
After all, you wouldn't judge someone accused of a crime in the newspapers as guilty without a trial, would you?
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One thing I noticed.... at 1:41 on the video...
OMG BANE SPIDER R PEACEBRNGOR! WTFBBQ EXPLAIN!
Umm... did the OP see the same video i just did?
I might be wrong, but surely my bouncing up and down in my chair, giggling with excitement* is a direct indicator of how I12 doesn't look boring.
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After all, you wouldn't judge someone accused of a crime in the newspapers as guilty without a trial, would you?
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More people do than dont, thats why they have reporting restrictions before big media attention trials.
I thought that video was a bit underwhelming to be honest, but only because im making a bane and dont like machine guns particularly.
No point moaning yet though till we all try them.
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After all, you wouldn't judge someone accused of a crime in the newspapers as guilty without a trial, would you?
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More people do than dont, thats why they have reporting restrictions before big media attention trials.
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Yeah, I know. That's why I said it! Use your noodle, boyo! 
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I'm not exactly sure what people were expecting to see once the VEATs had been confirmed as Soldiers Of Arachnos.
Powers, sets and animations that thematically matched and were consistent with the faction are a given are they not?
I like what I've seen so far. I think the style and context of the VEATs are consistent and appropriate to the theme and the development of the sets looks like it's building quite nicely.
If people wanted big flashy alien powers, maybe they should have made more noise about the Nictus .
something ive learned in my time with the game now is it dosnt realy matter what powers you have what you actuly make of the build that makes the difference
and to b honest this isnt far of what i was expecting for the VEATs, admitidly i havent been ingame much this week but when i have all the groups members seem to like the idea of the sets and powers as well as how it works with the mastery thing kicking in at 24 myself included
i think whats wrong is we waited so long which gave it time to build up so much people were expecting a hole lot from this so people were always going to be disapointed no matter what they gave us.
just have to say that considering thay have already worned us this is suposed to be a small issue compared to the next couple im already happy with what they gave us so far and cant way to see whats up next
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Umm what now? oh and here I thought they were just mostly copies of the dark and energy melee, ranged and armor sets with maybe some rad thrown in?
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Handsup if your power set has back mounted artillery and an actual nuceur bomb?
<<looks round>>
Thought so.
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this.
Also it's the combination of the powers that will probably be fun. Crabs look like Blaster/Brutes, Banes MM/Scrapper
Fortuntas Dom/ Defenders and Night Widows Stalker/Psi blaster!
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Well maybe watch it again then since ALL the fortunata and nightwidow attacks shown were powers already in game.
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SO play a crab spider, no AT has most of there attacks! (Or costumes that react to there powers.. NO AT has that!)
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Also it's the combination of the powers that will probably be fun. Crabs look like Blaster/Brutes, Banes MM/Scrapper
Fortuntas Dom/ Defenders and Night Widows Stalker/Psi blaster!
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Banes look like mm/scrappers ?
Cause of the 2 bots they can summon they look like mm ?
Every dom with a patron pet is more mm than that :-P
I was really looking forward to the VEATs for years now, but......
after seeing the video i was very dissapointed:
Most powers seem to be exact copies of powers ingame for 4 years already.
At least they could have made new animations or changed the colour of all the psi, mid powers fortunatas or nightwidows get.
In my opinion a brandnew powerset should at least have 70% new unique animations or looks.
Maybe they play different than other ATs but it will still look the same.
Kheldians at least have really unique powers.
I would have gladly waited for VEATs till I13, if that gave the devs more time to develop new or cooler poweranimations, than just reuse existing ones.
I am not talking about how they will play, maybe they are fun , i only talk about the look of the powers.