Power set proliferation...could've been better
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13th_Stranger,
Posted on: 2009-07-16 24:59 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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but other than that they were able to directly port everything over or at least pull powers and visuals from existing powersets.
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Then I really don't get earth assault for doms. I know we have the melee attacks from stone melee... but where are the stone blasts coming from?
Or are they using the same animations as other blasts with new particles, which you don't consider different animations?
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Earth Assault is a special case.
When Sunstorm first started, we gave him some training (read: shackled him to the desk and forced him to look at spreadsheets) and gave him a bunch of bugs to fix to learn the systems.
Fixing Bugs doesn't teach everything, though, so he put together Earth Assault as a set to experiment with and learn the ropes. Eventually, he got it into shape and it turned out to be quite a fun set. We wrote it up as a full proposal for the next round of proliferation, since all the work had already been done...and, here we are.
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I bet he just pulls Hurl Boulder and that toss rock power most low level minions get, plus an adapted Hurl Huge Boulder and.... Hurl Huger Boulder.
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Never played a more "tankish" feeling dominator, despite it having no armors.
Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set.
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wiiiicked.... I can work with that.
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but other than that they were able to directly port everything over or at least pull powers and visuals from existing powersets.
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Then I really don't get earth assault for doms. I know we have the melee attacks from stone melee... but where are the stone blasts coming from?
Or are they using the same animations as other blasts with new particles, which you don't consider different animations?
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Earth Assault is a special case.
When Sunstorm first started, we gave him some training (read: shackled him to the desk and forced him to look at spreadsheets) and gave him a bunch of bugs to fix to learn the systems.
Fixing Bugs doesn't teach everything, though, so he put together Earth Assault as a set to experiment with and learn the ropes. Eventually, he got it into shape and it turned out to be quite a fun set. We wrote it up as a full proposal for the next round of proliferation, since all the work had already been done...and, here we are.
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Lol. The Shackles I didn't mind, but the IV's were obnoxious.
No "Eventually" about it, I was play testing it after the first round of proliferation and have been waiting anxiously till I can build one on the live servers. Never played a more "tankish" feeling dominator, despite it having no armors.
Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set. Also opted for the regular Hurl boulder Animation, since the Propel Boulder animation uses the full 3.5 second long propel animation. Now I may be a huge fan of propel for my grav doms/Trollers, but the thought of having 2 versions of it didn't seem too fun.
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So... since you seem to be allowed to share some, would it be too much to ask for a power list? 
(I am shamelessly addicted to new shinies)
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Never played a more "tankish" feeling dominator, despite it having no armors.
Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set.
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wiiiicked.... I can work with that.
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Urf/Urf it is then.
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but other than that they were able to directly port everything over or at least pull powers and visuals from existing powersets.
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Then I really don't get earth assault for doms. I know we have the melee attacks from stone melee... but where are the stone blasts coming from?
Or are they using the same animations as other blasts with new particles, which you don't consider different animations?
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Earth Assault is a special case.
When Sunstorm first started, we gave him some training (read: shackled him to the desk and forced him to look at spreadsheets) and gave him a bunch of bugs to fix to learn the systems.
Fixing Bugs doesn't teach everything, though, so he put together Earth Assault as a set to experiment with and learn the ropes. Eventually, he got it into shape and it turned out to be quite a fun set. We wrote it up as a full proposal for the next round of proliferation, since all the work had already been done...and, here we are.
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Lol. The Shackles I didn't mind, but the IV's were obnoxious.
No "Eventually" about it, I was play testing it after the first round of proliferation and have been waiting anxiously till I can build one on the live servers. Never played a more "tankish" feeling dominator, despite it having no armors.
Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set. Also opted for the regular Hurl boulder Animation, since the Propel Boulder animation uses the full 3.5 second long propel animation. Now I may be a huge fan of propel for my grav doms/Trollers, but the thought of having 2 versions of it didn't seem too fun.
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This could be a great set. I'm very worried about hurl boulder though even with the faster 2.5 sec cast it has now. Impale (2.43) is a nightmare to use on doms and the thorny set as a whole has slower animations.
If /earth assault has all those tasty stone melee attacks that are blazing fast and hit like a mack truck, then slow hurl boulder is going to "feel" even slower.
Can you give us a hint at the utility power for the set? (ie powerboost, buildup,...)
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So... since you seem to be allowed to share some, would it be too much to ask for a power list?
(I am shamelessly addicted to new shinies)
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Too much to ask? Not at all. I'd love to tell you...except, you know, marketing timelines and all of that pretty much say I can't.
Yet.
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Can you give us a hint at the utility power for the set? (ie powerboost, buildup,...)
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Earth's Embrace, maybe? 
