What a load of baloney!

I have a mission I made last issue when you could only have 2 stories in an arc (or about). I made the villain mission based on a rather funny premise that a farmer who purchased a plot of land in Nevada to raise Brussel Sprouts found it was desert. It never grew anything. Drilling for water he found oil. He sat on the oil till the height of oil prices and dumped about 25 tankers full of it on the market causing a price depression. That angered Lord Recluse who invested in it and lost cash. LR invites the farmer to come to "the isles" tax free, agrees to warehouse the cash, then arranges for the Freakshow to steal it (however he sends in "you" to steal it from the Freakshow so he can blame them for the heist).

I called the mission Old McGrummbler's Farm. It had Dreck in it, bosses in every group, it never had glowies that healed/gave endurance, never had lumped villains, however it provided loads of faceplants. It had a helper EB you needed if you were a stone brute in need of SB - at a cost for earnings if it defeated anything. The EB was helpful for a weak player when they faced Dreck at the end. You had to defeat Dreck to win. XP/Influence was low and I did get complaints on that which did not faze me as I did not want it to be a farm.

Yesterday I see a comment for the first time "A true farm... God I love reporting these". Today my mission is banned.

I sent in a complaint immediately and demanded a review. Did they even play this or look at it? What is the big fat idea that some joker can just drop into any mission and they are taken at word without double checking?

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I have a mission I made last issue when you could only have 2 stories in an arc (or about).

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I called the mission Old McGrummbler's Farm. It had Dreck in it, bosses in every group, it never had glowies that healed/gave endurance, never had lumped villains, however it provided loads of faceplants. It had a helper EB you needed if you were a stone brute in need of SB - at a cost for earnings if it defeated anything. The EB was helpful for a weak player when they faced Dreck at the end. You had to defeat Dreck to win. XP/Influence was low and I did get complaints on that which did not faze me as I did not want it to be a farm.

[/ QUOTE ]Sounds like this could easily been seen as a farm.

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I made the villain mission based on a rather funny premise that a farmer who purchased a plot of land in Nevada to raise Brussel Sprouts found it was desert. It never grew anything.

[/ QUOTE ]We were warned about even making missions that could LOOK like a farm. Just because you try to give it 5 seconds worth of backstory doesn't make it NOT a farm... fyi

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Hey, I like baloney.

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Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.

We were warned about even making missions that could LOOK like a farm. Just because you try to give it 5 seconds worth of backstory doesn't make it NOT a farm... fyi

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We were warned SPECIFICALLY about making an arc with "Farm" in the title EVEN AS A JOKE. Guess they were serious.

You can still get your slot back (if your arc truly isn't a farm), but now you need to contact customer support and have them review the arc.

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We were warned about even making missions that could LOOK like a farm. Just because you try to give it 5 seconds worth of backstory doesn't make it NOT a farm... fyi

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We were warned SPECIFICALLY about making an arc with "Farm" in the title EVEN AS A JOKE. Guess they were serious.

You can still get your slot back (if your arc truly isn't a farm), but now you need to contact customer support and have them review the arc.

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Yes we clearly warned about it in this thread.

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•• Players are urged to avoid using common farming terms in their story title and/or descriptions. Even if it’s a joke, DO NOT run the risk of having an arc banned and requiring Customer Support to grant you your publishing slot back.

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The OP has no one to blame but himself.

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I have a mission I made last issue when you could only have 2 stories in an arc (or about).

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I called the mission Old McGrummbler's Farm. It had Dreck in it, bosses in every group, it never had glowies that healed/gave endurance, never had lumped villains, however it provided loads of faceplants. It had a helper EB you needed if you were a stone brute in need of SB - at a cost for earnings if it defeated anything. The EB was helpful for a weak player when they faced Dreck at the end. You had to defeat Dreck to win. XP/Influence was low and I did get complaints on that which did not faze me as I did not want it to be a farm.

[/ QUOTE ]Sounds like this could easily been seen as a farm.

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I made the villain mission based on a rather funny premise that a farmer who purchased a plot of land in Nevada to raise Brussel Sprouts found it was desert. It never grew anything.

