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YOu have a right to your opinions, you do not have the right to swear and yell at people who dissagree with you. Argue yes. Vent no.
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I dont' get why you guys are so mad about it. It is just one small thing that many people really want.
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While I can't speak for Liquid, I'm not mad at the suggestion, just that some people feel that they "deserve" something for being a customer, when in reality, you're paying for a service, and nothing more.
It would just be like if I were to go into McDonalds, ordered a cheese burger, and then claimed that I deserved fries with that for free. It's money out of their pocket, not helping them at all, and in fact hurting them, but it helps me because I get a dancing plethora of hot tasty french fries in my mouth screaming "Hallelujah". I ordered the cheeseburger, paid for the cheeseburger, and then I asked for more without any show for it.
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Actualy no that is not what it is like. Here is what it actualy is like (from my view)
I have gone to the same Mcdonalds every days since it opened. I order a hamburger everyday and ask for cheese but they say they have none.
Then one day you come in and they offer you a cheese burger. I am next in line and ask if I can have cheese on my hamburger, but they say no because I have been coming to their store, spending money and suporting them for too long. SO I wont be able to get cheese on my burgers. Ever. Even though any new customers can.
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Actually, in this case it would be "So, I wont be able to get cheese on the burgers I already had. But, if I order a new, different burger, I could get cheese on THAT."
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I knew you would say that, but the thing is It is a different case because this product is not consumed.
I play one toon. I have the option of playing others, but it doesn't say anywhere I have too. There are many of us who play 1 toon. And as I said earlier I have all the event badges on this one toon. Were I to start another I would be missing even more badges.
I know missing badges may not be important to you but it is to me.
So my example stands. It may not be a technical "bug" but it is a lapse in design and customer service and it needs to be addressed.
I think what happened was the devs said, ah it's just one badge who will care? Not realizing all of us Yahoos take the game far to serious, and would really want it.
I think it would be a small unique fix and it could be as specific as only available to characters who started pre I2. SO people who ar lv 50 and or who have more than say 200 badges and started before I2 are just assumed to have goten it and awarded the badge. Bang easy fix. and to all the people who "forgot" well that is their fault isn't it?
That way there is little extra programing, and the laps in planning is fixed.
This is but one of many possible solutions, I am trying to demonstrate that I personaly am not necessarily for anyone getting the badge, more for those who couldn't but should have been able too.
Though at this point I would take anything.
/signed
Da Falcon Scrapper lvl 50
Shadow Hunter Q Blaster lvl 50
http://psfcoh.com/
Step Up or Step Aside
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Shadow speaks for me too. 
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Though I would still prefer my idea of hunting lvl50 superfreaks for the same badge.... 
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I knew you would say that, but the thing is It is a different case because this product is not consumed.
I play one toon. I have the option of playing others, but it doesn't say anywhere I have too. There are many of us who play 1 toon. And as I said earlier I have all the event badges on this one toon. Were I to start another I would be missing even more badges.
I know missing badges may not be important to you but it is to me.
So my example stands. It may not be a technical "bug" but it is a lapse in design and customer service and it needs to be addressed.
I think what happened was the devs said, ah it's just one badge who will care? Not realizing all of us Yahoos take the game far to serious, and would really want it.
I think it would be a small unique fix and it could be as specific as only available to characters who started pre I2. SO people who ar lv 50 and or who have more than say 200 badges and started before I2 are just assumed to have goten it and awarded the badge. Bang easy fix. and to all the people who "forgot" well that is their fault isn't it?
That way there is little extra programing, and the laps in planning is fixed.
This is but one of many possible solutions, I am trying to demonstrate that I personaly am not necessarily for anyone getting the badge, more for those who couldn't but should have been able too.
Though at this point I would take anything.
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You know what? No. The last thing we need are the Dev's deciding not to add something just because a few people can't handle not being able to get something.
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Though at this point I would take anything.
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Good...here's an act of me bidding you [censored] adieu.
