SG mode to determine base rent?

Come on !

The JLA has a base in space with lots of high tech stuff, and they don't even have a SG uniform !

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Unfortunately, that wouldn't work. It'd just encourage a bunch of people to level up to whatever the lowest level you can buy prestige, transfer all their influence and rake in a ton of points.

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Oh damn, you're right. Gah.

Why not enable the opening of a basic 'Base' with Prestige, but then use influence to flesh it out beyond that point?

I could live with that, I think. That way every SG can say 'This is our base', but the ones that have spent time and effort on saving to improve it would have fancier, nicer bases. Which is really how it should be...

Earn enough 'Prestige' in the eyes of the city, and they give you a little plot of land to make a base on...

...then spend your hard-earned influence to upgrade that little plot of land into the uber-base you desire.

(Oh, and for everyone saying 'Just go into SG mode and set your colors to your normal colors'...have you SEEN the way some of the costumes look with chest emblems slapped over the middle of them? Pretty much every top choice -but- the basic tights and the new jackets looks worse in SG mode because the emblem totally borks the 'fabric/armor' pattern underneath and/or drops the SG emblem right on the skin of the character like an ugly temporary tattoo. Now, if they want to spend time making it so I can put my SG emblem on my lapel, or belt, or headband, or mantle brooches, or cape instead of right smack in the middle of my chest, maybe it'll be easier to deal with...but do you really want them to pull time away to work on that right now?)

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Come on !

The JLA has a base in space with lots of high tech stuff, and they don't even have a SG uniform !


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Actually, having watched JLU, they farm prestige by having all the 100s of technicians and menial staff wearing that rubbish uniform all the time.

EDIT: Oh, and I tooo am against datamining for things that were completely unimportant. Doesn't seem fair. And, if they are going to do this they should change how the supergroup mode works, so that it just lets each member design their own new SG costume. (rather than recolouring their current one).

However, I like the idea of prestige for the rent for a SG base, and maybe use influence to buy all the cool stuff to go in it

People, as I posted before there is more evidence pointing towards influence for base building (and upgrading) so do not get all flamed up here.

something I'm not clear on. The base will be basically put on actual in game land correct? If that's the case, howe are they going to avoid the real estate problesm that cropped up with UO?

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something I'm not clear on. The base will be basically put on actual in game land correct?

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No. The bases will be accessible via portals. They don't have a location in the city.

Which is cool in a way, because it means you can have spaceship and alien dimension bases.

Meh until a red name confirms this I am taking it as an elaborate joke, and if it turns out ot be the case, reason never to us a base.

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something I'm not clear on. The base will be basically put on actual in game land correct?

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No. The bases will be accessible via portals. They don't have a location in the city.

Which is cool in a way, because it means you can have spaceship and alien dimension bases.

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Plus, it can be offloaded onto another server, which not only avoids impact to the primary gameplay ones, but can be upgraded based on the needs of the zone.

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Even if you have a special SG costume, you can still enter SG mode while it is on, no?

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If they had a 'null' option for the Chest detail, then it would make sense. If they had told us about this in the beginning, it would also make sense. If we could have all of our alts in the same SG and didn't have to make several alternate SGs to accomodate everyone...

You get the idea.

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Wow.

So we are more concerned with a group of 20s being able to buy a base then rewarding a group that's been together from day one and done thousands of missions together, but never entered sg mode.

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If I do recall, the game is for everyone, including level 20s. Some people might be in SGs that started from day one, but are still only in their twenties. So they're making it convienient for everyone. Why is that such a bad thing?

Again, when it comes down to it, people will click the button. It's either that or continue to run around on the streets.

Sure the game is for everyone.

But then why don't we let everyone get Kheldians. Or let everyone get capes. Or Auras. Or into hazard zones.

Because there are rewards for playing the game. And this is a horrible way to implement bases. Long time SGs should be able to buy bigger and better bases. And playing time in SG mode is a horrible way to measure the longetivity and activity of a supergroup.

If influence can be converted into prestige points that would be a potential solution. As people mention what else is influence good for? We were told awhile ago we would use influence to buy bases. I know I'm not the only one who has been playing with this in mind. If I can't cash in my hardwork for a base I'll be very disappointed. As for the things you mentioned "Influence will be spent on other things - like classes for the university, and the weapons customization tool, as well as vehicles.", they aren't in the game now, won't be when CoV hits, and quite possibly will never make it.

True.

But everyone can get Kheldians, an aura, and a cape, and into hazard zones. The theme here is to earn these things, and with the prestige, you're working towards gaining enough to earn a base. I understand your comment on long time SGs getting some seniority of some sort (which could happen, we don't know any specifics yet), but the main thing they're shooting for is all around convienience. A first in their book.

Besides. You'll need that influence to spend on classes at the university, vehicles, and other things soon to come (like the weapon customization tool).

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Hrm. SG bases were suppose to be implemented when CoH went live, as well as arenas. Only a year later they've finally implemented them. Vehicles have been in discussion since pre-beta, as well as weapon customization. They are working on skills. They've gone through two system already and are trying to work out the best. These things are coming. No one knows when, but they are. It just takes time like the bases and the arena.

While prestige may or may not have something to do with base building is one thing but the thing I believe is the most BS with this rumor is that prestige would be earned by entering SG-mode???? That's not something which is believable...

IRON MAN: Well, Cap, we figured out a way to rebuild Avengers mansion.

CAP: That's great, Tony.

IRON MAN: Put this on.

CAP: What?

IRON MAN: It's your new Avengers uniform. See? It's the same design as your current one..

