'Twixt'? Anyone remember this guy?
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7thCynic,
Posted on: 2009-07-06 16:03 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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He provoked people to get their reaction. I remember him droning people and then instigating them.
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There is nothing wrong with that.
Some take it to the extreme by making sexual, racial and other offensive comments but that was not Twixt. Obviously what he did never got him perma banned from the game after all these years despite complaints so moot point.
As I have said, what he put in his paper was enough and appropriate. Yes he could have added more but that would have changed the point of the paper or gotten it off track. I'm sure when he writes a book on it there will be more information like that but the paper addresses the topic as needed.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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I came off sounding like a d-bag in that sentence. I believe that a dev once said that droning is a valid tactic in pvp. As such, droning is possibly the easiest thing to avoid. Not being near the base, oranges, or a Kin easily negates being droned. It's funny when people get droned then [censored] about it.
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Nah, it came off as intended. Maybe a little tiny bit harsher then intended, but you still made a point.
It made me take a long look over what I had typed.
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I have proof as well. I may not have recorded chat info, but I know for sure that when I was playing on my villain and Twixt was there, he was taunting the opposing side one way or another. So really, that entire article is bull. He's not some innocent guy the story makes him out to be.
Edit: I forgot to add in that he's also a hypocrite.
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"Ho ho, moar phase lootboi."
Was one of his favourite phrases.
Twixt never griefed. Droning people isn't griefing. He did make Haikus, which may be griefing that writing form but he never, to my knowledge at least, made personal threats or invectives on others.
Twixt:
*Fly up to about 80'
*Queue Teleport Foe on someone
*Hit Touch of Fear
*Let mobs follow up or even attack them
Or he'd just TP you into a Heavy. People would get SO MAD at him. The funny thing is he could fight back quite well, I remember M3zm3r1ze saying VORI hunted him down once and they had a hard time of it...possibly made a Youtube.
The Prof ably demonstrated that people will apply rules of etiquette and such when in a new setting. People also have a concept of 'fair' in events, no doubt from real life strictures of gaming/sports that is removed in these zones.
To be fair, as annoying as Twixt was I never saw (or least experienced) him TPing into those small towers or whatnot...you did get debt at times tough.
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So lemme see if I got this right...
OPTICAL_ILLUSION = Twixt?
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So lemme see if I got this right...
OPTICAL_ILLUSION = Twixt?
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Nah. More likely one of his students.
"The accusation is interesting mainly because Myers's definition of griefing is interesting. Like most people, he agrees that the effect of griefing is to make its victims feel "stupid/clueless/lame/ineffectual," but for him the essence lies in the grief player's invention of new rules for himself -- a metagame that trumps the game the victims think they're playing and effectively rubs their noses in the message that "your rules are not as real/true/powerful as my rules." "
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I'm sure Twixt and O_I would claim that it's not "inventing new rules" to do things that are within the designed parameters of the game but that are frowned upon by the majority. That presupposes a primacy of what can be done above all else, and also argues based on consequence (i.e., "He was never banned, so he never did anything wrong"). Others would suggest that violating accepted norms in a zone is a form of inventing new rules for that zone. It devolves into semantics, which I'm not interested in arguing.
I'm curious how they would respond to the rest of the offered paragraph, though. Droning and fear/mob/fear/debt both seem to be designed to make other players feel "lame/ineffectual", and certainly the crowing about "never violated the EULA" and "played within the rules" speaks to a rubbing of the nose in the message that the socially consensual rules are not as real or powerful as those utilized by Twixt.
Seems rather like Myers' own definition makes him a griefer, despite what he and his acolyte would claim.
My postings to this forum are not to be used as data in any research study without my express written consent.
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The funny thing is he could fight back quite well, I remember M3zm3r1ze saying VORI hunted him down once and they had a hard time of it
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Yes Twixt knew how to PvP quite well on his LOLMelee. Yeah and no Phase on the toons I had seen prior to I13. He had superior skill, tactics, knowledge and timing.
