So the Isolator badge is for defeating 100 Contaminated.
It doesn't say that the Contaminated have to be the level 1 guys we got to beat up in Outbreak. What if some of the Contaminated escaped without getting their share of the antidote? What if they continued to mutate, and grow stronger, and merge bodies, and develop even more superpowers....
I wonder what a Level 50 Contaminated Monster would look like. Or 100 of them. Rampaging through an instanced zone like an army of Godzillas.... 
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BECAUSE. we (I) was never given the chance to get it. I play one toon. I was 50 before I2 and I still play him everyday. I have 315 badges. and the ONLY reason I don't have Isolator is because it did not exist when I started after beta.
Not only that but I DID kill well over 100 contaminated, because we were just learning about the game at the time and it was fun; But because they weren't tracking kills back then I still don't get the badge, even though technicaly I DID EARN IT.
That is why we need something (at the very least for any toon started before I2) to allow us the chance to get that badge.
You may not understand why it is important to us. You may not understand why we dont just roll up another badge toon (though personaly it is because I wouldn't have any of the holiday badges if I did)
But just because you don't get it is no reason to deny it to us. 
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So whats to keep someone from signing onto the game right now, and then demanding that there should be a way for them to get things like the Celebrant Badge, the Halloween Badges, or all the Winterlord badges? *THEY* never knew about them, and *they* never had the chance to get them...
This is the same deal for Isolator. It is a special badge. It should *NOT* be made available any other way. It should not be available through Flashback. There should not be a special mission added just so people can go get it.
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BECAUSE. we (I) was never given the chance to get it. I play one toon. I was 50 before I2 and I still play him everyday. I have 315 badges. and the ONLY reason I don't have Isolator is because it did not exist when I started after beta.
Not only that but I DID kill well over 100 contaminated, because we were just learning about the game at the time and it was fun; But because they weren't tracking kills back then I still don't get the badge, even though technicaly I DID EARN IT.
That is why we need something (at the very least for any toon started before I2) to allow us the chance to get that badge.
You may not understand why it is important to us. You may not understand why we dont just roll up another badge toon (though personaly it is because I wouldn't have any of the holiday badges if I did)
But just because you don't get it is no reason to deny it to us.
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So whats to keep someone from signing onto the game right now, and then demanding that there should be a way for them to get things like the Celebrant Badge, the Halloween Badges, or all the Winterlord badges? *THEY* never knew about them, and *they* never had the chance to get them...
This is the same deal for Isolator. It is a special badge. It should *NOT* be made available any other way. It should not be available through Flashback. There should not be a special mission added just so people can go get it.
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Those were SEASONAL events last time I checked CONTAINMENT WASNT A SEASON!!! I want the BADGE!!
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So whats to keep someone from signing onto the game right now, and then demanding that there should be a way for them to get things like the Celebrant Badge, the Halloween Badges, or all the Winterlord badges? *THEY* never knew about them, and *they* never had the chance to get them...
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Nothing. Nothing is here to stop them and that is the point.
This is the suggestion forum. It is where people go to request things and suggest things.
But for the record this is my opinion on the subject. It is not the same your comparison is flawed.
I did not miss a badge because I was not playing this game when those badges were awarded. (Like the holiday badges)
I missed getting a badge because I was a loyal customer and played and supported this game from the very beginning.
To me that is a huge difference. Customers should be rewarded for staying with a game and not punished.
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I did not miss a badge because I was not playing this game when those badges were awarded. (Like the holiday badges)
I missed getting a badge because I was a loyal customer and played and supported this game from the very beginning.
To me that is a huge difference. Customers should be rewarded for staying with a game and not punished.
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You know what? I'm getting very sick of people using this half-[censored] excuse to justify every single change or demand they have. As a "Loyal Customer" you have already been able to get several rewards new players do not have the chance to get. They don't get the chance to get the seasonal badges. They dont get to get the celebrant badge. They don't get to do the Task Force that was removed from the game. So don't give me this "Loyal customers are being punished" bullsh*t that you people love to push down everyones fricken throat. Because your *not*.
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So whats to keep someone from signing onto the game right now, and then demanding that there should be a way for them to get things like the Celebrant Badge, the Halloween Badges, or all the Winterlord badges? *THEY* never knew about them, and *they* never had the chance to get them...
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Nothing. Nothing is here to stop them and that is the point.
This is the suggestion forum. It is where people go to request things and suggest things.
But for the record this is my opinion on the subject. It is not the same your comparison is flawed.
