SG mode to determine base rent?
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Accualt,
Posted on: 2005-08-22 09:50 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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So basicly all this means is that my chest symbol will always be my SG's and I can say good bye to my straps and bandoliers....
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No, it means you have a bit more of an opportunity to roleplay. Do you wear the gimpy Supergroup colours and add to the fame and prestige of the team or at this time do you feel more like an individual who wants to look cool and dress as you like. Conform and benefit the team or go rogue and look cool.
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Who said anything about changing colors? 
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Like they are going to datamine for this and not for badges... whatEVER. I am not falling for this. If a moderator confirms it, I'll bite... hard.
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I can understand your want for a dev to confirm it, but Scoob was copying from my post.
I was sitting not 8 feet from Zeb when he talked about it. Now, they may very well change their minds about this system before it goes live, but there was no confusing what he was saying.
Bases will not be purchased/rented via influence, it will be via something new called 'Prestige', and that will be earned by spending time in SuperGroup Mode. He also said that they had every intention of datamining for it so that when bases go live SGs can immediately start building them.
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I entirely intend to do so, if it is based on inf.
I hate the idea of SG prestige buying bases, in a large part because my SG teams together pretty constantly, but never uses the SG mode, as the colors just don't fit with a lot of our characters. We shouldn't have to look like silly little gits to have a decent base.
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Well, even in SG mode, you don't have to use SG colours. What I dislike is the fact that when you're in SG mode, you have to use the SG symbol on your chest. Many of my characters have custom chest details (other than symbols, like shoulder straps and whatnot) that I just don't want to do without. I wish there were a way to either choose no symbol for your SG or not use the symbol when in SG mode.
I also wish you could choose where the symbol was displayed (like on belts, capes, etc.), but that's neither here nor there.
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Bases will not be purchased/rented via influence, it will be via something new called 'Prestige', and that will be earned by spending time in SuperGroup Mode. He also said that they had every intention of datamining for it so that when bases go live SGs can immediately start building them.
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Not shooting the messenger here, but... what in hell are high level characters supposed to spend their millions of Inf on, if not bases?
Maybe if you purchased base rooms with Prestige and furnishings with Influence, that would make some kind of sense... but datamining here would just be plain wrong. It sounds like it's just a way to get big bases from day one to show off the system, with no regard for how the PLAYERS actually feel. I don't see how anyone could be in favour of it.
... gah, I can't remember EVER feeling this way about anything in CoH before. Bad sign. 
Well hell, that pretty much does me in. I'd been trying to decide whether I wanted to get into CoV or not...and if this is in fact how it's gonna go down, then...count me out. Damnit, all I want is a freakin' apartment for my lone lil' scrapper who's drowning in Influence...ah, well. *sigh* Enjoy the Rogue Isles, kids...
Well, remember, beta just started last Wednesday and CoV won't be released for 2 months at the very least. It is completely possible that they'll see the feedback on this and change it.
Ok I can understand the frustration of high level players who have been saving lots of influence under the perception that they would pay for bases with it.
And I can understand people that rankle at having to wear the supergroup insignia just to earn "Prestige" points.
BUT...
It =IS= a supergroup base, is it not? How better to "pay" for it than by being in supergroup mode (even if you use your normal colors)? As one person above sarcastically said (without, ironically, realizing the truth of what he was saying), "Conform and benefit the team or go rogue and look cool." Yes, benefit the team, because it's a team base, not yours alone (unless you're a lone wolf SG).
And, this Prestige idea is more fair to low level players that don't have tens (or hundreds) of millions in influence. A group of level 15s that have been playing in SG mode is just as able to have a base as a group of 50s doing the same thing.
So, happy with the idea or not, I can see the reasoning behind it.
Besides, like Cantalus says, it's still a ways off. Don't pop a vein over a rumor.
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Well, remember, beta just started last Wednesday and CoV won't be released for 2 months at the very least. It is completely possible that they'll see the feedback on this and change it.
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Well, maybe this will help:
A player should never have to make an uninformed choice about something important.
According to Statesman, that's always been the golden rule of CoH. Datamining to award Prestige would be giving retroactive consequences - SIGNIFICANT ones - to uninformed choices. I don't see how that could possibly be acceptable.
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So, happy with the idea or not, I can see the reasoning behind it.
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The idea isn't a bad one. It brings to mind Wolverine chafing at having to wear an X-Men uniform, and Cyclops' quip about yellow spandex.
But datamining to see how long people have been playing in SG mode and awarding Prestige retroactively? VERY BAD IDEA. That's no more than a lottery. It would be SO much better to start everyone off on the same footing, able to make an informed choice about how to proceed.
Any clue on how prestige is going to be awarded? Do I get the prestige for my SG or does my SG get it directly? For instance if I spend just recently changed SG's would my old SG get the prestige that I would have earned when they datamine the information or would that prestige be associated with my toon and transfer to my new SG?
This is a good idea, actually.
Have you seen the prices at ICON to change your shoes? Or even something as simple as a belt? Imagine what it would cost to build a room that looks -exactly- like the CoT caves, or an underground base that's set up like the Malta/Council/Sky Raiders technological map with the elevators and such. All you have to do is click SG mode, and have members stay in it. Not that hard.
True, but we don't know how much Prestige it will cost to replicate an Ornebega map. For all we know a level 15 SG could have to wear their SG colors for a month straight just to buy the basic map.
I still think it's silly not to use the already established influence system. Use influence to buy the basic map SGbase at a lower price, and THEN customize it with Prestige as you go or buy stuff straight out with more influence.