Recently in the Freedom section of the boards someone started a thread to grief Twixt (you know who you are) and M3z popped in and said something along the lines of "I'm a better PvPer then anyone posting in this thread and Twixt was the best thing that happened to PvP" or "Twixt is a Beast". Sorry the thread was deleted and only M3z or those who remember can confirm it.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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The funny thing is he could fight back quite well, I remember M3zm3r1ze saying VORI hunted him down once and they had a hard time of it
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Yes Twixt knew how to PvP quite well on his LOLMelee. Yeah and no Phase on the toons I had seen prior to I13. He had superior skill, tactics, knowledge and timing.
Recently in the Freedom section of the boards someone started a thread to grief Twixt (you know who you are) and M3z popped in and said something along the lines of "I'm a better PvPer then anyone posting in this thread and Twixt was the best thing that happened to PvP" or "Twixt is a Beast". Sorry the thread was deleted and only M3z or those who remember can confirm it.
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If that joker was the best thing that ever happened to PvP, then let me pour a 40 out for it right now.
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The funny thing is he could fight back quite well, I remember M3zm3r1ze saying VORI hunted him down once and they had a hard time of it
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Yes Twixt knew how to PvP quite well on his LOLMelee. Yeah and no Phase on the toons I had seen prior to I13. He had superior skill, tactics, knowledge and timing.
Recently in the Freedom section of the boards someone started a thread to grief Twixt (you know who you are) and M3z popped in and said something along the lines of "I'm a better PvPer then anyone posting in this thread and Twixt was the best thing that happened to PvP" or "Twixt is a Beast". Sorry the thread was deleted and only M3z or those who remember can confirm it.
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I would say he knew how to use his powers for disruption for sure. The reason it was stated he was the best thing to happen to pvp is because it cause people to go into the zone and therefore more targets.
I found this little bit in the old thread about him that he has saved. It is a reply from Twixt about a self proclaimed RV farmer. Interesting are his words.
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Here's the question.
Should a player be allowed, whether by the design of the game, developer/moderator fiat, or other players, to farm unimpeded within Recluse's Victory?
My position is this: Farming unimpeded within RV is wrong. NOT simply because it is a carebear thing to do. but because of two things: 1) It is against the design and spirit of the game. 2) It is an activity that precludes other players from doing the same thing.
The substance of number one, I think, is obvious. Number two means that if unimpeded farming were sanctionable, then only six players (three vill hvys, three hero hvys) could pursue it at any one time. Thus, for the sake of those six, the entire zone would be unavailable either for the pillbox game or, significantly, for farming by others. I consider this extremely selfish and, since it is possible under current conditions in RV, an example of extremely poor MMO design.
That's my position. What's yours?
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Point of clarification: All players in RV, particularly those who oppose Twixt in some way, seem to think that everything Twixt says is about them. Hoho. The phrase I use to describe farmers is consistently "lowlife slimeball farmers," because, I figure, if the shoe fits...
Faraq is indeed, by far, now that the no-caps non-English speaking vill farmers have been driven away (I can't imagine by whom), the most consistent -- and I mean multiple hours every single day -- non-participant-in-anything-but-farming farmer in RV. To the extent that faraq meets the qualifications of a lowlife slimeball farmer, I believe this label is properly descriptive. It is not, however, directed at any one player in particular.
In order to explore the ramifications of verbal harassment, however (in which I am also interested), I will post elsewhere.
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Nah. More likely one of his students.
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I dunno bud.
If it looks like Gelfling, and smells like Gelfling, it MUST be Gelfling!
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03-26-2008 22:18:04 [Broadcast]Twixt: <color #010101>faraq lowlife slimeball farmer, check
03-26-2008 22:19:03 [Broadcast]Ka Faraq Gatri: <color #010101>Twixt!!!! How ya doing my delusional, maniac/depressive, half-wit, moronic, stooge. Been gone for about 3 days recovering the flu. Did you miss me snookem's?
03-26-2008 22:19:27 [Broadcast]Twixt: <color #010101>im ignorning your little slimeball lowlife farmer [censored], gl, miserable cheater pos
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This was not trolling, nor malicious? Was this also part of RPing Twixt?
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03-26-2008 22:18:04 [Broadcast]Twixt: <color #010101>faraq lowlife slimeball farmer, check
03-26-2008 22:19:03 [Broadcast]Ka Faraq Gatri: <color #010101>Twixt!!!! How ya doing my delusional, maniac/depressive, half-wit, moronic, stooge. Been gone for about 3 days recovering the flu. Did you miss me snookem's?