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Stalker - Shields or fire melee
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Shields doesn't mesh with most stalkers sets or the stalker theme. Fire melee functionally double but breaks theme since how stealthy is a man on fire?
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Where there's fire, there's smoke...and smoke hides just as well as being invisible. I could easily see a Fiery Melee or Fiery Aura Stalker work. Especially if Placate and Hide involved vanishing into a swirling mass of smoke and embers, and then reappearing in a sudden blazing flash when you strike, like a backdraft.
That could be pretty darn cool.
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That sounds AWESOME. You MUST do this!
Though, it sounds like you would then need to give Ninjutsu's Smoke Flash to the Fiery Aura set for the Stalker. Also, if you left Fiery Embrace in the Aura set, I can see that working a little *too* well... maybe that should be the power swap to make it work? (In my mind Hide would obviously replace Blazing Aura, though maybe it wouldn't be bad to leave Blazing Aura in... hmm...)
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So... since you seem to be allowed to share some, would it be too much to ask for a power list?
(I am shamelessly addicted to new shinies)
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Too much to ask? Not at all. I'd love to tell you...except, you know, marketing timelines and all of that pretty much say I can't.
Yet.
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Heh, figured as much. As much as I understand the need for those timelines, our need to know and your desire to share really SHOULD trump them... right?
Really, there are so many shiny new things for the playerbase to speculate about in this issue, I can see *many* weeks of tidbits and breadcrumbs being given to satisfy us as we wait for the betas... I'll just have to figure out a way to survive from update to update. 
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Can you give us a hint at the utility power for the set? (ie powerboost, buildup,...)
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Earth's Embrace, maybe?
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GOOD LORD - if it is then it means i need to make my second Dom ever - my main problem with doms is not having at least a simple heal to keep them alive without spending slots on medicine pool - my only one right now is a Plant/Psi because i have the tree on one side and the drain psyche on the other - i understand neither is a true heal but it works well enough for me - so well in fact he ended up being my only other 50 villian side, along with a Thug/Dark MM which was my first. Its probably to much to ask that earth embrace is in the set - but i am hoping!
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Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set. Also opted for the regular Hurl boulder Animation, since the Propel Boulder animation uses the full 3.5 second long propel animation. Now I may be a huge fan of propel for my grav doms/Trollers, but the thought of having 2 versions of it didn't seem too fun.
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You have my interest. 
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Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set. Also opted for the regular Hurl boulder Animation, since the Propel Boulder animation uses the full 3.5 second long propel animation. Now I may be a huge fan of propel for my grav doms/Trollers, but the thought of having 2 versions of it didn't seem too fun.
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Would it be possible to choose a customized version of Propel that only tosses Boulders?
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In all likelyhood, Masterminds got Thermal to thematically pair with the Demon Summoning set that is coming with Going Rogue. The demons are almost definitely going to be fire-based and BaBs said something about a Hellfire Whip involved somehow.
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Motivation.
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Castle, any chance doms will ever get illusion control? We have wanted this way more than the other sets. Its really the last thing that keeps doms from being equal to trollers. I just hope we at least get it by the time going rogue hits.
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Castle, any chance doms will ever get illusion control? We have wanted this way more than the other sets. Its really the last thing that keeps doms from being equal to trollers. I just hope we at least get it by the time going rogue hits.
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1.) You use "we" like you represent all dominator players. You don't.
2.) Dominators shoudln't be "equal" to controllers. They're totally different playstyles and ATs.
Maybe someday doms might get Illusion but please stop acting like the mouth piece for dominator players. I'm excited about Earth Assault and will be testing out a Fire/Earth ASAP.
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Lol. The Shackles I didn't mind, but the IV's were obnoxious.
No "Eventually" about it, I was play testing it after the first round of proliferation and have been waiting anxiously till I can build one on the live servers. Never played a more "tankish" feeling dominator, despite it having no armors.
Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set. Also opted for the regular Hurl boulder Animation, since the Propel Boulder animation uses the full 3.5 second long propel animation. Now I may be a huge fan of propel for my grav doms/Trollers, but the thought of having 2 versions of it didn't seem too fun.
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Oh man, this actually makes me want to play a Dom despite the Domination sparkle!graphics of doom. I'm in utter shock over here. Awesome job in advance!
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Hmm... Kind of torn between making an Earth/Earth dom and a Shield/Elec Tank. And I have concepts for both.
Hmmmm...
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Stalker - Shields or fire melee
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Shields doesn't mesh with most stalkers sets or the stalker theme. Fire melee functionally double but breaks theme since how stealthy is a man on fire?
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Where there's fire, there's smoke...and smoke hides just as well as being invisible. I could easily see a Fiery Melee or Fiery Aura Stalker work. Especially if Placate and Hide involved vanishing into a swirling mass of smoke and embers, and then reappearing in a sudden blazing flash when you strike, like a backdraft.