I did not miss a badge because I was not playing this game when those badges were awarded. (Like the holiday badges)
I missed getting a badge because I was a loyal customer and played and supported this game from the very beginning.
To me that is a huge difference. Customers should be rewarded for staying with a game and not punished.
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A loyal cutomer, eh? Then why the [censored] are you asking for meaningless [censored] to complete you little collection when they could spend their resources on things that actually help this game and make it better?
I'm tired of this crap about being loyal when all you do is act like a BMW: [censored], moan, and whine. What about the prestige power sprint? New people can't get that, but if you were a "loyal customer", then you could have gotten it by being in the [censored] beta.
How about the Celebrant badge? Or the Calvin Scott TF? Those things were only able to be obtained/completed if you were a "loyal customer" and played at that time.
Don't [censored] talk about being loyal if you aren't helping this community and the company out.
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Liquidx and celtic.
YOu guys need to chill. This forum is for suggestions and ideas you dont like 'em? Tough.
At the very least show some respect.
It is great that you fanbois are getting everything you want but that does not mean others don't want change. Just because YOU don't like the changes we are asking for does not diminish there worth.
Who is to say what is more important to whom? Badges are important to me so I am asking for change. If something else is important to you ask for that. But show respect.
It's funny that neither of you can present actual arguments as to why someone who has supported this game from the beginning shouldn't be aloud to get a chance at the Isolator badge. YOu just make with personal attacks in a forum meant for creative discussion. Good Job!
Everyone knows that you have lost the argument when all you can do is throw insults.
Also. I am not saying that CoH did not reward loyalty at all, they obviously do, but in the case of Isolator I and many others feel they have made a mistake.
It is the one case where someone who commited to the game lost out and it is not right. All the extra bonuses and rewards do not make up for this mistake, especialy since it would be an easy fix.
As for better spent resources? They just gave out what I consider to be useless temp powers out from lvs 1 to 10. I think that was a waste but others don't. Point is just because it is of no use to you does not make it unimportant or useless.
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It's funny that neither of you can present actual arguments as to why someone who has supported this game from the beginning shouldn't be aloud to get a chance at the Isolator badge.
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asking for something that takes resources, money, and time away from things that need it more (eg: bugs, powers, content)
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Liquidx and celtic.
YOu guys need to chill. This forum is for suggestions and ideas you dont like 'em? Tough.
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And if you don't like the fact that I hate your suggestion and idea, tough.
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At the very least show some respect.
It is great that you fanbois are getting everything you want but that does not mean others don't want change. Just because YOU don't like the changes we are asking for does not diminish there worth.
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Yeah. Easy to call me a Fanboi just because you don't like the fact that I disagree with you.
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Who is to say what is more important to whom? Badges are important to me so I am asking for change. If something else is important to you ask for that. But show respect.
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And its more important to me that the Isolator badge be left as is. Even if I can't go back and get it with my main (Who doesen't have it).
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It's funny that neither of you can present actual arguments as to why someone who has supported this game from the beginning shouldn't be aloud to get a chance at the Isolator badge. YOu just make with personal attacks in a forum meant for creative discussion. Good Job!
Everyone knows that you have lost the argument when all you can do is throw insults.
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Its funny that you have given no better reason then "I WANT IT I WANT IT! ZOMG THOSE MEAN DEV'S WONT LET ME HAVE A TOY I WANT! HOW DARE THEY PUNISH ME FOR BEING A LOYAL CUSTOMER BY NOT BENDING OVER BACKWORDS FOR EVERY STUPID WHIM I HAVE?!?"
Good job!
Uhm I wasn't trying for insulting when I said Fanboi. It is just well known on the forums that that is what you guys are and Friggin taser. No offense that's just the way it is.
I gave a good reason. It was a mistake on the devs part and I want it fixed.
I don't care that you guys dissagree with my suggestion or anyone elses. What I object to is that this forum is specificaly for suggestions, not to debate their merit. It is not up to either of you. (or me for that matter)
I also object to your undeserved hostility and language. You don't like the idea. OK pipe in. But be nice.
I know this idea gets repeated a lot but if you are tired of seeing it don't read it.
If you are dead set against it write a thread that says so. But don't get mad because someone wants it that is just sily.
You guys are just making yourselves look bad for no reason. Relax.
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Says who? I and many others think this is a good way to spend resources. Just cause you don't that doesn't make it so.
Ultimately it is up to the devs to decide. We are just offering our 2 cents, SO this is simply not a good reason, it is something that is already taken into account by those who matter.