03-26-2008 22:19:27 [Broadcast]Twixt: <color #010101>im ignorning your little slimeball lowlife farmer [censored], gl, miserable cheater pos
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This was not trolling, nor malicious? Was this also part of RPing Twixt?
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From what I can tell from that and the chatlog it came from, there's a group of players who display legitimate behaviour that is in no way breaching the game's rules but is frowned upon by Twixt as a follower of artificial social customs. So he tried to stop them by verbally abusing them. For Science.
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My position is this: Farming unimpeded within RV is wrong. NOT simply because it is a carebear thing to do. but because of two things: 1) It is against the design and spirit of the game. 2) It is an activity that precludes other players from doing the same thing.
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Wait, so his griefing is allowed because it's within the rules of the game, but when people farm in RV because the game allows it, it's wrong?
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Apparently he saved a thread about Twixt, and has some interesting comments to be made. He's Fasque by the way. He seems to get pretty deep into his 'role'.
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This was an epic thread.
Glad someone saved a copy.
Twixt poetry... heh
The fax
If I were to tell you why
You think I want your toon to die
It wouldnt be to save your life
Or make that death a sacrifice
If I were to tell you when
You think I want a game to win
You wouldnt recognize those times
When all ur urs are all my imes
And if I were to kill you
As I often do
You prolly think it isnt
happening to you
So this is the problem facing both of us
I can tell you what to do but not so that you must
Youll still be there respawning
Long after you have died
Youll wake up dull and yawning
Beneath the sheets and hide
from all those baddy bad guys
and thoughts inside your head
That twist and twixt and twizzle
Omg, ur ded.
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You expect that a community of 150,000 would accomodate a guy who went out of his way to harass others
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Here lies one of the fundamental problem with most of you here. Please write down exactly what PvP methods Twixt used to "harass" people in the game that would be considered against the game zone mechanics or rules. Anybody?
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then trash talked them in an attempt to get a sexy response for his paper
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Here is the second fundamental problem. The majority of the time after Twixt would attack or TP someone into critters or drones, the players on the recieving end would complain in broadcast then Twixt would respond. Yes Twixt would use broadcast PvP as a method but many of you are making it sound like others were merely innocent, respectful and honorable players who ran around saying GF, GG and nothing else.
I have a few more things to add but I'll hold off until I get some responses to these areas.
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"Harass" has nothing to do with whether it is within the rules.
I am not a party to any of these events so I can only go by what is written here, but there is apparently quite the log of evidence that "he" (and come on, what are the chances that it's not "you?") made a point in reveling in this business on the boards, which can not be a mere response if he was the OP.
Your defensiveness about it being "within the rules" as a response to my use of the word harassment is telling. Since you obviously are not particularly open minded, I'll spell it out plainly: harassment, as a word, is completely unrelated to the subject of rules. There is no rule against going up to random strangers and singing or putting your mouth on them until they give you food, and doing so works to your advantage as a biological animal, yet it is also harassment.
I do not have any personal involvement in this, and will mention that I did not hear of Twixt until this, because I expect you are probably thinking at this point of the post of dismissing me as somebody who got pwned by Twixt. No, I am a fan of sociology, and this is a piss-poor attempt at the subject, which I will say to head off the inevitable claim that I just don't get it.
This is about as much of a breaching experiment as going into an amazon village, dumping your hut's sewage on everybody else's houses, and then saying that their response demonstrates the intolerance of their culture at creative ways to get ahead.
If he were actually interested in doing a breaching experiment, he would do things that would be most distinguished as going against the society's norms, such as strange ways of playing, talking, or participating. I HAVE done those kinds of things, for reasons other than experimenting, and I have not received a "medieval" response.
Instead, what he did is primarily an act that costs others exp and time. That it is against the micro society's norms is only a result of its primary nature.
The progress of the response as told in the essay also makes it clear that when he first started this supposedly deviant begavior, the response was not as extreme as it became later, as a result of his reputaton, not the act itself. The conclusions he reaches completely ignore that.
The essay is also loaded with clues of what is actually going on. Come on, it reads like PVP bragging disguised as research, because that is what it is. It makes a point of how awesome Twixt is at PVP and completely omits any of his participation in trash talk. His posts at this board prove that he was emotionally involved, and rather than passively respondng, instigated at least some of the trash talk himself. That he quit the whole thing, by his own admission, because his technique was stopped by dev action, just makes it even more obvious that his primary goal was to get his jollies by annoying people.
