SG mode to determine base rent?

lucas · 08-23-2005 10:39 AM

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What things?

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Amadan · 08-23-2005 10:54 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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What things?

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I assume that you get prestige like infl/or xp when in sg mode...
So being in sg mode doesn't necessarily do much. But being in sg mode while hunting and gaining xp/infl will also acrue prestige. Just my thinking.
BTW I think this makes perfect sense. It makes excellent use of an ingame option. I do see some holes though, I know alot of SG s that require a whole costume slot and that everyone don that costume during sg play. Such groups wouldn't get the credit they deserve... I still like the idea though.

AngryRedHerring · 08-23-2005 10:54 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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...But we HAVE been doing things. Lots of things. Check any of our badge lists. We just haven't been dressed like the Andrews Sisters when we were doing it! We team almost exclusively with our SG; it's only when no other SG members are online that we do PUGs. But once the SG list starts turning blue, we quickly team up and spend the rest of our play session fighting as a Supergroup.

I've always thought of the SG outfits as a nice option to have. For instance, my Kin/Elec speedster spent the other night in his SG outfit 'cause I arranged the colors into a cool patriotic design (red and blue are SG colors, my speedster has white in his personal outfit). I felt like it. After a while, I went back to the outfit that is so familiar to me and my teammates.

But if this parameter is implemented, it makes SG outfits almost mandatory. Soon, all we'll see are groups running around dressed alike. Individuality will officially be penalized, and we might as well toss our personal outfits out the window.

I wholeheartedly agree that SG bases should have some sort of attachment to the life of the SG. But to make it dependant upon what clothes you wear seems unnecessarily restrictive, quite contrary to the spirit of CoH, and degrading to its awesome costume creation system.

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SynakulOne · 08-23-2005 10:56 AM

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GenericVillain · 08-23-2005 11:01 AM

Well, it won't bother me because the sg I'm in has a sg costume, but also, when we are out fighting, has a sg color scheme that we switch to ON that costume. So in other words, we have 2 costume in one, and we already all switch to sg mode anyways, so this won't mess us up, although I can see how it might be annoying to other people.

My advice is to figure out a way to work sg colors with a costume, or figure out a good sg color/sg costume combo.

Circeus_NA · 08-23-2005 11:01 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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So, why not just mine if we've teamed with SG members. Which is something that people do all the time, but they don't necessarily use SG mode while doing it. Had people known this would be a requirement, people would have been doing it all along.

Besides, not like there's a lot of use for SG outside of mild organization. They have crap functionality in general. We were promised more functionality for SG to come along with CoV. But not word one has been said about this.

So besides "spending time in SG mode gets you bases", name 5 other enhancements you've made to SGs for CoV.

Jasra · 08-23-2005 11:06 AM

While I'm not a big fan of this idea, I will point out that the only thing that *has* to change when switching into sg mode is the chest emblem, you can leave all of the costume colors the same as they are in your base costume. This means it will be a (relatively) small change for most people, and no change at all for uniformed SGs where the SG emblem is the same as the required uniform.

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Tog · 08-23-2005 11:07 AM

There are also those of us who have a main SG and several spinoff SG's to handle the overflow membership. My SG has the main group, the group for the 50's, a reserve group, an overflow group, and at least 3 specialty theme groups, as well as two more spinoffs of the same group on a different server. We have about 70 active members, many of which play several diferent toons in the course of a week. If only time actually playing in the main SG is going to count, we could esily end up with a run down old shack surrounded by a half dozen mansions.

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AngryRedHerring · 08-23-2005 11:07 AM

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SDragon · 08-23-2005 11:24 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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HA! I TOLD YOU!

Deadnaught · 08-23-2005 11:29 AM

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This was posted on my SG boards this morning by someone who attended GenCon this last weekend:
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Other news from GenCon...

SG bases will not be purchased with Influence, they'll be purchased with something called 'Prestige', and you'll earn Prestige for the SG while you are in SuperGroup Mode.

Zeb said they'd be datamining for this so that once Prestige is implemented, already active SGs will have lots of it.

So, if we want to have a rockin' SG base as soon as we can, we should all start playing our X characters in SuperGroup Mode, pretty much all the time.

So sayeth the devs.

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Personally, I think the datamining of time spent in SG mode stinks. I don't know of a single SG out there that uses SG mode over an official SG costume and think it's a bad idea. I would rather have my SG dump 100 million a month in Influence into a base than be obligated to log in my character, enter a door mission, put him in SG mode, then go to bed just so I can build 'prestige' to pay base rent.

