Drops II


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New contacts story arcs for 50s would solve the Pool B problem very nicely, hint, hint.

Edited because I didn't see the doctor's last post.


 

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I prefer: "Drops II: The Wrath of Story Arcs"
KAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNN

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Fixed that.


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Yea, I think we have hit a big contradiction with the story arc issue. I may be wrong, but I thought these changes were going to give the 50s something to do......I suppose that's true if I wanted to delete and reroll my 50s so I can get the arcs again.

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You mean as soon as you hit 50 you're immediately blocked access to every other aspect of inventions that aren't story arc recipe related?!

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No. But you shouldn't be blocked out of that aspect just cause you dinged 50 before it came.

Already there are calls of people not completing thier arcs or not teaming till I9 hits live. That's not a good thing.


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Sorry I didn't read the whole thread, so this may have been suggested already, but I wanted to get my idea out there.

As of now, we have:
Pool A is enemies, Pool B is Story Arcs, Pool C is Task Forces, and Pool D is Trials.

Why not get rid of Pool B, and have it so when you complete a Story Arc, it gives you something from Pool C or Pool D?

This way, by completing a Story Arc, you could earn the same rewards as completing a Task/Strikeforce or a Trial. Level 50s won't miss out.


 

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So, to summarize 15 pages or so of posts, here are suggestions that I dig:

* Giving TFs/Trials and Story Arcs the same Drop Pool.

* Slim chance of cross-Pool drops.

* Story Arc Pool drops for completing Mayhem/Safeguard missions.

I could easily see all three of these ideas implemented.


 

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Instead we are looking into other options to get you the Pool B choice so level 50s don't feel gimped.

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Any hints?

We need way more info to get good and frothing mad.

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I can get good and frothing mad without any info, thank you very much


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Lighthouse, my own personal opinion is this:

If we can't go back and do our story arcs, and there's no way we can sway you from granting reciepes off them, then why can't we just award a reciepes to the whole team, when a story arc is completed? Sure this would cause a lot more reciepes to be accessed, but the chance would still be unlikely that you would get an ultra-rare drop out of it.

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I think we are both saying the same thing. We hear you and ze good Doctor understands your feedback. Positron is twiddling at the workbench now. Have faith! Thanks!

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YAY!!!!


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Currently the only content available for 50s is...
Killing stuff on the street.
News/Scanner, Mayhem/Safeguard. (and Shard stuff is similar.) = repeatable 1-off missions.
Trials
TFs

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Wait a minute... aren't there repeatable arcs in the Shard, or am I just high?


 

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I am listening to your ideas, but a Flashback system is simply not something we can implement in a timeframe you would all be happy with.

Instead we are looking into other options to get you the Pool B choice so level 50s don't feel gimped.

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I really didn't read all the posts, so I'm sorry if it's been said. And sorry if it sounds stupid, but since after every story arc we get a souvenir, is there a way to link the recipe to those souvenirs? That way, the salvage can be retroactive given to everyone who have ever completed a story arc. It wouldn't solve ALL the problems, but it would be a start.


 

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Inventions has been touted as something that shelved level 50's can partake in. Level 50's that have completed all their story arcs already. Please, how can both of those occur? Level 50's can not experience IO's if they are locked out of acheiving specific rewards because they happened to hit the level cap before I9.

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It's like I said, we are looking into other options that keeps the mechanic of the four pool system. Our intention is to not make people feel "gimped" for previously completing all their story arcs.

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Keep this system and open those pools up so that the items in them can drop anytime, anywhere. Players would simply have a better chance at those items if they did that content. I really don't like the idea of tying any loot, specific items or groups of them, to any specific or groups of content. So just open those tables and give use a chance to earn those items in normal play as well. And by chance I don't mean .0000001%, 2% to 4ish% sounds good.


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How about we substitute Story Arcs for Mayhem/Safeguards?

BOOM!

Problem solved. It is different content, that it repeatable, and treats everyone fairly equally -- soloers, badgers, PL'ers, content-mongers, etc.


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I am listening to your ideas, but a Flashback system is simply not something we can implement in a timeframe you would all be happy with.

Instead we are looking into other options to get you the Pool B choice so level 50s don't feel gimped.

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Sounds good.


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Your just high

There are repeatable missions, but I don't think those are arcs.


 

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Currently the only content available for 50s is...
Killing stuff on the street.
News/Scanner, Mayhem/Safeguard. (and Shard stuff is similar.) = repeatable 1-off missions.
Trials
TFs

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Wait a minute... aren't there repeatable arcs in the Shard, or am I just high?

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There are repeatable missions and TFs, not repeatable story arcs.


 

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If we can't go back and do our story arcs, and there's no way we can sway you from granting reciepes off them, then why can't we just award a reciepes to the whole team, when a story arc is completed?

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Minor concerns.

I can see someone playing most of the arc with a specific team, and then refusing to do the last mission because they're saving it to the SG, which would cause friction with the team who helped with the rest of the arc.