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They already said they don't intend for every badge to be attainable by a single character. Right around the time people first noticed that anycharacter made after badges were introduced couldn't get Isolator.
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*points to his post earlier in the thread*
Celtic, do your search-fu. I believe it was Positron who initially posted that reasoning regarding Isolator when it was first released.
Furio--Lvl 50+3 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster, Virtue
Megadeth--Lvl 50+3 Necro/DM/Soul MM, Virtue
Veriandros--Lvl 50+3 Crab Soldier, Virtue
"So come and get me! I'll be waiting for ye, with a whiff of the old brimstone. I'm a grim bloody fable, with an unhappy bloody end!" Demoman, TF2
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They already said they don't intend for every badge to be attainable by a single character. Right around the time people first noticed that anycharacter made after badges were introduced couldn't get Isolator.
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*points to his post earlier in the thread*
Celtic, do your search-fu. I believe it was Positron who initially posted that reasoning regarding Isolator when it was first released.
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Badges that are "one chance" deals (like isolator)...
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They already said they don't intend for every badge to be attainable by a single character. Right around the time people first noticed that anycharacter made after badges were introduced couldn't get Isolator.
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*points to his post earlier in the thread*
Celtic, do your search-fu. I believe it was Positron who initially posted that reasoning regarding Isolator when it was first released.
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True he did. But the devs have also changed their minds on different topics based on popular demand.
He also did not flat out say no, he just vaguely made a reference to badges in general.
I think there is still hope.
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I'm not a "fanboi". I'd have the exact same stance if this was WoW, EQ2, or even Horizons (A game I loathe). A "Fanboi" is a person who blindly defends the Dev's ragardless of what they do. I, myself, dislike (and have stated my dislike in the past) several things the Dev's have done in the past. (Like selling the Hero Gear kit, the repetitious nature of Task Forces, and the stated intent to give players of CoV access to the Pre-Order helmets without having actually pre-ordered the game).
"Fanboi" is just a convenient little title you decided to label me with simply because it gives you an easy way to dismiss my opinions.
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I gave a good reason. It was a mistake on the devs part and I want it fixed.
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Not a good reason, as there was no mistake here. It didn't exist before Issue 2, and there was no bug preventing you from getting it.
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I don't care that you guys dissagree with my suggestion or anyone elses. What I object to is that this forum is specificaly for suggestions, not to debate their merit. It is not up to either of you. (or me for that matter)
I also object to your undeserved hostility and language. You don't like the idea. OK pipe in. But be nice.
I know this idea gets repeated a lot but if you are tired of seeing it don't read it.
If you are dead set against it write a thread that says so. But don't get mad because someone wants it that is just sily.
You guys are just making yourselves look bad for no reason. Relax.
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Your right. It's not up to you, or me. It's up to the Dev's. And I have every right to post a counterargument in a thread to disagree with an idea that I don't like. If you don't like that, Bite me. I'm tired of dealing with people who use the same, tired old excuses of "Because I'm a paying customer" or "It's punishing the loyal customers if you don't make the changes I want!"
I hear enough of that s**t at work, and I'm getting damn tired of hearing it here, too.
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Uhm I wasn't trying for insulting when I said Fanboi. It is just well known on the forums that that is what you guys are and Friggin taser. No offense that's just the way it is.
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I'm not a "fanboi". I'd have the exact same stance if this was WoW, EQ2, or even Horizons (A game I loathe). A "Fanboi" is a person who blindly defends the Dev's ragardless of what they do. I, myself, dislike (and have stated my dislike in the past) several things the Dev's have done in the past. (Like selling the Hero Gear kit, the repetitious nature of Task Forces, and the stated intent to give players of CoV access to the Pre-Order helmets without having actually pre-ordered the game).
"Fanboi" is just a convenient little title you decided to label me with simply because it gives you an easy way to dismiss my opinions.
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Yeah..this upset me a bit, too.
Things the devs have done that I hate:
Endurance changes to mobs enemies.
Vigilance.
Defiance, to a point.
The buff of damage from 400% to 500% for Blasters/Scrappers.
Some more things, but I'm too tired and in the middle of a mission.
And don't forget how the patch notes are *still* buggard.
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Your right. It's not up to you, or me. It's up to the Dev's. And I have every right to post a counterargument in a thread to disagree with an idea that I don't like. If you don't like that, Bite me. I'm tired of dealing with people who use the same, tired old excuses of "Because I'm a paying customer" or "It's punishing the loyal customers if you don't make the changes I want!"
