What a load of baloney!

Don't forget the debt you might not be racking up by having some confuzzled foes fighting for you as well.

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Debt? What is this debt of which you speak?

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Same mechanic as Confuse... it actually increases XP/minute... some people just don't understand that.

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[Really NOT trying to be snarky}
Since when? I was under th impression that (and I've never used confuse, btw...even though I have 3 ILL trollers ), 'arresting' that enemies that have taken damage from an NPC, yield a lower amount of Xp depending on the damage taken from said NPC (including some powers, ie: confuse, OLD chain reaction, others). Even in MA (or AE, whatever...make up our minds, people! ).

AM I wrong? AM I a n00b?

P.S. Don't answer that last one, hehe.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, the XP per mob will be lower... but, you'll be able to kill more mobs in the same time frame, which'll result in a net increase. Lets say your NPC ally is doing a LOT of damage... and you're only really doing about 20% of the damage to each mob. What does that do to the XP you'd make for that mission? It'd cut it in half... BUT, what does it do to how long it took to complete the mission? It was cut to one fifth! That's a one hundred and fifty percent increase in earned XP per minute!

See this chart for how it works out. Really, confuses is basically one of the most underrated abilities in the entire game (which is why I love Seeds of Confusion... it's up basically every mob, and it's pretty easy to hit the entire spawn with it).

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It's true. Confuse is just plain awesome. It's one of my favorite powers.

Recently an SG mate rolled a mind dom and finally got confuse. They exclaimed "Wow Confuse is great!" and I said "You know what's better than Confusion? MASS Confusion!"

Confuse. Learn2Luv

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Debt? What is this debt of which you speak?

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It's what you get when you're on a PUG without a clue and have to go to the hospital when you're out of patrol XP.

I think I got some once.

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Debt? What is this debt of which you speak?

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It's what you get when you're on a PUG without a clue and have to go to the hospital when you're out of patrol XP.

I think I got some once.

[/ QUOTE ]Huh? I was on a PuG today... and we rushed the bank... Everyone else went to the hospital and I soloed the Longbow + Private Security... so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Is it a proc?

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Well, now you know why I never come here anymore.

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Thank you.

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I state a fact, folks pick it apart like politicans.

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Those damn subjective "facts" will get ya every time.

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Fact is, it is not a farm, never resembled one either.

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Except that it had "farm" in its name. You know, ignoring that.

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It will get unbanned I am positive and I will win on this.

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That's right! Stick it to the man!

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I have a right to vent when people are stupid...

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...and I have the right to make fun of people who are stupid. Not saying you are. Ocho, take note of that "fact".

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...and I have a right to expect to be treated as a paying customer.

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...by getting a problem rectified by customer service.

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If I want a email notice, then I should get one when it involves important issues like this.

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Yeaaaah, you don't actually get to decide what NCSoft's policies are...just in case you didn't realize that...

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I am not going to pick apart every thread daily, I have better things to do with my life.

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Or read the GMotD...or check the Dev Digest...or let customer service rectify misunderstandings...

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I do not like being judged guilty till proven innocent, and if you support a system like that then you have got some serious rethinking to do about life.

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I don't like believing in "better safe than sorry", but gosh, it sure does save you from having to believe in "if you're gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough".

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Anyone can accuse, it is up to judges to investigate and determine if the accusation is baseless... and baseless accucasions should come with a penaltiy of some form to hold down baseless complaints that are loaded as a joke.

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Now if only there was a judge you could appeal to (there is), an email address you could send that appeal to (there is), or an inability to know what the repercussions are for overexcitable reporters (there is). But, you know, maybe NCSoft oughta put in one of those things to fix your issue.

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Now I completely understand Palen after reading the news today.

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In all honesty, I actually completely believe you on this one.

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Bye

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Door. Butt. You're good with sayings, I'm sure you can put it together.

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- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)

Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.

It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.

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Future note to OP: Never come into the forums to start a vent post like this. It'll only invite the attention of snarky keyboard warriors who will take the opportunity to jump on you.