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You're kidding me. Who came up with this brain-fart? No one prances about in their SG mode theres no benefit to it other than looking like everyone is color coordinated. Now, if their was a bonus attached to being in SG mode - say, a 5% ACC bonus or something - then more people would have opted into SG mode when on with their SG. Also, to spring this "Prestige" thing on everyone and say, "Oh, you can't buy a base with Influence, you need this all new currency no one's heard of" is just bad design and planning - period. Devs, you can't have people think that saving up on influence will let SG's buy bases when it goes live only to yank that chain and create a new currency at the last minute - a currency no active player ever planned for. I hate to say it, but his is indicative of the design by the cuff way you guys do things. You have to think these things out before pulling a stunt like this. Do you actually hate your customers or something? Or just clueless? Yeah, Im being harsh, but [censored], the poor choices that keep cropping up around here is just mind-numbingly frustrating.

Just for the record, my SG has almost 50 million influence that we were putting aside for bases. What the hell are we supposed ot do with all that influence now? Yeah, great thinking there, guys.

Hyper_Man · 08-23-2005 11:32 AM

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Wow. Another "great" idea from the Devs. :P

Here is a little acronym that you and the others should take to heart, Lord Recluse: K.i.s.S. And just incase you have no clue what that means, Keep it simple STUPID!

We have Influence. Use it! There is little other use for it in the game. That is unless you plan to finally open up the bowling alleys for us. :P Adding "Prestige" to the game just for the sole purpose of base building stinks of over-thinking the idea. Especially if getting said "Prestige" will probably involve something like SG's going on TF's or certain missions, with only other SG members, while in SG colors. That sounds just plain tedious.

Not to mention all the data mining that will need to take place. And the numerous petitions that you as Devs will have to deal with from players stating they already did what was required to get Prestige.

And here is another bit of info you might find insightful. While SG mode is a cool little feature; if players wish their SG members to match, we usually design a specific costume for that purpose. Your European site has a perfect example of that showing right now, with the costume contest they are holding. So if "Prestige" is just another way to make a little thought of feature have some importance finally, stop it.

This is a game. Games are meant to be fun. Yet it seems that ever decision coming from the Devs of late is working against that purpose. Admitly some are good, like the cap on AoE effects. But others like Prestige, Defiance as a Blaster power, and the Phase Shift changes, just to name a few; are just plain stupid.

Influence: Good and Simple.
Prestige: Bad idea.

'Nuff said.

Yin_COH · 08-23-2005 11:33 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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About time we got something official.

I hoping these "things" include more SG-teaming. On TFs, trials, and regular missions. If this is the case, then datamining should start now to get all of this situated and in order for those SGs whom have been doing these things for quite some time now.

GadgetDon · 08-23-2005 11:36 AM

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If this is a confirmation that you must be in SG Mode to earn prestige, let me add my voice to those saying "That sucks"

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The_Faou · 08-23-2005 11:43 AM

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and I thought Statesman was the only person that didn't think before he posted.... guess I was wrong.

This little rumour (now proved to be more than such) was posted on our SG forums today, I popped on in and I must say, I've been proven right. Every time a dev speaks, it is the stupidest thing I ever hear....until they speak again.

BigSumi · 08-23-2005 11:43 AM

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There are also those of us who have a main SG and several spinoff SG's to handle the overflow membership. My SG has the main group, the group for the 50's, a reserve group, an overflow group, and at least 3 specialty theme groups, as well as two more spinoffs of the same group on a different server. We have about 70 active members, many of which play several diferent toons in the course of a week. If only time actually playing in the main SG is going to count, we could esily end up with a run down old shack surrounded by a half dozen mansions.

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Our SG(s) are in the same boat. We have a 50's SG, a main SG, a lowbie SG and at least one active themed AT SG. Global chat and our global channel bind have been a godsend, so everyone can talk on the same channel.

We actually do frequently put on the SG colors when we team, but with sidekicking and such we can have members from 3 different SGs with different SG colors running together.

My concern is that even in our active, SG-mode-using SGs, our heroes move from one group to the other as they go up in levels. So does the "Prestige" I've accumulated on my lvl 30 in the lowbie group disappear now that I've moved her up to the main SG? Or does it stay with the lowbie SG?

[Edit]: I did want to say that I kind of like the idea of Prestige; I think you should be "showing your colors" (or at least your SG symbol) when you team up. As other posters have noted though, this will hurt the SGs who chose their colors and then didn't think about them again.

Start fresh with Prestige in CoV and CoH when CoV comes out.

Malcolm_McCallum · 08-23-2005 11:44 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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If this is a confirmation that you must be in SG Mode to earn prestige, let me add my voice to those saying "That sucks"

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So I try desperately to drown you out saying 'That's great!'