[/ QUOTE ]We were warned about even making missions that could LOOK like a farm. Just because you try to give it 5 seconds worth of backstory doesn't make it NOT a farm... fyi

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Well, it is not. I have sent in for a full review on the matter. The NAME alone does not make it a farm. 5 missions is now, not then and the cost was high if you used custom designs which I did. It was no different than any other Freakshow mission. Groups were scattered, there were 4 floors of Freakshow, Dreck at the end. Define that a farm when the same is available on the hero side.

Can be seen as a farm? Ok, so we are guilty till proven innocent? That is justice?

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The NAME alone does not make it a farm.

[/ QUOTE ]Read the quote Forbin posted before you argue with us.

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5 missions is now, not then and the cost was high if you used custom designs which I did.

[/ QUOTE ]It was 5 missions since launch. Using lots of custom critters (17+ IIRC) will use up pretty much all of your space, though. Likely if you deleted ONCE NPC you could have created 5 missions in the arc.

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It was no different than any other Freakshow mission. Groups were scattered, there were 4 floors of Freakshow, Dreck at the end. Define that a farm when the same is available on the hero side.

[/ QUOTE ]One massive freakshow mission, with an EB kin buff bot, and Dreck? Are you describing your mission, or the Dreck farm? Seriously now! From your own description it sounds like a farm.

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Can be seen as a farm? Ok, so we are guilty till proven innocent? That is justice?

[/ QUOTE ]Contact customer support, they'll check it out. If they determine it's not a farm and unban it, it becomes unbannable unless a GM explicitly bans it/you edit it... if not, well, it looks like they found it to look like a farm as well as the person (people?) that reported it.

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Not necessarily, but if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you have to jump through a few more hoops to prove that it's not a duck, but a chicken.

Err on the side of caution, and you won't run a-fowl of the rules.

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We were warned about even making missions that could LOOK like a farm. Just because you try to give it 5 seconds worth of backstory doesn't make it NOT a farm... fyi

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We were warned SPECIFICALLY about making an arc with "Farm" in the title EVEN AS A JOKE. Guess they were serious.

You can still get your slot back (if your arc truly isn't a farm), but now you need to contact customer support and have them review the arc.

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Yes we clearly warned about it in this thread.

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•• Players are urged to avoid using common farming terms in their story title and/or descriptions. Even if it’s a joke, DO NOT run the risk of having an arc banned and requiring Customer Support to grant you your publishing slot back.

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Swell, I did not get the "memo". How about an email to all subscribers next time? Just because they post it in a thread does not mean I read it or even come here much anymore. I pay to play like everyone else, a simple email warning would have been nice.

Well when they finally "see" what the story is, it will pass with flying colors. I just dislike being judged by some pimple faced 15 year old or joker with an evil bend or some guy who takes everything to extreme. Further the story was not even well played owing to the lowered output XP. It only had 60 reviews in all this time. 60 does not even come close to a "farm". It was published the second week of AE to show you how under the radar it was.

I want to face my accuser next time, make them tell me why they think it is a farm and prove it to me.

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Can be seen as a farm? Ok, so we are guilty till proven innocent? That is justice?

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ROFL . . . Justice . . . Read the EULA.

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You have no rights. This isn't a court of law.

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Swell, I did not get the "memo". How about an email to all subscribers next time? Just because they post it in a thread does not mean I read it or even come here much anymore. I pay to play like everyone else, a simple email warning would have been nice.

[/ QUOTE ]There was a Global Message of the Day that went out...

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Well when they finally "see" what the story is, it will pass with flying colors.

[/ QUOTE ]A farm with a story is still a farm...

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I just dislike being judged by some pimple faced 15 year old or joker with an evil bend or some guy who takes everything to extreme.

[/ QUOTE ]Pot meet kettle

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It only had 60 reviews in all this time. 60 does not even come close to a "farm".

[/ QUOTE ]What on earth does that even mean? You don't have to review a mission upon completion... running a mission multiple times also doesn't let you review multiple times... you seem to not understand what that means really...

