Mad dog attacks?
Mad Cow disease?
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I think we are both saying the same thing. We hear you and ze good Doctor understands your feedback. Positron is twiddling at the workbench now. Have faith! Thanks!
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And THIS is why it pays to shout DOOOOOOOM if you think there is a chance that something will work in an adverse way that the devs may not have thought about. Had everyone remained silent when the naysayers were saying telling us not to worry about it until it was on test, they wouldn't be looking into doing something different.
It shows that if the player base makes good, logical, sound arguments that the Devs will listen and consider making changes.
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Feedback always works better than "shut up and don't sing."
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
A very obvious question, in case nobody actually asked it:
Will characters that have done story arcs, task/strike forces and trials in their past (and have the badges/souvenirs) receive the now rewarded recipes retroactively?
Would be very annoying to have to do every TF and trial again, but redoing story arcs is impossible. So I hope above is planned.
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Why can't we be awarded the recipes/salvage based on Souvenirs that we've already earned? I would accept this even though some of my characters didn't get a lot of them (playing on invincible means picking and choosing the ones I like doing). Why can't we be awarded recipes/salvage based on the badges we've earned for TF's/Trials? Frankly, I wouldn't like to repeat some of the TF's/Trials unless they were reworked.
The question I don't see answered is this: do the drops occur regardless of mode of play? i.e. SGMode or not in an SG.
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I'd still rather have Pools A, C, and D and make Pool B (Story Arcs) contain a nice subset of some of what can be obtained in both Pools C and D. That way the reusable content (A C and D) contains everything one could possibly want, while Story Arcs get you valuable things via soloing that you could otherwise only get via teaming (C and D).
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Yes, that idea there looks like a winner to me.
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I gotta say that I'm really suprised by the level of entitlement I'm seeing represented here. Where is it written that every character is entitled to everything? At this exact moment can you get the Winter event badges? No, you can't. Now what if they don't use those same badges next year, but you want that cool badge on your new Ice/Ice tanker? Tough. You're outa luck. Same thing here for Inventions... you may not be able to earn every IO, but that's what the friggin auction houses are for! In that way, it's even better than unavailable badges because if you can't get it on a certain character, someone else can or you can use an alt!
Also don't forget what Positron said about gameplay... IOs are not required to play and they are not raising the difficulty of mobs against the introduction of IOs, so keeping SOs is fine and in some cases will yeild better bonuses.
It's all coming across as a whole lotta "me me me" crap here people.
Now that I got that out, let me say that I do agree that having certain drops tied to non-repeatable content may make getting those kinda tough, but I have no problem with that. Where's the reward of getting something if it can be gotten at anytime? You might as well just have a friggin store selling the IOs in that case.
Jeez people lighten up, it's still a friggin game.
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The problem here is that inventions have been advertised as a way to continue playing our level 50s and continue their growth.
Then they turn around and limit some of the rarer drops - and yes, I realize that they will most likely show up at Wentworths - to content that we have already outleveled. It would be the same thing as if they had tied them to story arc mission from the core zone contacts. Most of us with 50's have not been able to grab a mission from those contacts for a long time - 1 1/2 years for my main hero.
According to nofuture.org, COH has 39 storyarcs available. Only 4 of those are available to 45+ and I have done them all.
We'll lighten up when we are sure that the devs realize that this is a mistake. Luckily with Doc's first post here, they have admitted that and are looking for alternatives.
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I still don't understand all the doom and gloom.
Oh noes, I can't get several sets out of all of them! I might as well just delete my 50 now!
Seriously, what's wrong with all the other stuff?
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As the devs have already said they are directly looking into what we've all been "doom and gloom" about, your whinning about whining is now irrelevant.
Have a nice day!
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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I am listening to your ideas, but a Flashback system is simply not something we can implement in a timeframe you would all be happy with.
Instead we are looking into other options to get you the Pool B choice so level 50s don't feel gimped.
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Dataminins shouldn't be that hard. Those who've finished the arcs have the souvenirs, the data is all right there. Can't you award us based on that, retroactively?
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That would be a good first step but still wouldn't work for everyone. I have a couple of support alts (A level 50 Illusion/Force Field and a level 49 Fire/Thermal) that have never done their own missions. They team exclusively in PUGs or with the SG so are always doing other people's missions. They have done almost all the Task/Strike Forces available and have done the Trials, but would have no Story Arcs.
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Instead we are looking into other options to get you the Pool B choice so level 50s don't feel gimped.
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Any hints?
We need way more info to get good and frothing mad.
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I can get good and frothing mad without any info, thank you very much
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I'm getting my froth from a cappucino right now so, I'm good.