It doesn't help any to someone who likes to solo.

And at level 50 we still have a very limited number of long story arcs. How many times do you get on a team to complete Tyrant? Or Crimson's arc? Or the carnie AV? Me, not often, really.

Now, something good: this might be the incentive all those PL'd 50s need to actually start DOING their arcs. A lot of people get into PI and do nothing but get in farms.


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So, to summarize 15 pages or so of posts, here are suggestions that I dig:

* Giving TFs/Trials and Story Arcs the same Drop Pool.

* Slim chance of cross-Pool drops.

* Story Arc Pool drops for completing Mayhem/Safeguard missions.

I could easily see all three of these ideas implemented.

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Very good summary. And I'm very much for any (or preferably all) of those.


 

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What about giving every teammate a Story Arc drop when completing a player's final Arc mission? Wouldn't that remove the incentive to break away from the team in order to complete one's own Story Arcs to maximize Story Arc Pool drops?


 

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I think we are both saying the same thing. We hear you and ze good Doctor understands your feedback. Positron is twiddling at the workbench now. Have faith! Thanks!

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And THIS is why it pays to shout DOOOOOOOM if you think there is a chance that something will work in an adverse way that the devs may not have thought about. Had everyone remained silent when the naysayers were saying telling us not to worry about it until it was on test, they wouldn't be looking into doing something different.

It shows that if the player base makes good, logical, sound arguments that the Devs will listen and consider making changes.

Big Thanks and Kudos to the Dev Team


 

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Now I hear you guys... you all seem to dislike the Story Arc aspect of this system. I've had some discussions with the team yesterday about what we could do instead, and still keep the flavor of the four pool system, because having the extra three pools allows us to not only reward risk/reward, but time/reward as well. Takes longer to do a Task Force? Here's a nice bonus you can't get anywhere else. Finish the Respec trial, but already have all your Respecs? Here's a nice reward that carries with it some good inherent value.

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Doctor Brainstorm,

Here's the solution that will settle the disgruntled masses about missed story-arcs or missed contacts. In the invention system there needs to be a temp that can be invented for a self-mal/Flashback. The self-mal would last 1-2 game hours. The self-mal would let you talk to conacts and get story arcs. Not sure of the game mechanics but I could see that new contacts might be difficult. Anyway, a self-mal would allow you to talk to lower level contact and get new missions. The self-contact would have a hard time limit meaning the player would have to wait for the power to fade. .

What do you think?

Note: Flashback was not mentioned yet in this thread when I started writing this.

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How about we substitute Story Arcs for Mayhem/Safeguards?

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Or better yet, have Safeguards be another option for reciepes! I have no problam with Story Arcs, other than the fact that they screw 50s.


 

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Currently the only content available for 50s is...
Killing stuff on the street.
News/Scanner, Mayhem/Safeguard. (and Shard stuff is similar.) = repeatable 1-off missions.
Trials
TFs

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Wait a minute... aren't there repeatable arcs in the Shard, or am I just high?

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There are repeatable missions and TFs, not repeatable story arcs.

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I am high then! J/K Thanks for the clarification Mirai.


 

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Ok, I've read the majority of that monster thread I created titled "Drops".

Remember, if you kill that thread, it won't drop a recipe.

Now I hear you guys... you all seem to dislike the Story Arc aspect of this system. I've had some discussions with the team yesterday about what we could do instead, and still keep the flavor of the four pool system, because having the extra three pools allows us to not only reward risk/reward, but time/reward as well. Takes longer to do a Task Force? Here's a nice bonus you can't get anywhere else. Finish the Respec trial, but already have all your Respecs? Here's a nice reward that carries with it some good inherent value.


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Darn, I guess no recipes for thread killing must be by design

I understand that missing out on story arcs because the character ended up leveling up before given the chance to get them from a contact (such as when going on TFs and larger teams in general, double XP weekends and other events, and I guess I should throw in PLers), which would mean a lot of missed story arcs.

Would be nice to know if it's rewarded even if it's been a while since a character has done the story arcs.

One thing's for sure, story arc recipe drops sounds like another good reason to have the 'Flashback/solo-exemping' system.


 

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Instead we are looking into other options to get you the Pool B choice so level 50s don't feel gimped.

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Any hints?

We need way more info to get good and frothing mad.

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I can get good and frothing mad without any info, thank you very much

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I'm getting my froth from a cappucino right now so, I'm good.

Besides, Doc and Lighthouse said thay're looking at exactly what some of us seem to be concerned about the most so... damn. I need a new thing to get mad at. Suggestions?


 

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I still don't understand all the doom and gloom.
Oh noes, I can't get several sets out of all of them! I might as well just delete my 50 now!
Seriously, what's wrong with all the other stuff?


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To my mind there are only two acceptable solutions:

Distribute story arc recipes to the general loot tables (they can still drop from the story arcs)

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Flashback.


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Or they could add some infinitely repeatable story arcs for level 50 characters.

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Make Kora a story arc, heh. Drops II: Return of the Kora Farms