This is just some troll who came up with a BS paper to excuse his actions and probably to further annoy his targets. And do you seriously expect us to believe that you are not him? It's possible you're just a person who agrees with him, but how likely is it that you would have transcripts of the battles in question, and use some of the same phrases here that he uses at his blog, if that were the case?
To make this as obvious as possible and immune to his favorite rationalizations: No, I do not claim that what his was doing was against rules, or that consent was necessary, or the flamers are right, or that it was unethical. I DO claim that his conclusions are not supported by his evidence, that he is cherry picking, and that he compromised his objectivity or didn't have any to start with.
TROLLING WIN
SOCIOLOGY FAIL
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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Twixt did not use foul or offensive language.
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See that right there? That is a lie.
I'm guessing that you are Dr. Myers with an alt account. And you're here trying to further poke the player base in an attempt to elicit more hostile responses. And that you intend to include the "horrible, unfair, meeanie meeanie foo feanie" responses as an appendix to your book.
A book that will not be peer reviewed of course.
Because you know it would be ripped to bits if it were.
And furthermore, I know that if I'm correct, you will assuridly not quote me in said book. Because "Dr." Myers can only cherry pick from his "data" to support his "conclusions."
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Yeah, but to keep it in perspective: this story is on some jerkwater news site and the Twixt article is trailing one about Sarah Palin for number of comments. 
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she teleports moose into drones, ive seen it.
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Safely from a helicopter. While flipping off Russia in the distance and calling them "noobs."
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Yeah, but to keep it in perspective: this story is on some jerkwater news site and the Twixt article is trailing one about Sarah Palin for number of comments.
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she teleports moose into drones, ive seen it.
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Safely from a helicoptor. While flipping off Russia in the distance and calling them "noobs."
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I thought she had them fed into woodchippers while she gives interviews....
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Yes Twixt knew how to PvP quite well on his LOLMelee. Yeah and no Phase on the toons I had seen prior to I13. He had superior skill, tactics, knowledge and timing.
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OPTICAL_ILLUSION = Twixt
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I remember a professor who bombed one of my papers in a first year elective because he disliked that my major was physics and felt despite how it seems a physicist cannot grasp psychology ... the department head stepped in and corrected the problem.
Mr. Myers appears to be a socially maladjusted individual lashing out ... unfortunately fate has given him a little misplaced credibility, but fortunately he is screwing it up.
Everyone in research must constantly challenge their ethics to see if their research crosses a line (for me this was easy testing the conductive properties of various crystals is obviously ethical), but in behavior patterns this can be a constant issue. One must know when it is too much, and just plain wrong ... how do I back this up?
Credible researchers use knowing test subjects, subjects they can see what background they have and can monitor other influences that may result in that behavior, also in a closed lab setting it can be accurately monitored how many people are not noticeably affected by the stimulus. In this case that was not maintained ... all this research proved is if you push a random person one or more may lash out ... did that need proving to anyone? Now why was this unethical, many people in game have crappy lives, hard lives, stressful lives ... there are kids who may be frequently abused in game, other people who may rely on this outlet. Pushing these people is NOT SAFE!!! it is dangerous and in an attempt to prove an idiotic point this person put people at risk because he applied a stimulus where it could be harmful all because of ignorance.
Now yes people on edge who may be playing could be prodded by people who are just jerks and don't know better and that's too bad. But this is a person who should be following ethics ignoring what damage he could be doing because of a single-minded and misguided goal.
City of Heroes is a game, one of many. It attracts a specific type of person, the type of person who finds it fun, this type of person covers every walk of life, and almost every mental state and it is a society within a society, please respect that, and respect that the people in this game are spending their time and hard earned money to enjoy themselves. Jerks come and go, but to have someone so misguided abusing things for their own selfish goals? I can deal with a jerk ... but a jerk trying to make me suffer to any degree so he can make money off a bad book?
I wonder how brave this idiot would be if he had done the same in WoW.
I have issues with a lot of stupid science these days, sample size being one of the bigger ones.
