'Twixt'? Anyone remember this guy?

There's something on CNet's web site also.

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These days every company, project, website, circus clown, and dog websites have community-oriented features that are supposed to facilitate some deeper level of interaction. While some communities thrive, others plateau and become something less than the sponsor wants it to be. That's clearly the case with the City of Heroes example above.

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However, since it's a only a blog, I don't hold it to the standards of an actual 'news article'.

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Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project

I am waiting for Jack T's interview on the subject.

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total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

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haw!

too bad PA is on vacation, i'm sure we'd get a good strip out of this.

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The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.

My City Was Gone

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Follow-up article: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...web_sound.html

It appears that Mr. Chuck Cook is as lazy as the good professor when it comes to writing. He links to this thread in his article, yet makes no mention of all the legitimate ethics issues and continues to treat the professor's word as truth. He also repeats the worst examples of the out-of-game abuses from his first article and cherry-picks responses to make it sound like all gamers respond that way.

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Likely he's trying to build up a solid resume that will impress the powers that be over at Fox News. One day, he will make it big time!

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I'm waiting to see if Gabe and Tycho touch it.

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also, HEY THERE NOLA.COM! Don't get any funny ideas about throwing beads, I'm British. :P

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When I saw the article here: http://www.massively.com/2009/07/07/loyo...villains-playe/

the first thing that came to mind:



He Greifed in the name of SCIENCE!!!

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Come on some one had to say it

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Yeah or:

Hypothesis: Water is wet.
Experiment: Will enter a body of water.
Analysis and results: Got wet
Conclusion: I wuz rite! GIMME MY Ph....uh, how do you spell PhD?

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I'm working on a thesis that cookies are delicious...still gathering evidence though...*nom*

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DAMMIT YOU ATE ALL THE EVIDENCE!

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When I saw the article here: http://www.massively.com/2009/07/07/loyo...villains-playe/



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And they link to the post on the Freedom boards. Who's griefing now?

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Follow-up article: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...web_sound.html

It appears that Mr. Chuck Cook is as lazy as the good professor when it comes to writing. He links to this thread in his article, yet makes no mention of all the legitimate ethics issues and continues to treat the professor's word as truth. He also repeats the worst examples of the out-of-game abuses from his first article and cherry-picks responses to make it sound like all gamers respond that way.

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I decided to register on the site to post a response, since they linked to this thread and I'm the OP.

First, the writer is Mr. Vargas, not Mr. Cook. I accidentally snagged the name of the picture, not the byline. Here's my response:

Mr. Vargas, your follow-up article continues to be painfully slanted and biased towards Prof. Myers. You continue to write about the scholarly professor vs. the vindictive PvPers, yet you completely ignore the points in the thread on the official forums to which you link in this article. (Full discosure: I am the original poster of that thread.)

Nowhere in your articles do you address the ethics issues of the professor performing ethnographic research on unwilling and unknowing subjects (and most likely, minors). He acted as an instigator to the events and was in no way an impartial observer, which fatally taints his research. Folks who were impacted by his actions have been urged to begin an ethics complaint against the professor.

Nor do you address the professor's attitude towards those defeated. Your writing, most likely paraphrased from the professor's paper, makes it appear that the professor would perform legal but looked down upon acts, and then soak up the vitriol. However, if you had read the thread, you would see that he "talked trash, he posted kill-logs, and he specifically harassed those who expressed the most outrage. He portrays himself as some victim who doesn't understand the anger directed at him, but it simply wasn't the case." To expect for the most competitive portion of the gaming population to be unresponsive to such blatant taunts and insults is naive at best.

Finally, the general consensus in that thread is that the professor was someone who got caught playing City of Heroes on university time and had to somehow make it research to avoid sanctions. Note he started playing not long after the game launched in 2004, yet did not start his "research" until 2006, and only stopped it when certain changes were made to the PvP system that minimized the effects of his actions.

Professor Myers' blanket portrayal of the community is highly inaccurate considering that he "played" on 3 of 11 servers, and focused his actions solely in PvP zones, something which perhaps 10% of the population participate in. If you'd like to get a better feel for the kind of people who play City of Heroes, I can direct you to a thread about a dad and his young daughter playing the game together, the story of a server community adopting a puma at a zoological park, and a previous news article written about how the game allows family members separated by vast distances to interact despite being oceans apart.

In short, Professor Myers' paper is horrible piece of "research" and both articles on nola.com are incredibly biased towards the professor and his unethical research methodology.

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I still laugh at people who nerd rage over getting beat in a video game (be it by a drone or players).

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I laugh over shiny things with amusingly cute names but do you see me mentioning it at every opportunity (yet?)

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Still hate the visit Winscott mission- make it dropable, have it give actual exp or remove it altogether. PS- Down knows who you are.
J/ Wilde/ / AIL - Celebrating five years!