Just keep a level-head, and have a GM look into your issue. All the best.

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This quoted post contains the most important points in the thread.

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Sorry to interrupt the festivities, but tonight's food topic is eggs, not baloney.

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Look on the bright side: If your appeal succeeds and your mission is unbanned, it'll be immune from further warnings and mod action for as long as it remains unchanged.

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Debt? What is this debt of which you speak?

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It's what you get when you're on a PUG without a clue and have to go to the hospital when you're out of patrol XP.

I think I got some once.

[/ QUOTE ]Huh? I was on a PuG today... and we rushed the bank... Everyone else went to the hospital and I soloed the Longbow + Private Security... so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Is it a proc?

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A badge of course

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Initially, I thought the OP was an interesting attempt at satire. It seemed ripe for it, because it did many things easily associated with AE farms (farm in the name, commonly farmed enemies, ally providing buffs). The post just screamed "satire" at me. Until I saw who posted it.

If it was not for the fact that I have seen Airman_America post before, I would have thought this entire thread a very well done satire piece. Indeed, the mission to me sounds like a thinly veiled farming mission, even as AA explains it throughout the thread. I would assume he wasn't doing it on purpose, which makes me wonder what truly is going on here.

If the mission does get unbanned, I would love for him to Post the ID number so I could take a look. If only to see where the line may be.

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Same mechanic as Confuse... it actually increases XP/minute... some people just don't understand that.

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[Really NOT trying to be snarky}
Since when? I was under th impression that (and I've never used confuse, btw...even though I have 3 ILL trollers ), 'arresting' that enemies that have taken damage from an NPC, yield a lower amount of Xp depending on the damage taken from said NPC (including some powers, ie: confuse, OLD chain reaction, others). Even in MA (or AE, whatever...make up our minds, people! ).

AM I wrong? AM I a n00b?

P.S. Don't answer that last one, hehe.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, the XP per mob will be lower... but, you'll be able to kill more mobs in the same time frame, which'll result in a net increase. Lets say your NPC ally is doing a LOT of damage... and you're only really doing about 20% of the damage to each mob. What does that do to the XP you'd make for that mission? It'd cut it in half... BUT, what does it do to how long it took to complete the mission? It was cut to one fifth! That's a one hundred and fifty percent increase in earned XP per minute!

See this chart for how it works out. Really, confuses is basically one of the most underrated abilities in the entire game (which is why I love Seeds of Confusion... it's up basically every mob, and it's pretty easy to hit the entire spawn with it).

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While this may be true for Confused mobs, an EB in a MA mission is not the same thing. When they hit, they tend to just destroy things, not wound them the way the regular mobs do. It doesn't matter if you get the mission over in 1/5 the time, if you get no xp/inf/tickets for 90% of the mobs. I had one in a mission I ran the other day, I hadn't lost yet when I ran into a spawn. I went to hit Footstomp, but before my attack went through, the EB dropped in, hit Whirling Axe and the entire spawn fell over dead. It was fast, but that was 5 minions and 1 Lt. I didn't get inf or tickets from. An Lt or maybe a Boss as an ally may have the same kind of effect as using Confuse, but an EB or AV is just too much more powerful than the standard mobs.

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Same mechanic as Confuse... it actually increases XP/minute... some people just don't understand that.

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[Really NOT trying to be snarky}
Since when? I was under th impression that (and I've never used confuse, btw...even though I have 3 ILL trollers ), 'arresting' that enemies that have taken damage from an NPC, yield a lower amount of Xp depending on the damage taken from said NPC (including some powers, ie: confuse, OLD chain reaction, others). Even in MA (or AE, whatever...make up our minds, people! ).

AM I wrong? AM I a n00b?

P.S. Don't answer that last one, hehe.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, the XP per mob will be lower... but, you'll be able to kill more mobs in the same time frame, which'll result in a net increase. Lets say your NPC ally is doing a LOT of damage... and you're only really doing about 20% of the damage to each mob. What does that do to the XP you'd make for that mission? It'd cut it in half... BUT, what does it do to how long it took to complete the mission? It was cut to one fifth! That's a one hundred and fifty percent increase in earned XP per minute!