Besides, Doc and Lighthouse said thay're looking at exactly what some of us seem to be concerned about the most so... damn. I need a new thing to get mad at. Suggestions?
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chickens. Chickens are evil, completely evil. Get mad at the chickens.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
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"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
Thanks Doc.
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* The majority of sets are available exclusively through defeating enemies. This means that all the pieces of the set are attainable by beating up things.
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Will specific enemies, have specific drops?
Lets say I need something dropped by Council Warwolfs. Great I head to Strigia, but as a level 50 guess what? NO DROPS. The same thing can happen for Cabel, Fir Bog, Red Caps, Warriors and any other enemy that a character has out leveled.
No team is going to exempt/malfactor a higher up player, just so he can street hunt for drops.
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I still don't understand all the doom and gloom.
Oh noes, I can't get several sets out of all of them! I might as well just delete my 50 now!
Seriously, what's wrong with all the other stuff?
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As the devs have already said they are directly looking into what we've all been "doom and gloom" about, your whinning about whining is now irrelevant.
Have a nice day!
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I never said anything about anything like that. I was wondering why it seemed to be the end of the world that you wouldn't be able to get these sets right off the bat.
Thank you, I will.
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Now I hear you guys... you all seem to dislike the Story Arc aspect of this system. I've had some discussions with the team yesterday about what we could do instead, and still keep the flavor of the four pool system, because having the extra three pools allows us to not only reward risk/reward, but time/reward as well. Takes longer to do a Task Force? Here's a nice bonus you can't get anywhere else. Finish the Respec trial, but already have all your Respecs? Here's a nice reward that carries with it some good inherent value.
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WHY STORY ARC EXCLUSIVES ARE BROKEN:
Because they are the ONLY thing you can't repeat. The only. Think about everything else on the list posted by Dr. Brainstorm:
TF - Any character 12+ can do Positron's TF (if a hero, obviously) ANY TIME THEY WANT.
Trials - Any one 24+ can do a respec trial ANY TIME THEY WANT.
Killing mobs of all levels - With exemplar you can do this ANY TIME YOU WANT.
You might need a team, that's OK. But story arcs can only be done once. Fix that or no recipes be available only from story arcs. All you're going to accomplish is creating:
ULTRA RARE LOOT
Which goes against everything you said you wanted to accomplish. It will make the game more hardcore than WoW or Everquest II.
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Absolutely agreed. And this thread still really hasn't answered that question.
If there's no Flashback system, there's going to be many, many (composed of CoH's huge pool of veteran/experienced/long-standing supporters) who will be locked out. No question of this.
Not a good path to go down on with the Introduction of Inventions. And the answer should not be roll another alt.
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Will specific enemies, have specific drops?
Lets say I need something dropped by Council Warwolfs. Great I head to Strigia, but as a level 50 guess what? NO DROPS. The same thing can happen for Cabel, Fir Bog, Red Caps, Warriors and any other enemy that a character has out leveled.
No team is going to exempt/malfactor a higher up player, just so he can street hunt for drops.
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I belive it's already been said that mob drops will depend only on mob level, not Faction.
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Elaboration: Story arcs could be the initial, "native" option that provides a recipe. That recipe could then later transition to a repeatable pool for someone who missed it. Finally, level 50 could be made into it's own range, leaving out the story arc pool or by making all available inventions in the arc pool available through the other 3 pools.
The worst case here would be someone at (say) level 46 with all of their arcs previously completed, who would have to make it to 50 to acquire the arc recipes for level 45-49. Painful, but not locked out from the ability to acquire them.
Hi Doctor,
If a flashback is not easy to do, why not just gave us two options that can be activate this way :
1/ Put a npc that allow us to exemplar to the level we want until we come and see him again.
2/ Add an option that can be used only one time per contact to reset all missions that he gaves and clears all the souvernirs / clues that come with.
That way, everyone will be able to do the Story Arcs and get the recipes they want.
It will also let us do the content we miss.
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Inventions has been touted as something that shelved level 50's can partake in. Level 50's that have completed all their story arcs already. Please, how can both of those occur? Level 50's can not experience IO's if they are locked out of acheiving specific rewards because they happened to hit the level cap before I9.
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It's like I said, we are looking into other options that keeps the mechanic of the four pool system. Our intention is to not make people feel "gimped" for previously completing all their story arcs.
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Say, Doc? Why not just have them overlap? Make Pool B (story arc) a subset of Pool D (trials)? This would make it so the people who do have the arcs open can still get to draw from a smaller well, but the trials' comparative speed would mean that people could draw from it more often and more quickly, sacrificing reliability to do so.
Tying Arc drops to Safeguards sounds like a bad idea, as Story Arcs take a long string of missions to complete (especially hero side).