I also agree with Sadako that data-mining is a bad idea, people shouldn't be kicking themselves for not using SG colors if they had no idea is was going to mean something. I'd say when CoV comes out, give CoH SG's the option to start building up Prestige before they install Bases, that way everyone starts on equal footing and has time to build up the dough to buy a Crib.
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I'd say when CoV comes out, give CoH SG's the option to start building up Prestige before they install Bases, that way everyone starts on equal footing and has time to build up the dough to buy a Crib.
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Either that, or set a definite date when Prestige counting will begin, a few weeks before SoV goes live. That way, SGs can put in the hours in advance if they like, and make an informed choice about doing so.
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- Making people be in a supergroup costume flies in the face of groups like the Justice League, Teen Titans and the Avengers.
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I forgot. The Freedom Phalanx doesn't wear coordinated costumes either. 
It really comes down a very simple question: do you want your supergroup leader telling you how to dress?
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It really comes down a very simple question: do you want your supergroup leader telling you how to dress?
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Heh. This kind of boils down to the initial decision to define 'supergroup mode' as what you LOOK like, instead of what you DO.
A better option, IMO, would have been to have 'supergroup mode' transfer 50% or more of all earned Influence straight into the supergroup's coffers. Substitute personal glory for group reputation.
I could go either way on this. I've got bookoo influence and all, but my SG all swap into costume if one or the other of us is on together. I kind'a like it but I also made sure to use two primary colors for the SG, so they are good for making little tweak additions to uniforms, switch out your belt or gloves or the alt color on your boots... anyways... we do stuff in SG mode a lot.
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So *was* there an old SG value of 'Time'?
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Yes, it might have been "Time In" or something similar, but it was definitely there.
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Yep, "Time spent in SG Mode"
I like this idea. You are not your SG. You very well may add influence to it, but the SG as an entity is only out there doing something when it's members are actively advertising themselves as such, in the manner that the game provides, SG mode.
I agree is does kinda bite for people that never used it, but it makes a lot more sense than Influence. You guys have said it yourselves, 1 Level 50 has enough Influence to build a better SG base than a group of 75 incredibly active lvl 20s. That isn't right either. Shoot, how many of you have seen the screenshot of that one guy with 1billion influence? Basing rent on that would be retarded. You'd be better off restricting base size and fittings on the number of SG members active in the last month.
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It really comes down a very simple question: do you want your supergroup leader telling you how to dress?
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If that's the case you don't need to be in a supergroup then. If the leader tells you all to jump, then jump. If he says take the hit, take the hit. If he tells you what to wear, then you wear it. If you don't like it the Quit button is right there. You'll only find yourself hearing the same thing if you join another if this SG prestige is the way to buy bases.
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If that's the case you don't need to be in a supergroup then. If the leader tells you all to jump, then jump. If he says take the hit, take the hit. If he tells you what to wear, then you wear it. If you don't like it the Quit button is right there. You'll only find yourself hearing the same thing if you join another if this SG prestige is the way to buy bases.
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Which goes against the idea that a SG would be a group of friends. Putting these pathetic restrictions only serves to overrule any social aspects a SG may have had with forced aspects. And let me tell you, my SG may not be very active, but it's active enough. And yet, wehn we team together, we never wear SG costumes. Why? Because that's just how we like to play. We're not in the military, where everyone needs to conform or face punishment. We're in a group of friends and allies, where we accept each other for what we are and for what we represent. We respect each other's differences and allow each other to express ourselves in whatever way we see fit. But I suppose that concept is going out the door. It's uniforms for everyone, or no superbase.
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It's uniforms for everyone, or no superbase.
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And in a game with the most superbly detailed costume creation system ever, that is just ironic as all hell.
Jesus Christ on a crouton.
No matter what system they bring out people will just [censored]. Get over it. Are they asking you to sell your soul? NO. It's one button you click. Okay you have to wear it for awhile. LET IT BE. It's either that or you don't have an SG base. Plain and simple. Influence or prestige you're going to have to sacrifice something. So quit the whining and pouting and just deal with it.
Goodness. The way some of you act I sometimes believe we're on SOE boards.
I think it would be better if we could just sell our soul for a good base. This whole prestige thing is the suxxors.
I agree with Yin, and if the SG colors thing is really that big of a deal, go into SG Settings, change the colors back to your actual colors and leave the damn mode on. When the time comes that you need ACTUAL SG colors, change the settings again. It's not that difficult people.
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If that's the case you don't need to be in a supergroup then. If the leader tells you all to jump, then jump. If he says take the hit, take the hit. If he tells you what to wear, then you wear it. If you don't like it the Quit button is right there. You'll only find yourself hearing the same thing if you join another if this SG prestige is the way to buy bases.
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Oh my god...you're serious....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! *gasp*
Hey everybody! Look at the tough guy! He thinks he's running an army or something! Hey general, do you treat your supergroup as crappy as you're saying? Or are you just full of hot air?
Sorry Yin but when I join supergroups I do it to have people to play and have fun with. Not for some pompus scum bag who thinks his pixels are better than mine to treat me like dirt. If I have to read the same kind of self-important garbage from other supergroups that I just did from you, then yeah I think I will stay back and wait for my apartment.
Sad fact is, SG leaders that want a base will -have- to do this even if they disagree with it. There's not even a told option to not put a membership though such garbage. I'm sure it's just great for leaders looking for an e-peen stroke. Everybody else? They're screwed.
Smart design right there. Thumbs up right here. I wonder if Supes and Cap America were so pathetic?
Like they are going to datamine for this and not for badges... whatEVER. I am not falling for this. If a moderator confirms it, I'll bite... hard.