See this chart for how it works out. Really, confuses is basically one of the most underrated abilities in the entire game (which is why I love Seeds of Confusion... it's up basically every mob, and it's pretty easy to hit the entire spawn with it).

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While this may be true for Confused mobs, an EB in a MA mission is not the same thing. When they hit, they tend to just destroy things, not wound them the way the regular mobs do. It doesn't matter if you get the mission over in 1/5 the time, if you get no xp/inf/tickets for 90% of the mobs. I had one in a mission I ran the other day, I hadn't lost yet when I ran into a spawn. I went to hit Footstomp, but before my attack went through, the EB dropped in, hit Whirling Axe and the entire spawn fell over dead. It was fast, but that was 5 minions and 1 Lt. I didn't get inf or tickets from. An Lt or maybe a Boss as an ally may have the same kind of effect as using Confuse, but an EB or AV is just too much more powerful than the standard mobs.

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So, I'm correct. Good to know a major gameplay mechanic change hadn't passed by me without my knowing.

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Future note to OP: Never come into the forums to start a vent post like this. It'll only invite the attention of snarky keyboard warriors who will take the opportunity to jump on you.

Just keep a level-head, and have a GM look into your issue. All the best.

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This quoted post contains the most important points in the thread.

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So true.

As a famous quote puts it, "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post to the forums and invite a lot of other fools to respond."

Or something to that effect.

Seriously thought, you're not the first to have a mission banned just because it contained the word farm. If it isn't really a farm, it should be restored, it just might take a few days.

(But our other problem here is that everyone has a different definition of what the word "farm" means...)

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my lil RWZ Challenge vid

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Same mechanic as Confuse... it actually increases XP/minute... some people just don't understand that.

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[Really NOT trying to be snarky}
Since when? I was under th impression that (and I've never used confuse, btw...even though I have 3 ILL trollers ), 'arresting' that enemies that have taken damage from an NPC, yield a lower amount of Xp depending on the damage taken from said NPC (including some powers, ie: confuse, OLD chain reaction, others). Even in MA (or AE, whatever...make up our minds, people! ).

AM I wrong? AM I a n00b?

P.S. Don't answer that last one, hehe.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, the XP per mob will be lower... but, you'll be able to kill more mobs in the same time frame, which'll result in a net increase. Lets say your NPC ally is doing a LOT of damage... and you're only really doing about 20% of the damage to each mob. What does that do to the XP you'd make for that mission? It'd cut it in half... BUT, what does it do to how long it took to complete the mission? It was cut to one fifth! That's a one hundred and fifty percent increase in earned XP per minute!

See this chart for how it works out. Really, confuses is basically one of the most underrated abilities in the entire game (which is why I love Seeds of Confusion... it's up basically every mob, and it's pretty easy to hit the entire spawn with it).

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It's true. Confuse is just plain awesome. It's one of my favorite powers.

Recently an SG mate rolled a mind dom and finally got confuse. They exclaimed "Wow Confuse is great!" and I said "You know what's better than Confusion? MASS Confusion!"

Confuse. Learn2Luv

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I have an Illusion Controller and I am so damn sick and tired of people whining, *****ing and wailing about Confuse that when I team, I just temporarily pull it out of my trays. I don't bother sermonizing them about it, like people try to sermonize me over SB, or over how Confuse be stealin' our expees.....!; I just deny them the tender, juicy and delicious benefits of Confuse.

Because stupidity SHOULD be painful.

So freakin' sick of people blueside trying so hard to control what other people do in a mission, while wanting endless license to annoy for themselves. Idiots.

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Airman,

Sorry your arc got banned, but please do not act innocent, there is a GMOTD available at any time when you're in game, and when new ones are released, they are displayed immediately if you're already in game or the next time you login if you weren't on at that moment.

When you close the window and don't ever to bother to read it, that falls on you.