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Though at this point I would take anything.
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Good...here's an act of me bidding you [censored] adieu.
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Celtic: "I say good day to you, sir!"
Shadow_Song: "But Celtic..."
Celtic: "I SAID GOOD DAY!"
Note: CuppaJo has been informed of this thread, and hopefully it will get some official answers, and will be locked. Seriously...we've taken an innocent suggestion and made it into a flame war.
...I guess that makes us big damn heroes.
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...I guess that makes us big damn heroes.
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For the record I have flamed no one and have tried to keep it sincere.
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Seriously...we've taken an innocent suggestion and made it into a flame war.
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Umm yeah, I was beginning to wonder if I needed to send you to your room.
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Not quite what I was thinking.
Usually you guys are articulate, thoughtful and when you do deliver and opposing opinion or 'flame' someone it is artful, tasteful and clever. I was beginning to wonder if someone had hijacked your accounts. Seriously, you guys ok?
Ignorance is being untaught. Stupidity is being unwilling to learn.
I still think us pre Issue 2 Heroes should get our own special badge. Then we can all be special in a different way.
Issue 23: All your base are belong to us?
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Well, lets put it this way...
I work a mind numbing, soul sucking job in the resteraunt buisness. I've been doing it for Nine Years now, and before that I used to work retail. So, I hear stuff like "Well, I'm a paying customer!" or "Why should I have to pay for <Insert item here>" or "I've been a loyal customer for <insert time here> so you should give me <list unreasonable demands here>" ALL THE DAMN TIME. I get sick of listening to ungrateful people whining all damn day.
So, I'm stressed out, and tired of hearing the same excuses all the damn time. It's getting on my last nerve.
wow, freedom of speech and expression is great... the flame war and name calling is rampant.
some people want to get the badge and it is their right to voice it and express why they want it...
some people are tired of posts that are wanting the badge and they tell the one that want it to shut up and not speak of it anymore and for you to see their way...
almost sounds like politics... guess which is which party...
Seasonal badges are just that... some of my toons will never be able to get them... oh well.
two of my toons do not have Isolater and i would like to have it for them. It is my choice to want it for them.
Freedom of speech is great... dont try to silence it because you are tired of reading threads about wanting it.
If you are tired of reading threads about wanting the Isolater badge... dont read them. Go to the next post. I know, you know what is best for eveyone so you impose your beliefs on others...
wow, a thread that is highly insulting to some and not a single name was called.
dont bother replying to me... I am choosing not to read this thread any further. what a concept... not reading a thread that you are tired of... mmm choices...
OK, continue with the flame war, name calling, etc...
YMMV---IMOIce Ember
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Well, lets put it this way...
I work a mind numbing, soul sucking job in the resteraunt buisness. I've been doing it for Nine Years now, and before that I used to work retail. So, I hear stuff like "Well, I'm a paying customer!" or "Why should I have to pay for <Insert item here>" or "I've been a loyal customer for <insert time here> so you should give me <list unreasonable demands here>" ALL THE DAMN TIME. I get sick of listening to ungrateful people whining all damn day.
So, I'm stressed out, and tired of hearing the same excuses all the damn time. It's getting on my last nerve.
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Yep and I worked in the social services field for 6+ years, and before that in retail/customer service for over 10 years. Sometimes the customer is right though, and sometimes you want to shove them through the nearest brick wall and watch them come out the other side as processed cheese.
Gotta remember this is a suggestion area, people can suggest anything they want - doesn't mean anyone has to listen.
And yeah right about now I'm sure a new target has been acquired.
Hang on a sec luv while I don my silver suit. Ok vent away! I want my witty LiquidX back.
Ignorance is being untaught. Stupidity is being unwilling to learn.
I'm not going to voice an opinion on the merit of making the Isolator badge available to characters created before the badge existed. I do want to convey how I see Isolator as different than other "special" badges.