And hold a tick, there's a Wentworths! Just buy the story arc content from a player. I'd advise waiting a bit, the economy's gonna be broken for a few weeks.
Everything can't be handed to us guys. Ever play Final Fantasy XI? This game is much more forgiving than you'd think.
Thank you, City of Heroes, for giving me a superhero social network combined with amazingly smooth game play. Petitions signed with realistic expectations.
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I have a problem with this beyond non-repeatable and L50's can't get.
It's not balanced between ATs. I play about 1/2 Defenders and and about 1/2 Tankers or Scrappers. I don't think I've ever completed a story arc with one of my Defenders.
Solo'ing as a Defender is somewhere between tedious and impossible. When I'm teamed we rarely play my missions (often because I don't have current contacts because I don't solo) and when we do, it's never enough to finish a story arc.
Solo'ing heros will get far more of these recipes than people who team. I think that's the opposite of the effect you want.
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Inventions has been touted as something that shelved level 50's can partake in. Level 50's that have completed all their story arcs already. Please, how can both of those occur? Level 50's can not experience IO's if they are locked out of acheiving specific rewards because they happened to hit the level cap before I9.
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It's like I said, we are looking into other options that keeps the mechanic of the four pool system. Our intention is to not make people feel "gimped" for previously completing all their story arcs.
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It's not a difficult problem.
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Maybe, maybe not.
The tech already exists to reduce a character's level (exemplaring) so they could add a button that could toggle 'flashback mode' (similar to the button that toggles 'supergroup mode'). 'Flashback mode' allows you to get any mission from any contact you have and redo it, with the catch that as soon as that mission is active (the yellow marker turns into the red marker) the character with the mission is automatically exemped down to the maximum level of the mission, similar to the tech that already exists for TFs. This would only apply to the mission owner; anyone else invited to the missions is treated as if they're on a normal mission, so higher level teammates would need to be exemped down manually and so forth. The mission owner couldn't toggle out of flashback mode while actually in the mission. If the character toggles out of flashback mode while they still have a lower level mission(s), the flashback missions will just grey out.
Some safeguards would need to be put into place to discourage PLing using the system but otherwise, most of the tech is already in game. The major sticking point seems to be a philosophical one, not a technical one.
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I still don't understand all the doom and gloom.
Oh noes, I can't get several sets out of all of them! I might as well just delete my 50 now!
Seriously, what's wrong with all the other stuff?
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As the devs have already said they are directly looking into what we've all been "doom and gloom" about, your whinning about whining is now irrelevant.
Have a nice day!
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I never said anything about anything like that. I was wondering why it seemed to be the end of the world that you wouldn't be able to get these sets right off the bat.
Thank you, I will.
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And no one ever said anything about it being the end of hte world that you won't be able to get em right off the bat. And if you don't like anyone is dicussing you don't have to read the thread.
I'm glad you will.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Just add an extra drop into both pools C and D. This drop would be chance to pull from pool B. Set it to a low occurance, like 5% heck maybe even 1%. But this way level 50s aren't entirely screwed out of the story arc recipies.
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I just read this whole thread, and the thing that sticks out at me is that I haven't seen Breakin 2 since it was in the theater. Beat Street either for that matter. Maybe TNT or Spike TV can get a marathon going or something. Does anyone know if I can get like a Breakin' Box Set on DVD? I won't comment on The Good Doc talking about Drops Harder while Positron is twiddling at his desk, that would be RUDE.
Also, I'd like to be able to invent a barn for our SG base. Just seems like a good place to store the farmed IO's. And maybe some evil frothing chickens too.
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I still don't understand all the doom and gloom.
Oh noes, I can't get several sets out of all of them! I might as well just delete my 50 now!
Seriously, what's wrong with all the other stuff?
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As the devs have already said they are directly looking into what we've all been "doom and gloom" about, your whinning about whining is now irrelevant.
Have a nice day!
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I never said anything about anything like that. I was wondering why it seemed to be the end of the world that you wouldn't be able to get these sets right off the bat.
Thank you, I will.
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And no one ever said anything about it being the end of hte world that you won't be able to get em right off the bat. And if you don't like anyone is dicussing you don't have to read the thread.
I'm glad you will.
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. --- Thomas Jefferson
Formerly known as YFNDBA
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Thus missing out on one of the four ways to get IO's.
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It's not missing out on one of the four ways, it's missing out on the ability to complete SETS.
Single use items tied to single chance mission completion? Extremely bad idea.
The only real way to eliminate this is to datamine for souvenirs. Of course, that also screws over those 50s made before Striga, Croatoa, the Hollows, and revamped Faultline were put into the game.