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I love threads like this. There's no way anyone could make such an obvious farm arc and actually be surprised when it's banned. I mean, an arc about Farming with Freakshow as the enemy group? How would that even make sense from a story perspective?! Obvious prank. With that in mind, a lot of these replies are great.

Good show OP, good show.

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Can be seen as a farm? Ok, so we are guilty till proven innocent? That is justice?

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ROFL . . . Justice . . . Read the EULA.

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You agree that NC Interactive may take whatever steps it deems necessary to abridge, or prevent behavior of any sort on the Service in its sole discretion, without notice to you.

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You have no rights. This isn't a court of law.

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[i][b]o SNAP! [b][i]

Pwned with a side of pwnsauce!

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"A good n00b-sauce is based on a good n00b-roux." - The Masque

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Yesterday I see a comment for the first time "A true farm... God I love reporting these". Today my mission is banned.

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Oh great, another teabagger. Why open yourself up for counter-abuse? Just report, quit TF, and click Finished with no comment.

--NT

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They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a comedian.
But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!

If I became a red name, I would be all "and what would you mere mortals like to entertain me with today, mu hu ha ha ha!" ~Arcanaville

if it helps, i've played the arc, i enjoyed it, and it was by no means a "farm". to who ever "reported" your mish, they're an [censored], and if the gm's don't un-ban it, screw them too. Draconian enforcement of over reactions to Dev created issues is something that seriously bothers me.

i understand the devs never wanted people to farm AE, and in essence i agree, but giving them access to the ability to make farms is not the farmers fault, you gave access to it, it's the Devs, so a smackdown type retaliation to the farming, should at the very least be heavily policed to make sure it doesn't adversly effect those that correctly use the MA. it reeks of "NOOOO!!! i don't ant you to play it that way.... NOW i will punish everyone who comes within my line of sight". i've had a handful of friends get completely legit arc's banned because one effin noob reports it because it ISNT a farm. at this point the "cure" is almost as bad as the "disease".

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Oh yeah, that was the time that girl got her whatchamacallit stuck in that guys dooblickitz and then what his name did that thing with the lizards and it cleared right up.

screw your joke, i want "FREEM"

Interestingly enough, the reporter was completely correct in reporting that it WAS a farm.

Customer service would also be perfectly understandable to declare that it is banned because it is a farm.

Ah, good clean homonym fun.

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- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)

Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.

It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.

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if it helps, i've played the arc, i enjoyed it, and it was by no means a "farm". to who ever "reported" your mish, they're an [censored], and if the gm's don't un-ban it, screw them too. Draconian enforcement of over reactions to Dev created issues is something that seriously bothers me.

i understand the devs never wanted people to farm AE, and in essence i agree, but giving them access to the ability to make farms is not the farmers fault, you gave access to it, it's the Devs, so a smackdown type retaliation to the farming, should at the very least be heavily policed to make sure it doesn't adversly effect those that correctly use the MA. it reeks of "NOOOO!!! i don't ant you to play it that way.... NOW i will punish everyone who comes within my line of sight". i've had a handful of friends get completely legit arc's banned because one effin noob reports it because it ISNT a farm. at this point the "cure" is almost as bad as the "disease".

[/ QUOTE ]You're exaggerating just a wee bit there, friend.

It takes a certain number of reports to get reviewed, and to trigger the temporary auto-lock. 1 report simply isn't enough. If it's perma-banned after the review, then it was a farm mission [u]in the reviewer's opinion[u], the only one that really matters. But even that can be appealed to Customer Service.

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but giving them access to the ability to make farms is not the farmers fault,

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I'm sorry to disagree with you but that's not a valid defense. That's like saying that since the car manufacturers build cars that go faster than the speed limit it's ok to speed.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

Next someone will trot out the "It's just a game" excuse and by doing so imply that it's ok to break the rules as long as you can trivialize it.

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Look on the bright side: If your appeal succeeds and your mission is unbanned, it'll be immune from further warnings and mod action for as long as it remains unchanged.

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And you'll get to laugh in the face of the forum members who made fun of you! On the other hand, if it turns out it was a farm...

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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. --- Thomas Jefferson
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