Badges for Celebrant, defeating the Winter Lord and completing the Calvin Scott TF are all tied to specific events. Respectively, CoH's one-year anniversary, the 2004 winter event and a time-limited TF that moved the game's story forward with Malaise going rogue.
The badge for Isolator is not an event badge. It is available to every character created in the game, without restriction. But it was not put into the game until months after the game shipped, so any characters created before cannot get the badge. You can't go back to the tutorial, after all.
Players without Isolator didn't miss a special event, their characters simply existed before badges did. There is no fault here, the system simply wasn't in place at the time.
Is it reasonable for players with pre-Issue 2 characters to want some way to get Isolator? Perhaps, perhaps not. But it's not the same as asking for a time-limited event badge long after the event has come and gone.
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I'm not going to voice an opinion on the merit of making the Isolator badge available to characters created before the badge existed. I do want to convey how I see Isolator as different than other "special" badges.
Badges for Celebrant, defeating the Winter Lord and completing the Calvin Scott TF are all tied to specific events. Respectively, CoH's one-year anniversary, the 2004 winter event and a time-limited TF that moved the game's story forward with Malaise going rogue.
The badge for Isolator is not an event badge. It is available to every character created in the game, without restriction. But it was not put into the game until months after the game shipped, so any characters created before cannot get the badge. You can't go back to the tutorial, after all.
Players without Isolator didn't miss a special event, their characters simply existed before badges did. There is no fault here, the system simply wasn't in place at the time.
Is it reasonable for players with pre-Issue 2 characters to want some way to get Isolator? Perhaps, perhaps not. But it's not the same as asking for a time-limited event badge long after the event has come and gone.
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Usually you guys are articulate, thoughtful and when you do deliver and opposing opinion or 'flame' someone it is artful, tasteful and clever. I was beginning to wonder if someone had hijacked your accounts. Seriously, you guys ok?
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Well, lets put it this way...
I work a mind numbing, soul sucking job in the resteraunt buisness. I've been doing it for Nine Years now, and before that I used to work retail. So, I hear stuff like "Well, I'm a paying customer!" or "Why should I have to pay for <Insert item here>" or "I've been a loyal customer for <insert time here> so you should give me <list unreasonable demands here>" ALL THE DAMN TIME. I get sick of listening to ungrateful people whining all damn day.
So, I'm stressed out, and tired of hearing the same excuses all the damn time. It's getting on my last nerve.
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In short, your job sucks and you hate it. And somehow that's supposed to make it perfectly okay to bash Shadow_Song, huh?
The first difference between the Suggestions forum and your horrible, mind-numbing, soul-sucking job is that Shadow_Song's not here to give you his money in exchange for the ***** Burgers (or whatever) that keep your restaurant in business...therefore, you don't have to kiss his butt, right? But here's another stark contrast to your crappy job: Nobody's paying you to be here, either. And I'm pretty sure the dev team doesn't need you to protect them, considering that they're pretty much the gods of CoH. If they don't like the Isolator suggestion, into the trash can it goes.
Sorry, Liquid, but you see, I've been the resident manager of an apartment complex for three years, and that's my pet peeve: People who use the "I slave over my horrible, horrible job for 25 hours a day, therefore it's perfectly okay for me to come home, throw away all vestiges of civility and treat you like you're snail slime whenever I have a complaint about the way you're doing things" excuse.
At least I don't have to tolerate the customer's bad attitude, however; I've shot down lease renewals over less.
Thrust and riposte. Your move.
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Well, lets put it this way...
I work a mind numbing, soul sucking job in the resteraunt buisness. I've been doing it for Nine Years now, and before that I used to work retail. So, I hear stuff like "Well, I'm a paying customer!" or "Why should I have to pay for <Insert item here>" or "I've been a loyal customer for <insert time here> so you should give me <list unreasonable demands here>" ALL THE DAMN TIME. I get sick of listening to ungrateful people whining all damn day.
So, I'm stressed out, and tired of hearing the same excuses all the damn time. It's getting on my last nerve.
