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Well this is just a hunch, but i would be willing to bet that most of the people who are against putting isolator in the later game already have this badge.
Its just the reason to say no, leave it alone, is because you have this badge already and you at any given point can say "Ha I have it and you don't!"
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First, I do NOT have the Isolator on most of my toons because it's a pain in the behind badge to bother with at level 1 or 2.
I do have the intention of getting as many badges as are possible on all my toons, with enough time. So ... no, just because I disagree with the suggestion that Isolator badges should be given out does NOT mean that I have it or would stand over someone and say, "Ha I have it and you don't. So shut up and get over it".
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Because any avid badge collector who does not have this badge would love to get this badge as it was something they missed when badges were implimented into the game.
Many heroes who went through Outbreak were already level 50 by the time badges were implimented into the game, so these player have no chance in getting this badge...
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Second, it is my sincerest opinion that if people were truly as obsessive/compulsive about the badges as they are claiming to be, they would have/should have rerolled their toons as soon as the badges were implemented to ensure that they got them all. That ... and that alone would qualify you as a true badge-ho.
"Oh but I was already 50 by the time they were implement!"
and the point is ...??? There was nothing to stop them from rerolling a toon. Being as badges all started at the same time, it's not like anyone can say there were 'special' badges out yet to prevent them from rerolling a toon for fear of losing the 'special' ones.
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then if it is ever implimented in the later game
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But something is telling me that if it si you too will be getting it as well as the rest.
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Care to make a wager on that hunch? 
If they make the exception and hand out Isolator badges to people who chose not to remake toons when badges first got added to the game, then they'd have to hand out the all the other badges that people are missing simply because the badges are available, but they don't have them.
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Has anyone else noticed that the people who are pro-Isolator are posting their reasonings, trying to make comparisons and generally being nice, tactful, civil and well-reasoned about it? "I think the Isolator should be accessible under this and that circumstances...."
And the people who are anti-Isolator are pretty much being a pack of hostile, unreasoning, bullying, dismissive jackholes? "Just shut your mouth and suck it the hell up, n00b. Because I said so. Shut up! SHUT UP!"
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As stated earlier, I am against it. Now, just out of curiousity ... Where in my previous post was I being a "hostile, unreasoning, bullying and dismissive jackhole"??
Not to mention the fact that throughout the course of this joke-of-a-thread, there have been a few pro-Isolator posts that were worded as attacks or name-calling... yours being a prime example. The pro-isolators haven't been all sugar and spice either...
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It's just easier for people to use Celtic and I as a reason to dismiss anyone who disagrees with the "Pro-Isolators" then to accept that there might be legitimate reasons not to give an alternative way to earn it.
I think someone said something to this degree earlier, I wanted to agree with it. How about an "old timers" badge for toons created before i2, it would be mutually exclusive with isolater.
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I think someone said something to this degree earlier, I wanted to agree with it. How about an "old timers" badge for toons created before i2, it would be mutually exclusive with isolater.
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I wouldn't mind that.
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Please, if you disagree with someone - state your opinion and leave it at that. No need to bash people for their thoughts/ideas. Some people want X - others don't. Agree to disagree. Thanks.
Now, Isolator. I have made the suggestion a few times to somehow work another chance at Isolator into an event or something. As you have seen, it has not been a successful suggestion so far. It may never be.
As far as I know - the devs have no plans for including an alternate method to get isolator if you did not get it in outbreak.
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Several of my heroes were made before Issue 2 came out, so they didn't even have the option to get Isolator. I think that's just tough. It's like whining about not getting the Halloween badges just because you weren't playing back then.
I have to agree with the Devs on this one.
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Second, it is my sincerest opinion that if people were truly as obsessive/compulsive about the badges as they are claiming to be, they would have/should have rerolled their toons as soon as the badges were implemented to ensure that they got them all. That ... and that alone would qualify you as a true badge-ho.
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Now that is the most assanine thing I have heard of.
You want the badge then delete your level 50 and start from scratch!
What? You are sick! Do you realise the time and effort many people put into getting their hero to level 50 only to delete it to get a badge.
Ya know, i was going to be civil with you until i read that part of your post....
nevermind you, not even worth talking to.
And yes I would make that wager, if Isolator was every implimented into the later game they would get it if it were made available to them.
As you said A true badge collector would reroll their toon to get the isolator. if any avid badge collector would go to that length to get that badge then I know a avid badge collector would get the Isolator if it were made avaialbe in the later game as well.
Oh well Im done, talk in circles all you want.
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Second, it is my sincerest opinion that if people were truly as obsessive/compulsive about the badges as they are claiming to be, they would have/should have rerolled their toons as soon as the badges were implemented to ensure that they got them all. That ... and that alone would qualify you as a true badge-ho.
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Now that is the most assanine thing I have heard of.