That could be pretty darn cool.
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The problem for me is that like Spines, being a Stalker takes one of the best attacks off the table your Aura attack. You can't just leave aura on as you go into battle without losing Hide. And you can't turn in on once IN combat or you lose Placate.
I see no reason to take Fire Armor as a defense without Fiery Aura.
Now if there were some way to autosuppress auras when in Hide that would really rock.
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earth assault might be just what i need to make a toon with stone melee. I know they arn't the same thing, but I prefer not to make more than 2 toons with the same or similar power sets that arn't part of V-Tron's story....I need my spreadsheet >.>
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Stalker - Shields or fire melee
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Shields doesn't mesh with most stalkers sets or the stalker theme. Fire melee functionally double but breaks theme since how stealthy is a man on fire?
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Where there's fire, there's smoke...and smoke hides just as well as being invisible. I could easily see a Fiery Melee or Fiery Aura Stalker work. Especially if Placate and Hide involved vanishing into a swirling mass of smoke and embers, and then reappearing in a sudden blazing flash when you strike, like a backdraft.
That could be pretty darn cool.
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No seriously.. You can make that happen and it would be so damned cool..
For going rogue maybe?
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So... since you seem to be allowed to share some, would it be too much to ask for a power list?
(I am shamelessly addicted to new shinies)
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Too much to ask? Not at all. I'd love to tell you...except, you know, marketing timelines and all of that pretty much say I can't.
Yet.
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What can you tell us?
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Stalker - Shields or fire melee
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Shields doesn't mesh with most stalkers sets or the stalker theme. Fire melee functionally double but breaks theme since how stealthy is a man on fire?
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Where there's fire, there's smoke...and smoke hides just as well as being invisible. I could easily see a Fiery Melee or Fiery Aura Stalker work. Especially if Placate and Hide involved vanishing into a swirling mass of smoke and embers, and then reappearing in a sudden blazing flash when you strike, like a backdraft.
That could be pretty darn cool.
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*laughs at the thought of hitting with Incinerate and trying to placate*
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Castle, any chance doms will ever get illusion control? We have wanted this way more than the other sets. Its really the last thing that keeps doms from being equal to trollers. I just hope we at least get it by the time going rogue hits.
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1.) You use "we" like you represent all dominator players. You don't.
2.) Dominators shoudln't be "equal" to controllers. They're totally different playstyles and ATs.
Maybe someday doms might get Illusion but please stop acting like the mouth piece for dominator players. I'm excited about Earth Assault and will be testing out a Fire/Earth ASAP.
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1. It is pretty often requested. Of existing sets it was far more requested than earth when proliferation began. People also whined that earth wouldn't work well on doms because it has so many pseudo pets. They were wrong, just like the people that say Ill wouldn't work well.
2. One of Castle's stated criteria during the dominator revamp was to make them more viable relative to controllers. Now equal != viable, but they are in the same ballpark and giving doms Ill is a step in the right direction.
Even though all the troller sets have the same issues with PToD as the dominator version, trollers as a whole complain less about that aspect. It is in no small part due to the fact that illusion is arguably one of the strongest AV fighting sets in the game.
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Lol. The Shackles I didn't mind, but the IV's were obnoxious.
No "Eventually" about it, I was play testing it after the first round of proliferation and have been waiting anxiously till I can build one on the live servers. Never played a more "tankish" feeling dominator, despite it having no armors.
Some very good guesses here on the powers, but Earth Assault will be a very melee heavy set. Also opted for the regular Hurl boulder Animation, since the Propel Boulder animation uses the full 3.5 second long propel animation. Now I may be a huge fan of propel for my grav doms/Trollers, but the thought of having 2 versions of it didn't seem too fun.
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Let's see, what pool of powers could be in the set...
Ranged: Hurl Boulder
AoE: Tremor, Fault (Tank Stone Melee) OR Fissure (Controller Epic) OR Stalagmites (Tanker Epic)
Melee: Stone Fist, Stone Mallet, Heavy Mallet, dubious about Seismic Smash with its hold intact...
Misc: Mudpots, BU, EE (probably only one of the last two, not sure if EE can be disqualified as a "shield")
Hmm... Yeah, I'm liking the possibilities. I anxiously await more info, Sunstorm.
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Stalker - Shields or fire melee
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Shields doesn't mesh with most stalkers sets or the stalker theme. Fire melee functionally double but breaks theme since how stealthy is a man on fire?
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Where there's fire, there's smoke...and smoke hides just as well as being invisible. I could easily see a Fiery Melee or Fiery Aura Stalker work. Especially if Placate and Hide involved vanishing into a swirling mass of smoke and embers, and then reappearing in a sudden blazing flash when you strike, like a backdraft.
That could be pretty darn cool.
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Make it so.