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Follow-up article: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...web_sound.html

It appears that Mr. Chuck Cook is as lazy as the good professor when it comes to writing. He links to this thread in his article, yet makes no mention of all the legitimate ethics issues and continues to treat the professor's word as truth. He also repeats the worst examples of the out-of-game abuses from his first article and cherry-picks responses to make it sound like all gamers respond that way.

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I decided to register on the site to post a response, since they linked to this thread and I'm the OP.

First, the writer is Mr. Vargas, not Mr. Cook. I accidentally snagged the name of the picture, not the byline. Here's my response:

Mr. Vargas, your follow-up article continues to be painfully slanted and biased towards Prof. Myers. You continue to write about the scholarly professor vs. the vindictive PvPers, yet you completely ignore the points in the thread on the official forums to which you link in this article. (Full discosure: I am the original poster of that thread.)

Nowhere in your articles do you address the ethics issues of the professor performing ethnographic research on unwilling and unknowing subjects (and most likely, minors). He acted as an instigator to the events and was in no way an impartial observer, which fatally taints his research. Folks who were impacted by his actions have been urged to begin an ethics complaint against the professor.

Nor do you address the professor's attitude towards those defeated. Your writing, most likely paraphrased from the professor's paper, makes it appear that the professor would perform legal but looked down upon acts, and then soak up the vitriol. However, if you had read the thread, you would see that he "talked trash, he posted kill-logs, and he specifically harassed those who expressed the most outrage. He portrays himself as some victim who doesn't understand the anger directed at him, but it simply wasn't the case." To expect for the most competitive portion of the gaming population to be unresponsive to such blatant taunts and insults is naive at best.

Finally, the general consensus in that thread is that the professor was someone who got caught playing City of Heroes on university time and had to somehow make it research to avoid sanctions. Note he started playing not long after the game launched in 2004, yet did not start his "research" until 2006, and only stopped it when certain changes were made to the PvP system that minimized the effects of his actions.

Professor Myers' blanket portrayal of the community is highly inaccurate considering that he "played" on 3 of 11 servers, and focused his actions solely in PvP zones, something which perhaps 10% of the population participate in. If you'd like to get a better feel for the kind of people who play City of Heroes, I can direct you to a thread about a dad and his young daughter playing the game together, the story of a server community adopting a puma at a zoological park, and a previous news article written about how the game allows family members separated by vast distances to interact despite being oceans apart.

In short, Professor Myers' paper is horrible piece of "research" and both articles on nola.com are incredibly biased towards the professor and his unethical research methodology.

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Very well put Space and I have also crafted an email of my own to the author of the article in question and voiced pretty much the same arguments that you raised and told him he should reconsider the article and perhaps post an apology to the community and the devs of COH which are smeared by this travesty of a report.

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From the originally-linked article:

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Myers was stunned by the reaction, since he obeyed the game's rules.

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Maybe he also got banned for PLing in AE.

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They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a comedian.
But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!

If I became a red name, I would be all "and what would you mere mortals like to entertain me with today, mu hu ha ha ha!" ~Arcanaville

Does Myers become equally stunned when he gets a ticket for speeding? Afterall, he was obeying the laws of physics... >.>

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Does Myers become equally stunned when he gets a ticket for speeding? Afterall, he was obeying the laws of physics... >.>

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He is pretty selective about what "rules" he claims to be playing by.

Right now, he seems to think that a substantive issue being left out of discussions of his behavior is the "rule" that you are to compete to win the zone. What he continues to fail to address is how his frustration-inducing tactics were necessary to do that.

He's almost certainly too smart not to know the difference between a "rule" and a "goal," which means that he's intentionally being obtuse. I also have no doubt that he's chuckling in his office as he reads these forums, and telling himself that this too counts as "research".

Meh. Academic troll is academic.

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My postings to this forum are not to be used as data in any research study without my express written consent.

Someone write up a paper on this refuting his positions and conclusions and send it to the head of his department.

I'll pay for the postage if necessary.

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Mod 8 would you please consolidate the 6 separate threads and sticky it?

Please?

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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670

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Mod 8 would you please consolidate the 6 separate threads and sticky it?

Please?

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This topic isnt important at all. Why does it need a sticky?

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I think you're on to something there Optic

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I think you're on to something there Optic

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Consolidate and Delete

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I'm sorry that you cannot see the value or importance of this topic.

Very educational and epic.

To each their own I guess.

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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670

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I think you're on to something there Optic

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Consolidate and Delete

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We are the Borg, you will be consolidated?

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I'm sorry that you cannot see the value or importance of this topic.

Very educational and epic.

To each their own I guess.

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So some guy that thinks far to much of himself = educational?

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Consolidate, discuss, learn and enjoy the epicness!

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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670

this whole post is post count fodder

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