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7 fortunata attacks, how many attacks you think there will be 20 ?
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Warshades and Peacebringers have in the region of 26 abilities. Given we've only seen a handful of abilities from the starting powerset, and even less from the specialisation, I'd say there was plenty to come yet.
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7 fortunata attacks, how many attacks you think there will be 20 ?
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Warshades and Peacebringers have in the region of 26 abilities. Given we've only seen a handful of abilities from the starting powerset, and even less from the specialisation, I'd say there was plenty to come yet.
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Kheldians are totally different since you switch between the 3 forms and thus have access to all attacks in all forms.
SoA choose their path thus not having access to all 3 forms.
Even triform kheldians are far from getting 26 attacks, maybe you should check before posting , they got 14, almost half of what you suggested. 
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Kheldians are totally different since you switch between the 3 forms and thus have access to all attacks in all forms.
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No you don't.
You will, however, get access to all the VEAT attacks within your base class and chosen specialisation. No shapeshifting involved.
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SoA choose their path thus not having access to all 3 forms.
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SoA can use all their abilities without having to faff around in forms.
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Even triform kheldians are far from getting 26 attacks, maybe you should check before posting , they got 14, almost half of what you suggested.
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Maybe you should understand my post before responding.
I said they get around 26 abilities in total, which is true. Oh, and to bring things up to speed. There are seven re-used powers, but the original ones you missed out on:
Darts shot from the hands.
A larger, single shot dart from the hands.
Claw attacks that animate a costume piece(!) when activated.
The Omega ability.
Bane Spider summons (if summoning something is a "recycled" ability, then every offensive ability is recycled because it does damage).
A thrust attack with the completely unique, VEAT-only rifle.
Ranged attacks from the Crab Spider arms that do energy damage.
Ranged attacks from the Crab arms that appear to do lethal damage.
So far, then, there's more unique abilities than recycled ones.
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You will, however, get access to all the VEAT attacks within your base class and chosen specialisation. No shapeshifting involved.
SoA can use all their abilities without having to faff around in forms.
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Sry but your wrong check the US forum or watch the video again, you DONT get access to all base form attacks, its cleary said in the video for fortunatas.
As for your comments about crab spiders and bane spiders, i never ever said a thing about about their attacks, the whole post is only about fortunatas and nightwidows.
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Bane Spider summons (if summoning something is a "recycled" ability, then every offensive ability is recycled because it does damage).
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Aehm cant see the logic in that argument sry, maybe its not about summoning but about what you summon is new or not ?
Sometimes its not enough to read the last 4 posts of a thread to understand what is is about.
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Sry but your wrong check the US forum or watch the video again, you DONT get access to all base form attacks, its cleary said in the video for fortunatas.
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I have checked the US forum. When you choose a specialisation, all the abilities you've earned so far are kept. The only ones you "lose" are those from the other specialisation. Care to provide a quote that contradicts this?
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As for your comments about crab spiders and bane spiders, i never ever said a thing about about their attacks, the whole post is only about fortunatas and nightwidows.
Sometimes its not enough to read the last 4 posts of a thread to understand what is is about.
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Your original post was about VEATs, only a single line was about the Fortunatas. Maybe you should read your own thread or, even better, understand it.
Sorry bub, but your complaint is weak either way. You're basing your complaints on something that hasn't been fully revealed.
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Praf and a few others are the more sensible posters.
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I don't know which to be more insulted by, being called sensible, or being lumped in the same catagory as FFM!!! 
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Sry but your wrong check the US forum or watch the video again, you DONT get access to all base form attacks, its cleary said in the video for fortunatas.
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I have checked the US forum. When you choose a specialisation, all the abilities you've earned so far are kept. The only ones you "lose" are those from the other specialisation. Care to provide a quote that contradicts this?
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As for your comments about crab spiders and bane spiders, i never ever said a thing about about their attacks, the whole post is only about fortunatas and nightwidows.
Sometimes its not enough to read the last 4 posts of a thread to understand what is is about.
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Your original post was about VEATs, only a single line was about the Fortunatas. Maybe you should read your own thread or, even better, understand it.
Sorry bub, but your complaint is weak either way. You're basing your complaints on something that hasn't been fully revealed.
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In the video they say:
Fortunatas LOOSING their meele abilities to GAIN access to mind powers.
That means they loose their blood widow claw attacks or most of them, not hard to understand.
You cant LOOSE the abilities from other specialisations since THERE ARE NONE.
You can specialize ONCE.
Do you have to repeat the word fortunata in every sentece to make clear what your talking about ? No
My original post was mainly aimed at the nightwidows and fortunatas even if i dared to mention their names only once.
Mybe the title of the thread was badly choosen, it should have been Nightwidows and fortunatas, but if you read the post it should become clear i mentioned it several times.