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I want to face my accuser next time, make them tell me why they think it is a farm and prove it to me.

[/ QUOTE ]Not how the system works.

And again, by your own description it sounded like a farm to me...

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Just because they post it in a thread does not mean I read it or even come here much anymore. I pay to play like everyone else, a simple email warning would have been nice.


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Why bother with having official forums then, if everything has to be emailed to you to be worth paying attention to? Do you realize how many changes happen? Do you really want them to flood your email with 90% of things you don't care about and 10% of things you do?

You play to play, but it also comes with a free message board. They post it once, so that everyone can read it, not just the lazy ones.

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The NAME alone does not make it a farm.

[/ QUOTE ]Read the quote Forbin posted before you argue with us.

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5 missions is now, not then and the cost was high if you used custom designs which I did.

[/ QUOTE ]It was 5 missions since launch. Using lots of custom critters (17+ IIRC) will use up pretty much all of your space, though. Likely if you deleted ONCE NPC you could have created 5 missions in the arc.

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It was no different than any other Freakshow mission. Groups were scattered, there were 4 floors of Freakshow, Dreck at the end. Define that a farm when the same is available on the hero side.

[/ QUOTE ]One massive freakshow mission, with an EB kin buff bot, and Dreck? Are you describing your mission, or the Dreck farm? Seriously now! From your own description it sounds like a farm.

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Can be seen as a farm? Ok, so we are guilty till proven innocent? That is justice?

[/ QUOTE ]Contact customer support, they'll check it out. If they determine it's not a farm and unban it, it becomes unbannable unless a GM explicitly bans it/you edit it... if not, well, it looks like they found it to look like a farm as well as the person (people?) that reported it.

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What does the EB do? It steals XP, I have had people quit playing with me on the mission owing to that - with complaints as to it was not worth their time. It worked fine for me. I solo a great deal. I do not enjoy teaming much anyway. So it takes half my XP or half my Influence... who cares as long as an Empath can actually finally defeat Dreck or my Stone Brute can go a bit faster.

When it gets active, you try it, you will see that it is and never was a farm.

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What does the EB do? It steals XP, I have had people quit playing with me on the mission owing to that - with complaints as to it was not worth their time.

[/ QUOTE ]Same mechanic as Confuse... it actually increases XP/minute... some people just don't understand that.

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Well, now you know why I never come here anymore. I state a fact, folks pick it apart like politicans. Fact is, it is not a farm, never resembled one either. It will get unbanned I am positive and I will win on this. I have a right to vent when people are stupid and I have a right to expect to be treated as a paying customer. If I want a email notice, then I should get one when it involves important issues like this. I am not going to pick apart every thread daily, I have better things to do with my life. I do not like being judged guilty till proven innocent, and if you support a system like that then you have got some serious rethinking to do about life. Anyone can accuse, it is up to judges to investigate and determine if the accusation is baseless... and baseless accucasions should come with a penaltiy of some form to hold down baseless complaints that are loaded as a joke.

Now I completely understand Palen after reading the news today.

Bye

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We were warned about even making missions that could LOOK like a farm. Just because you try to give it 5 seconds worth of backstory doesn't make it NOT a farm... fyi

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We were warned SPECIFICALLY about making an arc with "Farm" in the title EVEN AS A JOKE. Guess they were serious.

You can still get your slot back (if your arc truly isn't a farm), but now you need to contact customer support and have them review the arc.

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Yes we clearly warned about it in this thread.

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•• Players are urged to avoid using common farming terms in their story title and/or descriptions. Even if it’s a joke, DO NOT run the risk of having an arc banned and requiring Customer Support to grant you your publishing slot back.

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Swell, I did not get the "memo". How about an email to all subscribers next time? Just because they post it in a thread does not mean I read it or even come here much anymore. I pay to play like everyone else, a simple email warning would have been nice.

Well when they finally "see" what the story is, it will pass with flying colors. I just dislike being judged by some pimple faced 15 year old or joker with an evil bend or some guy who takes everything to extreme. Further the story was not even well played owing to the lowered output XP. It only had 60 reviews in all this time. 60 does not even come close to a "farm". It was published the second week of AE to show you how under the radar it was.