Obviously, this game has a reasonably stable 120k give or take population. That pop is split among 11 servers, (I'm not taking into account test or the eu servers), and from there, also split among hero and villain side. Further split into an even smaller group who play PVP, and even more narrow when you look at JUST the zone he would be in.
The chances that he had an actual, real-person "survey" of more than, say, 60 people, are very slim. To be fair I don't pvp on freedom, and I know that it DOES have a larger pvp pop than many servers, but generally it's going to be the SAME group of people going in time and time again.
If he wanted to make a GOOD sample, he would have done other pvp zones, across different times of day, as well as on all 11 available servers.
It still doesn't negate the fact that what he was looking for, and what he got, were not found in any scientific manner at all. He's a gasbag troll, obviously with one or two loyal pvp followers, or multiple accounts here which I would definitely not put past him, based purely on reading his descriptions of himself and his actions. I can read way past those lines, and I see a desperate person in need of therapy, really - and, in need of getting himself a real job away from teaching.
Don't give him the honor of putting a "dr" in front of his name. He's definitely no scientist. The disrespect he shows to his subjects, to the science of science itself, and the university where he "works" are all really horrible examples of why some people need to be on a much shorter leash - and why universities should block *all* game sites on *all* their computers, really...
Get some real work done. Can't do that when you're ganking people in a video game and making up stories about why you are a martyr for your 'cause' of scientific exploration.
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You bring up very good points, and I believe that for any given scenario a real study on societal behavior you need 200+ subjects and the background of these subjects must be known (At least so some degree) ...
This was pseudo-science, someone looking to find something to prove a point he decided upon well before starting any 'research'. And reading the description, this guy seems larger than life the most amazing and wonderful and noted player ever to play the game ... yet still nowhere near as well known as jranger and his 'skillz' are highly suspect, the feats in the article he claimed are an obvious stretch.
Generally if you want to honestly write a book (which is the point of any academic writing) don't write it about yourself, you yourself knowing what you want to prove skews the data ... I want to get a degree from this university and then write a paper how epically amazing my costume designs are and how under-appreciated I am and my brilliance goes unnoticed.
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You raise a very interesting point Odacer. I may have just started into college but a english class I took recently about writing a good research paper gives credibility to what you say.
Like you said, Twixt went in trying to prove a point he already had in mind, when in reality he had some cognitive bias already. My class went on the philosophy that when performing a research investigation of any kind, you must first learn your own cognitive bias about the topic. If you go into a research assignment with a bias or wanting a specific answer, you will usually go out of your way to find research that supports your claim.
I don't claim to be an expert of any kind. Though I am still starting my college experience and after only one year I already know that when researching things you must leave all expectations at the door. This applies to all types of research, scientific or not.
Twixt forgot the critical step of identifying his bias and leaving it at the door. He had an expected result and because of it he sought out evidence to prove it and ignored some evidence that could disprove it.
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It does not matter one whit whether or not what Twixt was doing was "against the game zone mechanics or rules." What matters was that people did not find it enjoyable or even amusing. These sort of behaviors are only [marginally] forgiveable if they are funny.
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Did Twixt design the mechanics and rules for PvP in CoX?
No. He followed the mechanics and rules available to him so it becomes the players problem for not accepting these mechanics and rules.
It's a QQ situation for these players.
Don't like how PvP works then leave.
Don't like the chat then /ignore.
Don't like the mechanics then complain to the Devs and not blame Twixt for playing the game, following the rules, doing some research on a particular topic and making observations.
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just a question, you've never been subject to those kinds of methods have you? you seem to like defending Twixt, so I must question.
how would you like being Droned?
how would you like being TP Foe'd and Feared in a mob then left for dead?
The range on TP Foe is rather ridiculous, 200 base, 317 fully enhanced.
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Fire is a prime example of a person who would petition Twixt and grief him after being TPed into base drones.
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Under certain conditions, mind you.
If I told him to stop through tells, then he went on doing it repeatedly, I would simply leave the zone. If he were to make the situation worse by letting people know of my location, I would either fight for myself, leave, or temporarily put him on ignore. I would only petition him if he were mocking me/attempting to make the situation worse then it already was. I.e. Logging my death then putting it on public display and/or lashing out uncalled for public or personal insults.
Now, take a look at the bolded yellow word. Why on earth would I grief him?