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In the video they say:
Fortunatas LOOSING their meele abilities to GAIN access to mind powers.
That means they loose their blood widow claw attacks or most of them, not hard to understand.
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Nope, it means they don't get access to the high level Blood/Night Widow attacks, and instead get more Fortunata-based attacks. Just like how if a Warshade specialises in their Squid form, they won't be getting the powers from their Lobster/Woodlouse.
It isn't hard to understand, given the context. Or are you honestly suggesting that an ENTIRE PRIMARY SET OF POWERS would be locked out the moment you picked a specialisation?
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You cant LOOSE the abilities from other specialisations since THERE ARE NONE.
You can specialize ONCE.
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Actually, you do "lose" them. You can't access those abilities, so they're lost. As I said, understand before responding.
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Do you have to repeat the word fortunata in every sentece to make clear what your talking about ? No
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"Elves are typically found in magical forests, watching over the wildlife and other assorted creatures there. Elves tend to be skilled with bow and glaive, tending to the natural world as mystical guardians. Orcs are opposed to them."
If I said my main subject in that paragraph was Orcs, you'd think - rightly - I was mad. It's the same here. Your thread title is about VEATs, and the post only has a single line about Fortunatas.
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My original post was mainly aimed at the nightwidows and fortunatas even if i dared to mention their names only once.
Mybe the title of the thread was badly choosen, it should have been Nightwidows and fortunatas, but if you read the post it should become clear i mentioned it several times.
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Then perhaps you should stop backpedalling and changing your argument every second post? That usually helps people understand your point, even if it is completely wrong.
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Wont argue anymore with you about this since you dont seem to have any idea how SoA will work.
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Right, and FFM carries a svelte figure.
Moghedien seems to be the kinda person that when given a check for 1 million he will complain it's not two million and that the ink is black and not blue...
PS. there is only one O in "lose".
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Moghedien seems to be the kinda person that when given a check for 1 million he will complain it's not two million and that the ink is black and not blue...
PS. there is only one O in "lose".
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Sry english is not my native language.
Maybe provoke some friends instead of trolling the forum ?
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I am saying my opinion about the stuff i have seen í didnt say a word about the powers not shown in the video.
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"In my opinion a brandnew powerset should at least have 70% new unique animations or looks."
Have we seen most of the new powersets? No.
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The are no brand new powersets. there are existing powersets, previously only available to NPCs, that have now been adapted for use by PCs.
I really should do something about this signature.
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The are no brand new powersets. there are existing powersets, previously only available to NPCs, that have now been adapted for use by PCs.
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I don't recall Bane Spiders summoning things, I don't recall Crab Spiders using that Omega ability, I don't remember Arachnos grunts getting access to toxic grenades, I don't remember Widows pumping me full of darts, etc.
Syracuse if you want to be picky about words:
In order to lose something you need to have it first, thats how the word is used normally, no matter how you interpret it, and besides you dont have anymore information how that loss than i do.
Most of the others did understand i was aiming at fortunatas
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Syracuse if you want to be picky about words:
In order to lose something you need to have it first, thats how the word is used normally, no matter how you interpret it, and besides you dont have anymore information how that loss than i do.
Most of the others did understand i was aiming at fortunatas
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You do have access to the specialisation. You just don't take all of them, therefore you lose the others. Don't try pedantic arguments with me, Moggy. I'm well versed in them by this point.
Oh, and "most of the others" already dismantled your arguments, which lead to you flitting between new ones. Those are the ones which I've called you out on.
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In the video they say:
Fortunatas LOOSING their meele abilities to GAIN access to mind powers.
That means they loose their blood widow claw attacks or most of them, not hard to understand.
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The wording used in the video would seem to be misleading here, especially if English is a second language (which tends to lead to literal interpretations).
My understanding is Fortunatas don't lose there low level claw powers at level 24. You just "lose" the high level claw powers and palacate crits that Night Widows get.
I really should do something about this signature.
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Syracuse if you want to be picky about words:
In order to lose something you need to have it first, thats how the word is used normally, no matter how you interpret it, and besides you dont have anymore information how that loss than i do.
Most of the others did understand i was aiming at fortunatas
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You do have access to the specialisation. You just don't take all of them, therefore you lose the others. Don't try pedantic arguments with me, Moggy. I'm well versed in them by this point.
Oh, and "most of the others" already dismantled your arguments, which lead to you flitting between new ones. Those are the ones which I've called you out on.
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Who started beeing pedantic here ?
And my arguments havent been dismantled.
Well its no use to reply to your posts, since all you want is to provoke.
Your opinion is right and the only one that counts Syry, and you know everything about SoA.
Hope you dont have to rewrite your bio in wikipedia when things dont turn out they way you seem to know.
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Who started beeing pedantic here ?
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You when you went on about what "lost" meant.