I want to face my accuser next time, make them tell me why they think it is a farm and prove it to me.

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1. You weren't judged by some kid or evil joker. You were judged by a GM. Now it's on you to appeal the GM's decision.

2. The number of people that have tried your arc has no bearing on weether or not it is a farm. There are thousands of arcs out there, with more being made every day. It's impossible for people to try even a small fraction of them, so many arcs have been tried only a few times.

3. You want to face your accuser. Well too bad. This isn't a court of law. You don't have that right.

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You made something that had "farm" in the title, and you're complaining that someone tagged it as such?


Yeah. Welcome back to reality.

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Fact is, it is not a farm, never resembled one either.

[/ QUOTE ]Obviously more than a few people thought it was.

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If I want a email notice, then I should get one when it involves important issues like this.

[/ QUOTE ]You got a notice in the GMOTD.

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I am not going to pick apart every thread daily, I have better things to do with my life.

[/ QUOTE ]You only had to see the GMOTD... which everyone sees, either the moment they issue it, or upon next login.

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and baseless accucasions should come with a penaltiy of some form to hold down baseless complaints that are loaded as a joke.

[/ QUOTE ]Frivolous reporting can get you in trouble.

And lay off the martyr bit, it comes off as silly when in a video game forum.

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Yesterday I see a comment for the first time "A true farm... God I love reporting these". Today my mission is banned.


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hooray for bored old ladies who can't keep their pointed noses out of other people's business!

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I have a right to vent when people are stupid and I have a right to expect to be treated as a paying customer. If I want a email notice, then I should get one when it involves important issues like this. I am not going to pick apart every thread daily, I have better things to do with my life. I do not like being judged guilty till proven innocent, and if you support a system like that then you have got some serious rethinking to do about life.

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Airman,

I'm sorry you had your arc banned an even more sorry you were pounced on by some forumites when you just wanted a symphatetic ear for your venting.

But, as stated above, please ask for a GM review and you should get your arc back.

Good luck!

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On the plus side, if it's unbanned it'll be unbannable forever unless you edit it

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Same mechanic as Confuse... it actually increases XP/minute... some people just don't understand that.

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[Really NOT trying to be snarky}
Since when? I was under th impression that (and I've never used confuse, btw...even though I have 3 ILL trollers ), 'arresting' that enemies that have taken damage from an NPC, yield a lower amount of Xp depending on the damage taken from said NPC (including some powers, ie: confuse, OLD chain reaction, others). Even in MA (or AE, whatever...make up our minds, people! ).

AM I wrong? AM I a n00b?

P.S. Don't answer that last one, hehe.

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Future note to OP: Never come into the forums to start a vent post like this. It'll only invite the attention of snarky keyboard warriors who will take the opportunity to jump on you.

Just keep a level-head, and have a GM look into your issue. All the best.

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Same mechanic as Confuse... it actually increases XP/minute... some people just don't understand that.

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[Really NOT trying to be snarky}
Since when? I was under th impression that (and I've never used confuse, btw...even though I have 3 ILL trollers ), 'arresting' that enemies that have taken damage from an NPC, yield a lower amount of Xp depending on the damage taken from said NPC (including some powers, ie: confuse, OLD chain reaction, others). Even in MA (or AE, whatever...make up our minds, people! ).

AM I wrong? AM I a n00b?

P.S. Don't answer that last one, hehe.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, the XP per mob will be lower... but, you'll be able to kill more mobs in the same time frame, which'll result in a net increase. Lets say your NPC ally is doing a LOT of damage... and you're only really doing about 20% of the damage to each mob. What does that do to the XP you'd make for that mission? It'd cut it in half... BUT, what does it do to how long it took to complete the mission? It was cut to one fifth! That's a one hundred and fifty percent increase in earned XP per minute!

See this chart for how it works out. Really, confuses is basically one of the most underrated abilities in the entire game (which is why I love Seeds of Confusion... it's up basically every mob, and it's pretty easy to hit the entire spawn with it).

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