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Agreed, and not just because of the time sink. It's not even a plausible solution. Anyone who re-rolls their toon now would lose event badges (e.g., Cold Warrior, Toy Collector, Celebrant, and [soon] all the Valentine's Day event badges). There's no logic in a badge-collector deleting a toon to get one badge and thereby losing a dozen others.
Oiy!!!! this thread needs a lock!
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I didn't read the entire thread, so sorry if this was said already. I want this badge too, but I am not sure about time travel, I am a fan of Star Trek and all the Captains hate it for a reason, lol... (That was a joke, please take it as such) Anyway, how about instead of a time travel mission, we have a Portal Corp mission that takes us to another dimension where the contaminated in that world destroyed a large section of the city/state/world, or whatever and you have to clear all on the map and maybe dump a cure into the water supply. This would be the second way to get the Isolator badge.
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Now that is the most assanine thing I have heard of.
You want the badge then delete your level 50 and start from scratch!
What? You are sick! Do you realise the time and effort many people put into getting their hero to level 50 only to delete it to get a badge.
Ya know, i was going to be civil with you until i read that part of your post....
nevermind you, not even worth talking to.
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Um..I do believe that your response was quite...what's the word? Oh yes..."assanine"....yes..it was "assanine" as well.
A) Badges started in issue 2.
B) Not a single badge collector would have a single holiday event badge when Isolator came out.
C) If someone wanted to get the badge on their badge collector, they had from September 16th, 2004 to October 31st, 2004 to restart their character. (45 days).
D) Yes...we know how much time it takes to get a character to 50. I started in the headstart, and I got my first 50 the week before Christmas of 2005.
E) I know at least 3 people off the top of my head who restarted their characters to get Isolator. They loved the names, and that was their main reasons. (Pharacus, Phelicia, and Kat's Eye), and, upon level 50, they made their server announcement of leveling, and then promptly deleted the characters. They remade them, recieved Isolator, and now currently have all of the badges in the game.
So...is it now "assanine" to have such a comment?
I have to say no to a retroactive Isolator. My main doesn't have it, so this isn't about being selfish, as some say. It's about exclusivity. The Air Force sent me to a hot place in the middle of nowhere, so I couldn't log on during the "Celebrant" period. Is that fair? No. That's life.
That's what makes some things special - limited opportunities. I didn't know Isolator existed when I made my main. That's okay. I rolled another. The others don't have all the badges that my main has. The big fella is an emp def, and he gets healing badges that my others don't get. It's okay. That makes them special. It makes them unique. I find myself wishing that there was more exclusivity in the badge system such that no one could get them all. This isn't Pokemon.
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I think someone said something to this degree earlier, I wanted to agree with it. How about an "old timers" badge for toons created before i2, it would be mutually exclusive with isolater.
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I wouldn't mind that.
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I agree that this would have been a great idea when they were launching badges, any character not in the tutorial zone the day badges were launched would get it (so as to be mutually exclusive with Isolator), but I think it's a bit late now for it. The data mining required would take an immense amount of time, it's just throughly impractical. In that first September, I'd be all for it. But now, I'll make do without either badge.
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I think someone said something to this degree earlier, I wanted to agree with it. How about an "old timers" badge for toons created before i2, it would be mutually exclusive with isolater.
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I wouldn't mind that.
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This might be a stupid question, is Isolator the only badge (excepting special event badges) that a character misses if he's pre-I2? I hit 30 just before I2 and am wondering if there's anything else I may have missed.
I checked a couple sites (Vidiot's badge site, PCIT) and there seems to be conflicting answers.
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Second, it is my sincerest opinion that if people were truly as obsessive/compulsive about the badges as they are claiming to be, they would have/should have rerolled their toons as soon as the badges were implemented to ensure that they got them all. That ... and that alone would qualify you as a true badge-ho.
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Now that is the most assanine thing I have heard of.
You want the badge then delete your level 50 and start from scratch!
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Making a new character does NOT require you to delete aprevious character - unless, SOMEhow, you already have 88 (COH only) or 132 (COH&V combined) characters.
I don't really care about any badge that doesn't have a tangable impact on my character in the game. Maybe if we could really wear the badges on your character model I'd care more.
But..
I wholeheartedly support a way for those people who started there characters pre-isolator to get the badge.
I have yet to see any argument against it that isn't simply (mostly over-excited over-stated) personal opinion and I think the reasons stated why people should be given the oppertunity to get the badge are mostly common sense.
(not keen on the OP's implimentation but overall)
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Isolator is the only badge that you can not get no matter what you do, if you didn't get it before leaving the tutorial.
EVERY other non-Event badge can be picked up - it might just entail malefactoring down and teaming with someone much lower than you are, in order to get some of the story-based badges.
I thought about the devs somehow implementing a way for old toons to get Isolator and, in my opinion, it is not a worthwhile expencse of time, effort or money to do so.