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And my arguments havent been dismantled.
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Indeed they have. Your complaints are based on a minority of powers, your interpretation of the "lost" comment in the VEAT video is hideously mistaken and you keep making references to posts on the US that don't support your viewpoint at all.
That's dismantled.
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Well its no use to reply to your posts, since all you want is to provoke.
Your opinion is right and the only one that counts Syry, and you know everything about SoA.
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Thank you. I'm glad you've come around to this. The sooner more people do so, the more serene these forums will be.
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Hope you dont have to rewrite your bio in wikipedia when things dont turn out they way you seem to know.
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I don't have a bio on Wikipedia.
^---- THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF BEING PEDANTIC.
Time will tell how the powersets look when I12 get here. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and just wait for it to arrive.
That said im really looking forward to being a minion with the crab pack
I guess I13 heroes will get Longbow and perhaps villains will get something like a EAT in the next year or so...
Longbow - Hero - Kheld
Arachnos - Villain - ??
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Time will tell how the powersets look when I12 get here. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and just wait for it to arrive.
That said im really looking forward to being a minion with the crab pack
I guess I13 heroes will get Longbow and perhaps villains will get something like a EAT in the next year or so...
Longbow - Hero - Kheld
Arachnos - Villain - ??
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Doubtful I think because most Longbow high ups are copies of current Hero AT powerset combos, Inv/EM (or SS), Spines/Regen, Emp/Psi, Ill/FF, etc. I suppose the Ballistas are slightly different but they'd just be FFs with S/L res and a melee attack.
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"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."
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I guess I13 heroes will get Longbow and perhaps villains will get something like a EAT in the next year or so...
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no any EAT now heroes and villains will probably both get to be even
I'll just add one thing. Since CoV launch, I've hardly ever bothered to play it, and in fact, in over a year, my highest villain was level 14.
This weekend, I've been playing CoV a LOT (well, as much as my not feeling well video card would let me), and gotten a villain to 20. I fully intend to have a 50 by the time i12 is released.
I don't really call that boring; do you? Boring things don't generally inspire people to play a part of the game they've never really enjoyed up 'till now.
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I'll just add one thing. Since CoV launch, I've hardly ever bothered to play it, and in fact, in over a year, my highest villain was level 14.
This weekend, I've been playing CoV a LOT (well, as much as my not feeling well video card would let me), and gotten a villain to 20. I fully intend to have a 50 by the time i12 is released.
I don't really call that boring; do you? Boring things don't generally inspire people to play a part of the game they've never really enjoyed up 'till now.
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Well boring ATs things might inspire me to play them if they are less boring then the others.
If you played all ATs and most powersets for a long time all over again, everything new is better simply because its new.
I will play SoA even if they turn out to suck, simply cause i am bored of all the other toons i played. 
Why does this topic even exist?
How do you know the AT will be "boring" after watching a little promotional trailer about it.
Why does there even need to be an argument about the *speculation* about the AT.
I for one am glad they adding VEAT. Were they what i expected? nope. But they look to be intresting with a brand new way to develop your character. (oh noes it's new... it must be bad! i hate new things so much i never change my undies).
Does some things about them look iffy? Yeah sure, but here's the kicker: I... Have... Not... Played... It... Yet.
So why get upset about something that might or might not be true?
So do this before preaching the doom of VEAT.
1: Wait for Issue 12 to launch.
2: Make a VEAT or more since there's two types and each can branch two diffrent ways.
3: Play to at least 35+ so you have some powers earned after brancing.
Then and only then, might what you post carry more weight than a snowflake in the wind. Cause right now you're pretty much only making yourself look like a whiney little kid who didn't get his lollipop in the color he wanted.
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Why does this topic even exist?
How do you know the AT will be "boring" after watching a little promotional trailer about it.
Why does even need to be an argument about the *speculation* about the AT.
I for one am glad they adding VEAT. Were they what i expected? nope. But they look to be intresting with a brand new way to develop your character. (oh noes it's new... it must be bad! i hate new things so much i never change my undies).
Does some things about them look iffy? Yeah sure, but here's the kicker: I... Have... Not... Played... It... Yet.
So why get upset about something that might or might not be true?
So do this before preaching the doom of VEAT.
1: Wait for Issue 12 to launch.
2: Make a VEAT or more since there's two types and each can branch two diffrent ways.
3: Play to at least 35+ so you have some powers earned after brancing.
Then and only then might what you post carry more weight than a snowflake in the wind. Cause right now you're pretty much only making yourself look like a whiney little kid who didn't get his lollipop in the color he wanted.
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I am saying my opinion about the stuff i have seen í didnt say a word about the powers not shown in the video.
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Have we seen most of the new powersets? No.
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7 fortunata attacks, how many attacks you think there will be 20 ?