'Twixt'? Anyone remember this guy?
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Posted on: 2009-07-06 16:03 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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It's beem entertaining to watch his posts become less rational even as they become more articulate. Eventually i expect him to reach timecube levels of incomprehensibility/irrelevance. It's like he's attempting the Chewbacca defense.
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It's beem entertaining to watch his posts become less rational even as they become more articulate. Eventually i expect him to reach timecube levels of incomprehensibility/irrelevance. It's like he's attempting the Chewbacca defense.
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been a while since I've seen that...I giggled
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I was not so much shocked by my opponents being angry and as what they were angry about. If we were playing chess, and you got very angry that I moved my bishop just moved my bishop, thats all then I would be equally surprised.[ QUOTE ]
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This is hyperbole and it's missplaced. There is no TP Foe in Chess.
What you quoted is actually where he makes a valid point. Which is that people whine even when tactics are used which are within the game rules, but often against social rules. This is compounded by the fact that it is entirely consensual for them to be there (they voluntarily chose to enter a PvP zone).
Furthermore, he is making the point that it is distressing, at least to him, when game rules are changed or removed because of the volume from the social rules.
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Actually, my take on it would be something like this:
In chess, there's no rule AGAINST having a half-dozen coaches, taking six hours between moves to study every aspect of what your opponent just did, playing the moves out against something like Big Blue to determine what your ideal next move would be, etc.
However, that's generally FROWNED UPON, because it would be viewed as a form of "cheating", even though it's not technically cheating (unless you're in a tournament or something similar where there are written rules to the contrary). Your opponent could do the exact same thing, after all. They just choose not to, because they're playing with the understanding that there are certain "unspoken rules" that are obeyed.
MMOs function similarly to that, both in PvE and PvP. While it's perfectly legal and within the rules to, say, let someone repeatedly die just so you can use Vengeance on them, or Fallout for your own benefit, it's generally viewed as a kind of malicious thing to do, and hence is frowned upon. There's nothing in the rules that SAYS an Empathy Defender must take Fortitude or Adrenaline Boost, but if you don't, it's generally frowned upon. Etc, etc.
This is a case of "social rules". In PvP, it's similar. It's generally understood that you don't abuse the police/arachnos drones to kill someone, or teleport them into a bunch of NPCs. What Twixt did was simply IGNORE the "social rules", believing him to be superior to them, and believing that the "game rules" trumped them, so that whatever he did -- no matter what, as long as it was within the mechanical rules of the game -- was fair.
This went against the established social rules. And he acts surprised that he ended up disliked because of it.
Let's use another example. We're all standing in line waiting to buy tickets to a new movie that just came out. There's nothing LEGAL stopping me from just walking to he head of the line ahead of everyone else and buying my ticket. Nobody could call a cop and have them arrest me for it. However, SOCIETY has established over the years that this is a behavior that is frowned upon, so you don't do it.
I imagine that the professor doesn't cut in front of lines just because there's no rule against it, right? And surely he wouldn't act surprised if those he cut in front of reacted angrily do his doing so, right?
The entire basis of his "research" is flawed, as many others have said. He acted like a jerk, went against the "social rules" (or acted "unsportsmanlike" if you'd prefer), and tries to pretend that he's surprised when this garners him a negative reaction. The fact that he added fuel to the fire by constant trash-talking doesn't win him any points, either. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he was doing that.
As someone said very early on in the thread, my guess is that he got caught playing CoX on a university computer/univeristy time, and threw together his "research" excuse to cover for it. That's why his paper is so simplistic, and its conclusion of "If you act like a jerk, people won't like you" a head-scratcher. This is a revelation WHY?
Oh well.
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Okay not only am I convinced this Optical Illusion guy is Twixt on an alt account but does anybody understand just what the heck he's talking about with this response?
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I'll take a crack at...not like I'll see his response or anything. Besides, I'm about to go to bed so I might say something funny.
TWIXT is uber and "someone" sucks (I think there's a subject confusion in the farmer/fight club section).
The person he quoted is a hypocrite, griefer, liar, story teller.
People hate TWIXT because of the incorrect and uneducated things other people are saying, despite the fact that there is no 'real' knowledge about the situation.
TWIXT can do no wrong (even when he's being investigated).