....as long as there is no datamining and no mass grandfathering of prestige.

Greyhawke · 08-23-2005 11:46 AM

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Please consider posting some concrete information. This is a subject dear to most (if not all) SGs.

Anyway, a question. We have several 'sister' SGs where we put alts and the like. Often, members will switch between SGs as the character they play more often changes. How does this 'in and out' of an SG effect Prestige? Is it reset when you quit the SG? If so, this also impacts SGs with a rotating leadership, as former Leaders cannot be demoted and must quit and rejoin.

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Grey joins SG-1 right at launch. Six months into the game Grey finds that he is spending more time playing Violet. Player moves Grey to SG-1a (an alt SG) and Violet to SG-1. Another six months and Violet is level 50. Violet retires to SG-1a and Player returns Grey to SG-1. What gets Datamined here?

Deadnaught · 08-23-2005 11:49 AM

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So if I enter SG mode with some other members of my SG, I then break out the boombox and dance a jig for 12 hours, I get prestige for "doing something?" BRILLIANT! You sir, are SUPER DESIGNER!

Malcolm_McCallum · 08-23-2005 11:55 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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So if I enter SG mode with some other members of my SG, I then break out the boombox and dance a jig for 12 hours, I get prestige for "doing something?" BRILLIANT! You sir, are SUPER DESIGNER!

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AngryRedHerring · 08-23-2005 11:57 AM

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Every time a dev speaks, it is the stupidest thing I ever hear....until they speak again.

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You know, I don't like the idea of the uniform requirement either... But when I read this kinda garbage, I just want to say "Please, stay off my side."

There are ways to debate this reasonably without insufferable, mindless insults.

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The_Faou · 08-23-2005 11:57 AM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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If this is a confirmation that you must be in SG Mode to earn prestige, let me add my voice to those saying "That sucks"

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So I try desperately to drown you out saying 'That's great!'

....as long as there is no datamining and no mass grandfathering of prestige.

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I don't consider it great. Why?

There is a 75 character limit in a SG. That means there is:

Legion of Freedom (limit one player, for mains)
The Legion of Freedom (limit one player, for mains, overflow)
Legion of Freedom - HotC (for 50's)
Legion of Freedom - Reserves (alts)
Legion of Freedom - SpecOps (themed)

You'll notice that the first 3 are for current mains. Until they increase the amount of toons you can have in a single SG, then this system that is being talked of sucks hairy monkey nuts. All members should have access to SG items that are being purchased in the game, SG bases not being a currency sink means that enhancements will rise to compensate (hurting the newer players), and my personal favorite...it's another in a long line of ham fisted attempts to encourage players to do something they don't want to; whether that be because it's unfun, or just a stupid schtick. The developers can't seem to make SG mode remotely appealing by any other means, and while it may seem novel at first, the wider vision of this craptastic idea isn't hard to grasp.

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Yin_COH · 08-23-2005 12:01 PM

SG limit is their fault, and they will receive all the moans and groans for it. We've been asking them to up the amount ever since Beta, and still nothing. So they're going to run into problems there. That's why when more than 900 people tell you to do something, you do it. They keep passing the bull that there's a limit due to SG-related content, but I've yet to even see the option to have glowing eyes with any style of face yet, so Lord knows when that's coming.

Lady_Sadako · 08-23-2005 12:02 PM

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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.

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While I can appreciate that this helps the level 20s who otherwise wouldn't get a base, can I please make two suggestions?

1) Don't datamine for this. Seriously. Please. It would be awarding a benefit for something that was never tagged as beneficial. I know you're a supervillain and everything, but that JUST AIN'T RIGHT.

2) Let us pay for bases and their fittings with Prestige OR Influence. That way, the level 20s aren't priced out of the market, and the level 50s have something to spend their Inf on.

The_Faou · 08-23-2005 12:03 PM

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Every time a dev speaks, it is the stupidest thing I ever hear....until they speak again.

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You know, I don't like the idea of the uniform requirement either... But when I read this kinda garbage, I just want to say "Please, stay off my side."

There are ways to debate this reasonably without insufferable, mindless insults.

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This isn't a uniform requirement, although...that's how it's percieved. This is substituting a working system for another because noone uses it. Ask yourself WHY noone uses it.

As to my comment that is so insulting, it wasn't me who said it originally. It is what is said almost everytime a dev speaks nowadays because...it actually is. I mean, just when you think they've mined the farthest depths of ignorance, they find another vein. All I've done is make the observation that it's a widespread comment, expectation, and undeniable truth.