There are a number of other things that people are clamoring for on the forums that should have a *much* higher priority than this, including:
<ul type="square">[*]End-game content[*] SSOOCSS[*] AT balancing issues[*] New powersets[*] Fixed animations for some powers[/list]
The time and effort that they would have to put in to create a way, in-story and making sense, for heroes who didn't get isolator to get it through flashback or something like that, to me, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Didn't get the Calvin Scott TF badge in time? I don't blame you, I didn't even KNOW that it was going to be available for a limited time. That's the kind of thing that frustrates me as a badge collector and makes me say to myself "Well if I can't get that one... what's the point in trying to get any of the others?"
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Just for the record, I did the Calvin Scott TF. There was no badge. There was no souvenir. There was nothing.
There was a souveneir, but you had to petition to get it.
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Isolator is the only badge that you can not get no matter what you do, if you didn't get it before leaving the tutorial.
EVERY other non-Event badge can be picked up - it might just entail malefactoring down and teaming with someone much lower than you are, in order to get some of the story-based badges.
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Fine. The from now on the Isolator badge is hereby considered an event badge and the Tutorial is considered an event. If you missed the event, you don't get the badge.
See? Wasn't that simple?
Everything you just said I already knew, but hey thanks for the history lesson.
My point still stands, I would not delete my hero that I loved and spent so much time with just to go back and get a badge. If someone else did then hey, seems like someone needs a job or something else to occupy their time with.
Hey I guess they did fine something to occupy their time with, starting all over...lol
But in a business aspect of things such as this, you as a company should not expect every paying customer to delete their hero in order to get a badge.
I recall a post Posi and Statesman said in the same thread that "NO" badge would not be able to be obtained by a hero. And nor did they say you had to delete a hero/toon in order to get a badge.
Every badge in this game can be obtained by every AT except for the Isolator and thats why people feel they do not want it available to others.
Also every other badge in this game you can go back and get a badge if you missed it, I'm sure you and a few thousand other badge collectors out there had to go back and get mission badges, kill badges...ect...ect. So you should be able to do the same with Isolator.
I too started this game when it came out and that still doesn't mean I should have done what others do and delete my level 50 in order to get a badge.
Anyway I'm done, because you and I seem to be going in circles.
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Second, it is my sincerest opinion that if people were truly as obsessive/compulsive about the badges as they are claiming to be, they would have/should have rerolled their toons as soon as the badges were implemented to ensure that they got them all. That ... and that alone would qualify you as a true badge-ho.
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Now that is the most assanine thing I have heard of.
You want the badge then delete your level 50 and start from scratch!
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Making a new character does NOT require you to delete aprevious character - unless, SOMEhow, you already have 88 (COH only) or 132 (COH&V combined) characters.
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Umm, do you even have a clue what we are talking about here? I don't think so.
My point was we should not have to delete the toon we spent all our time on to get to 50 just to get a badge.
Yeah we could have made a new hero but many of us wanted on the hero we already spent 6 months on getting to level 50.
But hey, thanks for clearing that up...lol
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Isolator is the only badge that you can not get no matter what you do, if you didn't get it before leaving the tutorial.
EVERY other non-Event badge can be picked up - it might just entail malefactoring down and teaming with someone much lower than you are, in order to get some of the story-based badges.
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And thats exactly everyone's point, what makes Isolator more special then any f the other 300+ badges out there?
Nothing, so we all should have the chance to go back and get this badge as all of the other badges in this game.
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Isolator is the only badge that you can not get no matter what you do, if you didn't get it before leaving the tutorial.
EVERY other non-Event badge can be picked up - it might just entail malefactoring down and teaming with someone much lower than you are, in order to get some of the story-based badges.
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And thats exactly everyone's point, what makes Isolator more special then any f the other 300+ badges out there?
Nothing, so we all should have the chance to go back and get this badge as all of the other badges in this game.
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So now convince us why it is so important that the devs should stop working on all of the other things that they are working on so that they can add in this new mission.
Because I want it (and, FYI, I don't have it and don't plan on getting it) is not a valid reason BTW.
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Has anyone else noticed that the people who are pro-Isolator are posting their reasonings, trying to make comparisons and generally being nice, tactful, civil and well-reasoned about it? "I think the Isolator should be accessible under this and that circumstances...."
And the people who are anti-Isolator are pretty much being a pack of hostile, unreasoning, bullying, dismissive jackholes? "Just shut your mouth and suck it the hell up, n00b. Because I said so. Shut up! SHUT UP!"
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As stated earlier, I am against it. Now, just out of curiousity ... Where in my previous post was I being a "hostile, unreasoning, bullying and dismissive jackhole"??
Not to mention the fact that throughout the course of this joke-of-a-thread, there have been a few pro-Isolator posts that were worded as attacks or name-calling... yours being a prime example. The pro-isolators haven't been all sugar and spice either...