I...I can't even begin to decipher this last statement since it's based on assumptions that just aren't true. O_I, the reason they're saying the 'above' isn't true is, well, because it's not. The basic premise of the 'experiment' is mostly sound (based off the information I know). However, his actual experiment tried to prove something else...Okay, I will give one example of faulty logic within the paper just for the purposes of my argument.
What are these 'core rules' that he keeps talking about?
In real life he claims that there are no 'core rules' like there are in a game. I would argue that this is a fallacy on his part. In real life I cannot jump to the moon, the 'rule' or law of gravity prevents me from doing that. I cannot breath in a vacuum. I would die at a certain velocity. All of these things are the 'rules' of the world.
Similarly there are 'core rules' in CoH and any MMO. I cannot jump to the moon because the in-game 'gravity' does not allow it. I cannot fly to the moon because there is a ceiling that similarly does not allow it. I cannot run faster than a certain speed because the developers have put limits on how fast I can run. The consequences of my actions are different, but there are still limits and rules in place. "RV is there for heroes or villains to win the zone" is not one of these rules. It is a suggested activity and is one of the things a player can do in RV, but it is not one of these 'core rules' (I.E. I am not prevented from or forced to engage in this activity).
I hope that clears things up a bit, and I hope it calms O_I down from his own form of nerdrage. As for me? It's time for bed. 
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Okay not only am I convinced this Optical Illusion guy is Twixt on an alt account but does anybody understand just what the heck he's talking about with this response?
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I doubt rational sense is important to Dr. Myers at this point.
My money is on him using his OPTICAL_ILLUSION alter ego to simply poke the player base in an effort to get us to insult him. Then he will use those insults in either another non-peer-reviewed paper or as a chapter in his vanity press book. I predict that he will be quoting the worst responses he can find here, of course, while not even mentioning all the rational, well-reasoned, well argued responses. Not to mention totally failing to quote himself and the things he said that garnered the insults.
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I have read this thread (and now my head hurts)
The first thing that popped into my head, in regards to what Mr. Myers was thinking when he wrote his "paper", was: "I reject your reality, and substitute my own."
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Okay not only am I convinced this Optical Illusion guy is Twixt on an alt account but does anybody understand just what the heck he's talking about with this response?
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I doubt rational sense is important to Dr. Myers at this point.
My money is on him using his OPTICAL_ILLUSION alter ego to simply poke the player base in an effort to get us to insult him. Then he will use those insults in either another non-peer-reviewed paper or as a chapter in his vanity press book. I predict that he will be quoting the worst responses he can find here, of course, while not even mentioning all the rational, well-reasoned, well argued responses. Not to mention totally failing to quote himself and the things he said that garnered the insults.
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It would be consistent with the paper. Deciding on a conclusion in advance and then selecting only the evidence that supports the conclusion is almost the exact opposite of science. It seems clear that Dr. Myers either does not have a degree in a science, or he has rejected/forgotten the most basic principles of all sciences.
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I have read this thread (and now my head hurts)
The first thing that popped into my head, in regards to what Mr. Myers was thinking when he wrote his "paper", was: "I reject your reality, and substitute my own."
[/ QUOTE ] Curse you! i wish i'd thought of that phrase first. It's a beautifully concise summary of what i've seen of the doctor's writings.
(The curse is not meant literally, i am not actually wishing some sort of mystical harm upon you. It's merely a humorously hyperbolic response. Not being Dr. Myers i'm pretty certain you already realize this.) 
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What was said on the site...Twixt" became perhaps the game's most reviled, abused player because his playing methods were unpopular.
Thats a bunch of bull. Probably only about 1-2% of the player base, probably less, knew Twixt. Played on one server, mainly in a PvP zone...not that many people really. I didnt know who this person was untill this.
They need to change that crap cause it's a lie. A big fat one.
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Let's use another example. We're all standing in line waiting to buy tickets to a new movie that just came out. There's nothing LEGAL stopping me from just walking to he head of the line ahead of everyone else and buying my ticket. Nobody could call a cop and have them arrest me for it. However, SOCIETY has established over the years that this is a behavior that is frowned upon, so you don't do it.
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Another analogy might be along these lines:
There is a foot bridge across a shallow river. Some people cross the bridge on foot, some people cross by bicycle, some people fish off the bridge, some people just like to sit and enjoy the scenery. Along comes Twixt, who feels that the foot bridge should only be used for crossing the river on foot, because it's a foot bridge and that's it's purpose. So, to that end Twixt begins to push people off the bridge who is using the bridge for any purpose other than crossing by foot.