I hear enough of that s**t at work, and I'm getting damn tired of hearing it here, too.
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ok you're right in that you can post your opinion. You are wrong if you think you have the right to be verbaly abusive.
Which is what I said earlier.
As for Fanboi. MY bad. It is just the title I hear thrown around a lot about you guys. I assumed it meant someone who defends the game and devs often.
Wasn't meant as an insult, just trying to give the statment I used it in intensity.
YOu have a right to your opinions, you do not have the right to swear and yell at people who dissagree with you. Argue yes. Vent no.
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YOu have a right to your opinions, you do not have the right to swear and yell at people who dissagree with you. Argue yes. Vent no.
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I'll take the blame for the swearing...he did it much less than I did.
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I'll take the blame for the swearing...he did it much less than I did.
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I dont' get why you guys are so mad about it. It is just one small thing that many people really want.
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I'll take the blame for the swearing...he did it much less than I did.
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I dont' get why you guys are so mad about it. It is just one small thing that many people really want.
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While I can't speak for Liquid, I'm not mad at the suggestion, just that some people feel that they "deserve" something for being a customer, when in reality, you're paying for a service, and nothing more.
It would just be like if I were to go into McDonalds, ordered a cheese burger, and then claimed that I deserved fries with that for free. It's money out of their pocket, not helping them at all, and in fact hurting them, but it helps me because I get a dancing plethora of hot tasty french fries in my mouth screaming "Hallelujah". I ordered the cheeseburger, paid for the cheeseburger, and then I asked for more without any show for it.
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I dont' get why you guys are so mad about it. It is just one small thing that many people really want.
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For one thing, it's never "One small thing". Once this is done, this opens the door for anyone to come in and claim such and such should be done because *they* never had a chance to do it (Such as the Calvin Scott TF), all with the excuse of "Well, they did it THAT time, so they should do it THIS time too". In other words, once you do it for one person or group, you have to do it for everyone ELSE too. And in the end, it just defeats the whole purpose of having "special" badges in the first place.
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I dont' get why you guys are so mad about it. It is just one small thing that many people really want.
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While I can't speak for Liquid, I'm not mad at the suggestion, just that some people feel that they "deserve" something for being a customer, when in reality, you're paying for a service, and nothing more.
It would just be like if I were to go into McDonalds, ordered a cheese burger, and then claimed that I deserved fries with that for free. It's money out of their pocket, not helping them at all, and in fact hurting them, but it helps me because I get a dancing plethora of hot tasty french fries in my mouth screaming "Hallelujah". I ordered the cheeseburger, paid for the cheeseburger, and then I asked for more without any show for it.
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Actualy no that is not what it is like. Here is what it actualy is like (from my view)
I have gone to the same Mcdonalds every days since it opened. I order a hamburger everyday and ask for cheese but they say they have none.
Then one day you come in and they offer you a cheese burger. I am next in line and ask if I can have cheese on my hamburger, but they say no because I have been coming to their store, spending money and suporting them for too long. SO I wont be able to get cheese on my burgers. Ever. Even though any new customers can.
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I dont' get why you guys are so mad about it. It is just one small thing that many people really want.
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For one thing, it's never "One small thing". Once this is done, this opens the door for anyone to come in and claim such and such should be done because *they* never had a chance to do it (Such as the Calvin Scott TF), all with the excuse of "Well, they did it THAT time, so they should do it THIS time too". In other words, once you do it for one person or group, you have to do it for everyone ELSE too. And in the end, it just defeats the whole purpose of having "special" badges in the first place.
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Isolator is a very unique situation in that it is currently offered to anyone starting a new character but those who have played for a long time don't have acess to it. It is the only thing in this game that works this way. Everything else is the reverse where people "missed out" on opportunities because they were not playing the game when they were offered.
However I was hear throughout the entire time both before and after this badge became a vailable. But I still dont get access to it. That is just not right.
I do not believe this will open your "can of worms" since it is a very distinctive case.
Also see my mcdonalds example above.
They already said they don't intend for every badge to be attainable by a single character. Right around the time people first noticed that anycharacter made after badges were introduced couldn't get Isolator.
Furio--Lvl 50+3 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster, Virtue
Megadeth--Lvl 50+3 Necro/DM/Soul MM, Virtue
Veriandros--Lvl 50+3 Crab Soldier, Virtue
"So come and get me! I'll be waiting for ye, with a whiff of the old brimstone. I'm a grim bloody fable, with an unhappy bloody end!" Demoman, TF2