CAP: But I'm the symbol of America! I wear Red, White and Blue!

IRON MAN: I don't follow.

CAP: Well, who chose Red and Yellow as the Avengers' official colors?

IRON MAN: (Whistles innocently.)

CAP: I mean, who am I supposed to be, Captain Red China? Captain North Vietnam?

IRON MAN: Well, maybe we could override the colors, just for you ...

CAP: And there's -- where's my star? My chest star? Like the star on the American flag. There's an "A" here now?

IRON MAN: It's for Avengers.

CAP: I'm not wearing this!

IRON MAN: But we need the mansion! This is the only way to get the team prestige we need. Spidey's agreed, Wolverine shrugged, and Luke said he'd worn a lot more embarrassing things. And it's not like you don't already wear an "A" on your forehead or anything.

CAP: Then let me use that one, and leave the star!

IRON MAN: Sorry, Cap -- team insignia only go on the chest ...

If this is true, and I think it is not, I just wish they would stop implemeting policies and procedures that force the players to play the game how Statesman wants them to play. I feel like we are continually being told "You will play the game how I want you to play the game, or I will implement rules and restrictions that force you too. And if you figure out a more efficient way to play than what I want, I will slap you down with my nerf bat." This would just be another step in that direction.

Actually, even is SG mode you can set your hero to look exactly as they do normally...except for the chest logo. So you could run in SG mode literally ALL the time and still look the same. So we could ALL get one hell of a base. We would just have to put up with a SG emblem on our chest at all times but look as we normally do otherwise.

One more thing...if all the heroes in the game are running around in SG mode, then that more or less defeats the purpose of their character creator tools that they are so proud of. Why have all those options if they want the herores to all look the same?

I just think there are too many reasons for them NOT to do this...which means they probably will.

I'm not too sure about this idea. Like alot of others have said, my SG has a seperate costume slot for the SG uniform. We don't use the SG Mode too often. What I would like to see is this "prestige" that is earned be a type of discount. So the primary cost for the SG base is influence but you can reduce it by teaming in SG mode. I think that's a fair way to do it.

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IRON MAN: Well, Cap, we figured out a way to rebuild Avengers mansion.

CAP: That's great, Tony.

IRON MAN: Put this on.

CAP: What?

IRON MAN: It's your new Avengers uniform. See? It's the same design as your current one..

CAP: But I'm the symbol of America! I wear Red, White and Blue!

IRON MAN: I don't follow.

CAP: Well, who chose Red and Yellow as the Avengers' official colors?

IRON MAN: (Whistles innocently.)

CAP: I mean, who am I supposed to be, Captain Red China? Captain North Vietnam?

IRON MAN: Well, maybe we could override the colors, just for you ...

CAP: And there's -- where's my star? My chest star? Like the star on the American flag. There's an "A" here now?

IRON MAN: It's for Avengers.

CAP: I'm not wearing this!

IRON MAN: But we need the mansion! This is the only way to get the team prestige we need. Spidey's agreed, Wolverine shrugged, and Luke said he'd worn a lot more embarrassing things. And it's not like you don't already wear an "A" on your forehead or anything.

CAP: Then let me use that one, and leave the star!

IRON MAN: Sorry, Cap -- team insignia only go on the chest ...

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You'll still click it when it comes down to it.

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If this is true, and I think it is not, I just wish they would stop implemeting policies and procedures that force the players to play the game how Statesman wants them to play. I feel like we are continually being told "You will play the game how I want you to play the game, or I will implement rules and restrictions that force you too. And if you figure out a more efficient way to play than what I want, I will slap you down with my nerf bat." This would just be another step in that direction.

Actually, even is SG mode you can set your hero to look exactly as they do normally...except for the chest logo. So you could run in SG mode literally ALL the time and still look the same. So we could ALL get one hell of a base. We would just have to put up with a SG emblem on our chest at all times but look as we normally do otherwise.

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Somebody once said that if you want more people to use a certain piece of content more, make an effort to make that piece more fun, rather than trying to force people into using it.

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Not sure if this has been suggested yet, but what about having the SG bases based on how long your SG has been up and running. So the longer your SG has been around the bigger the sg base you can have.

And as far as using influence you would still have to pay rent and still have to pay inf for the furnishing and what not. The "SG time" would only count for how big you base can be.

If the datamining is going to be done, can't they instead look at total time that the SG has PLAYED together? Our SG teams up almost every night, and has for months. But we almost NEVER use SG outfits. We prefer the individuality of team members wearing the costumes they designed themselves. And yes, the chest emblems are a big deal to some of us.

When you look at comics, the supergroups that wear "team oufits" are actually few and far between. The only ones that spring to mind are the original X-Men, the original New Mutants, and the Fantastic Four. When you look at the Avengers, Justice League of America, new X-Men, Teen Titans, Defenders and Justice Society (and with research I'm sure I could come up with more), it would seem that "time spent in SG costumes" is a very poor indicator of the livelihood of a supergroup.

And I also agree with those that say that this is wholly unfair to those of us that never gave a thought to the fact that wearing SG costumes might some day carry some sort of weight.

Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

INdeed- the SG system as a whole is SO limiting, this idea is damn laughable. In Lone STAR, we have 5 SGs all of which have members that use the SG colors till level 20 and then BOOM, SG uniform time. The limitations of the SG color scheme and emblem restriction are sad and should be altered if they plan on doing something this insane.

Sidebar- why the hell can you STILL not change your colors or emblem??? For a game with SOO much customization in costume creation, the SG system is down right fascist!

This is a bad idea, and a worse rumor.