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Yep and I worked in the social services field for 6+ years, and before that in retail/customer service for over 10 years. Sometimes the customer is right though, and sometimes you want to shove them through the nearest brick wall and watch them come out the other side as processed cheese.
Gotta remember this is a suggestion area, people can suggest anything they want - doesn't mean anyone has to listen.
And yeah right about now I'm sure a new target has been acquired.
Hang on a sec luv while I don my silver suit. Ok vent away! I want my witty LiquidX back.
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Dont worry Sell, I'm not about to rip into you or anything. You've been a peach, as always. Its Shigmiya with his snotty reply to Celtic and Shadow_Song with his snotty little reply to me, my growing hatred for the "I should get whatever I want because I'm a paying customer" mentality that is becoming more and more prevalent, and various issues IRL (That I'd prefer not to talk about here) that just really set me off.
And also my appologies to the OP. Do I disagree with his idea? Yes, I do. But I shouldn't have let my anger with Shigmiya and Shadow_Songs posts get the best of me.
Even though I don't have a 'badge prostitute' (let's see if that slips past the filter!), I wouldn't mind having an alternate way of getting Isolator.
I suppose I look at it differently from the event- or time-based badges because it's still technically available in the game. You can't get the badge from the Calvin Scott TF because it no longer exists; you can't get at Celebrant because the 1-year anniversary has come and gone. They're status symbols, in a way - they say, "I was here when this happened!" Not that that means much, considering this is a game, and nothing more, but...
You can technically get Isolator - by rolling an alt. Every person that comes into the game can earn it, so it's not exactly a rare item. I don't have it on Richter, however, because he was one of my first toons, and I didn't even know it existed. If they gave a way to earn it later that was equally as 'challenging' (read: time-consuming) as the original, then I'd be glad to get it (and no one would ever know that I hadn't earned it the first time around).
A servermate of mine, Greystar, has a great idea for Isolator too involving the Terra Volta Reactor:
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That would be awesome! Devs, give us a way to get Isolator please!
Fusion Force
Please, if you disagree with someone - state your opinion and leave it at that. No need to bash people for their thoughts/ideas. Some people want X - others don't. Agree to disagree. Thanks.
Now, Isolator. I have made the suggestion a few times to somehow work another chance at Isolator into an event or something. As you have seen, it has not been a successful suggestion so far. It may never be.
As far as I know - the devs have no plans for including an alternate method to get isolator if you did not get it in outbreak.
Thanks, Cuppa!
Even if it's with not-so-great-news, we're always glad to see you in the threads!
Hey, waitwait, what? What about those of us who made our characters prior to issue 2? That's just not right...
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She speaks!
She has come down from on high to praise us with her words!
/em grovel
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I kid, I kid...
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I dont' get why you guys are so mad about it. It is just one small thing that many people really want.
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While I can't speak for Liquid, I'm not mad at the suggestion, just that some people feel that they "deserve" something for being a customer, when in reality, you're paying for a service, and nothing more.
It would just be like if I were to go into McDonalds, ordered a cheese burger, and then claimed that I deserved fries with that for free. It's money out of their pocket, not helping them at all, and in fact hurting them, but it helps me because I get a dancing plethora of hot tasty french fries in my mouth screaming "Hallelujah". I ordered the cheeseburger, paid for the cheeseburger, and then I asked for more without any show for it.
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Actualy no that is not what it is like. Here is what it actualy is like (from my view)
I have gone to the same Mcdonalds every days since it opened. I order a hamburger everyday and ask for cheese but they say they have none.
Then one day you come in and they offer you a cheese burger. I am next in line and ask if I can have cheese on my hamburger, but they say no because I have been coming to their store, spending money and suporting them for too long. SO I wont be able to get cheese on my burgers. Ever. Even though any new customers can.
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Actually, in this case it would be "So, I wont be able to get cheese on the burgers I already had. But, if I order a new, different burger, I could get cheese on THAT."