Now, there is nothing against pushing people off the bridge in the laws of physics. It's just a matter of leverage and force. So, according to Twixt there is nothing wrong with what he is doing. However, pushing people off bridges is wrong according to social laws. If you did that in the real world, it would get you into trouble.
Personally, there are a bunch of problems with Dr. Myers research, assumptions, and conclusions in the Twixt episode. My opinion is that the 'Twixt paper' is flawed, and the quality of the paper is sub par coming from a doctorate who's focus is in this particular area of study.
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Ok, I read the paper and the news article both, and am nearly rolling with laughter about both.
For one thing, I played in RV at the same time as Twixt was around, and we hated him. Heroes and Villians alike for one main reason! He was a hypocrite of the highest order. He would start chat wars himself, with anyone and everyone, from the time he entered the zone till he left.
The articles also don't include tha fact that the great anti-farmer Twixt got caught farming himself so many times it wasn't even funny, and this was after he berated Hero farmers for doing the same, uh HYPOCRITE!
Another fact is that isn't farming a part of the game, as long as it is not an exploit? So his hate for something that can be done under the rules of the game is as unreasonable as people hating his grieving?
I really wish I had thought Twixt was more than some basement troll, living in his Mom's basement and not having a life other than making others miserable, so I had made chat logs.... sigh!
I contacted the editor of the paper that posted the article and also Mr. Myers department head to see what I would hear back.... I'll let you guys know if I hear anything back.
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What was said on the site...Twixt" became perhaps the game's most reviled, abused player because his playing methods were unpopular.
Thats a bunch of bull. Probably only about 1-2% of the player base, probably less, knew Twixt. Played on one server, mainly in a PvP zone...not that many people really. I didnt know who this person was untill this.
They need to change that crap cause it's a lie. A big fat one.
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This is a normal media practice - exaggerate and sensationalize a 'fact' that is not easily refuted. Can you PROVE it's not true?
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What was said on the site...Twixt" became perhaps the game's most reviled, abused player because his playing methods were unpopular.
Thats a bunch of bull. Probably only about 1-2% of the player base, probably less, knew Twixt. Played on one server, mainly in a PvP zone...not that many people really. I didnt know who this person was untill this.
They need to change that crap cause it's a lie. A big fat one.
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This is a normal media practice - exaggerate and sensationalize a 'fact' that is not easily refuted. Can you PROVE it's not true?
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Well to become the games most reviled player he would need to know and have teamed with most of the people that play the game. Now from what I am hearing he spent damn near all his time on only a couple servers and even then it was mainly in PvP. Following that train of thought there is no way he can be the games most reviled player due to only interacting with a small percentage of the actual population of the game.
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What was said on the site...Twixt" became perhaps the game's most reviled, abused player because his playing methods were unpopular.
Thats a bunch of bull. Probably only about 1-2% of the player base, probably less, knew Twixt. Played on one server, mainly in a PvP zone...not that many people really. I didnt know who this person was untill this.
They need to change that crap cause it's a lie. A big fat one.
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This is a normal media practice - exaggerate and sensationalize a 'fact' that is not easily refuted. Can you PROVE it's not true?
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Well to become the games most reviled player he would need to know and have teamed with most of the people that play the game. Now from what I am hearing he spent damn near all his time on only a couple servers and even then it was mainly in PvP. Following that train of thought there is no way he can be the games most reviled player due to only interacting with a small percentage of the actual population of the game.
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Well to become the games most reviled player he would need to know and have teamed with most of the people that play the game.
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No, not at all. It was never claimed he was reviled by most of the players, just that he was the most reviled. If this game was all happy sunshine and kittens, you might only need 3 people to hate you to be the most reviled.
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Well to become the games most reviled player he would need to know and have teamed with most of the people that play the game.
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No, not at all. It was never claimed he was reviled by most of the players, just that he was the most reviled. If this game was all happy sunshine and kittens, you might only need 3 people to hate you to be the most reviled.
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Yeah, but at the time he was operating there were at least a couple players who were reviled by a large portion of their server for bad PvE behavior, which meant they were far more widely despised.
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Well to become the games most reviled player he would need to know and have teamed with most of the people that play the game.
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No, not at all. It was never claimed he was reviled by most of the players, just that he was the most reviled. If this game was all happy sunshine and kittens, you might only need 3 people to hate you to be the most reviled.
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Yeah, but at the time he was operating there were at least a couple players who were reviled by a large portion of their server for bad PvE behavior, which meant they were far more widely despised.
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I'm pretty sure Stryke Force (or Stryker, or whatever the original player was called) was hated by more people for longer then Twixt. If only because he affected a much larger community: PvE Players.
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Well to become the games most reviled player he would need to know and have teamed with most of the people that play the game.
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No, not at all. It was never claimed he was reviled by most of the players, just that he was the most reviled. If this game was all happy sunshine and kittens, you might only need 3 people to hate you to be the most reviled.
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Yeah, but at the time he was operating there were at least a couple players who were reviled by a large portion of their server for bad PvE behavior, which meant they were far more widely despised.
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I'm pretty sure Stryke Force (or Stryker, or whatever the original player was called) was hated by more people for longer then Twixt. If only because he affected a much larger community: PvE Players.
[/ QUOTE ]i think that's what i just said without actually specifying names. There have been people like that on several servers at various times.
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This is a normal media practice - exaggerate and sensationalize a 'fact' that is not easily refuted. Can you PROVE it's not true?
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I question "normal".
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Well to become the games most reviled player he would need to know and have teamed with most of the people that play the game.
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No, not at all. It was never claimed he was reviled by most of the players, just that he was the most reviled. If this game was all happy sunshine and kittens, you might only need 3 people to hate you to be the most reviled.
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Yeah, but at the time he was operating there were at least a couple players who were reviled by a large portion of their server for bad PvE behavior, which meant they were far more widely despised.
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I'm pretty sure Stryke Force (or Stryker, or whatever the original player was called) was hated by more people for longer then Twixt. If only because he affected a much larger community: PvE Players.
[/ QUOTE ]i think that's what i just said without actually specifying names. There have been people like that on several servers at various times.
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Then just count me as agreeing by mentioning a name. I think I was half asleep when I posted that.
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What was said on the site...Twixt" became perhaps the game's most reviled, abused player because his playing methods were unpopular.
Thats a bunch of bull. Probably only about 1-2% of the player base, probably less, knew Twixt. Played on one server, mainly in a PvP zone...not that many people really. I didnt know who this person was untill this.
They need to change that crap cause it's a lie. A big fat one.
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This is a normal media practice - exaggerate and sensationalize a 'fact' that is not easily refuted. Can you PROVE it's not true?
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I know from experience that most media people are lazy and do about zero fact checking. Perpetuating a media hoax is immensely simple. Reports will quite literally swallow anything if you present it in the right way, and will do almost no legwork (if actually no legwork) to verify if it's true. Sadly, "news" is now just a form of entertainment and has no bearing on truth any more.
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This is a normal media practice - exaggerate and sensationalize a 'fact' that is not easily refuted. Can you PROVE it's not true?
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I question "normal".
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(shrug) My opinion. Purely subjective statement. I stand by it. I contend that it IS normal practice but it's just often done to a lesser degree.
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What a shame that he spent so much time and limited intellect proving something without any other studies in compassion. Any academic study worth the paper it's printed on has placebo studies and contrary experiments designed to PROVE the worth of the initial proposal.
All this man did was play a certain way and then extrapolate an entire, unsubstantiated theory based on a subjective and unbalanced methodology. What a waste.
I would have been more impressed if he had created several characters that did entirely opposite things and created a balanced investigation. How about the pvper who rushes in to save allies? How about one that heals anyone who needs it? Who gives out uninvited inpsies, influence and is uncommonly generous?
His lack of true academic curiosity and shallow theories are disappointing, pathetically presented and absolutely worthless based on such a single-minded approach.
He gives genuine research a bigger pain in the [censored] than he does pvpers.
Oh and Smurch, there are some media outlets that fall down in terms of their legitimacy, but there are many that do due diligence to a fault.
.. and yes ... I do know that for a fact.
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till he has something worth saying, I'd take everything like a grain of salt from him.
[/ QUOTE ]It's been entertaining to watch his posts become less rational even as they become more articulate. Eventually i expect him to reach timecube levels of incomprehensibility/irrelevance. It's like he's attempting the Chewbacca defense.
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i make stuff...