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I agree with Yin, and if the SG colors thing is really that big of a deal, go into SG Settings, change the colors back to your actual colors and leave the damn mode on. When the time comes that you need ACTUAL SG colors, change the settings again. It's not that difficult people.

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hmmm... I think we went over that already...

The question I do have, having thought about it, is if prestige is earned just like Influence.... in that oyu have to be actively defeating villians?

I could just stand in SG mode inside a mission all day (or anywhere while on a TF) where there is no Auto-Log out just to earn time based prestige... which really would make the whole idea absolutely ridiculous!

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It really comes down a very simple question: do you want your supergroup leader telling you how to dress?

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If that's the case you don't need to be in a supergroup then. If the leader tells you all to jump, then jump. If he says take the hit, take the hit. If he tells you what to wear, then you wear it. If you don't like it the Quit button is right there. You'll only find yourself hearing the same thing if you join another if this SG prestige is the way to buy bases.



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Are you serious???

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If that's the case you don't need to be in a supergroup then. If the leader tells you all to jump, then jump. If he says take the hit, take the hit. If he tells you what to wear, then you wear it. If you don't like it the Quit button is right there. You'll only find yourself hearing the same thing if you join another if this SG prestige is the way to buy bases.

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Oh my god...you're serious....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! *gasp*

Hey everybody! Look at the tough guy! He thinks he's running an army or something! Hey general, do you treat your supergroup as crappy as you're saying? Or are you just full of hot air?

Sorry Yin but when I join supergroups I do it to have people to play and have fun with. Not for some pompus scum bag who thinks his pixels are better than mine to treat me like dirt. If I have to read the same kind of self-important garbage from other supergroups that I just did from you, then yeah I think I will stay back and wait for my apartment.

Sad fact is, SG leaders that want a base will -have- to do this even if they disagree with it. There's not even a told option to not put a membership though such garbage. I'm sure it's just great for leaders looking for an e-peen stroke. Everybody else? They're screwed.

Smart design right there. Thumbs up right here. I wonder if Supes and Cap America were so pathetic?

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What I said was an example. You took it completely out of context to the point where I stopped reading half way through your post. Again, SGs are meant to be fun, but if you're going to carry such an attitude and not help contribute then you don't need to be in one. Half of your statements are completely out of the picture and asinine. I didn't imply any of those things you mentioned above, so the laugh is 100% on you. Perhaps next time try reading and then thinking before posting? Then you wouldn't find yourself in such a predicament.

And Surbaban is right, or were we all too busy with our heads between our legs to use the common sense God gave us to think about using that method?

I am not against SG modes and honestly until I do see something from a dev about it, I'm not going to worry about it overly much. Here are my concerns I do have though.

1. Multiple SG groups. For instance my main SG actually has 3 groups due to the size. How will the data mining affect that?

2. Alts. I have one toon in each of the above SG's and several alts who I play who are not due to limited space. Even though I run them with the SG. So these toons won't count towards prestige? Hrmphf.

3. I am not happy when my membership is not happy and I know there are people out there who don't like the SG colors or symbol or just don't want to switch because of character concept. I would never insist on my members running SG colors except when we are doing a recruiting drive or participating in an event.

Perhaps I did come off a little too harsh, but I stick to it. We haven't seen a red name appear in this thread yet, so don't take everything to heart here. There's two ways people can go about this:

1.) Suck it up and do SG mode. Surburbanhell suggested changing the settings so that the SG colors don't overide the current costume. Nothing was stated that SG colors and symbol had to be visable in order to gain prestige, or

2.) Don't purchase a base. Yes. A lot of leaders/people are continuously saying that they won't force members to go into SG mode (and you shouldn't - no one can be forced to do something they don't want to do, so I'm retracting a statement or two from my previous post), but when it boils down to the arguement if the SG wants a base or not, 9/10 (since this has been a LONG awaited feature) more than half of the group is liable to say yes. So a lot of the nay-sayers will be finding themselves in SG mode if this statement is true.

A lot of us are taking this completely too far. No red name has appeared. If a red name comes in and confirms that this is true, then we have a reason to go at each other like a bunch of SOE 1337 kids; but because no one official has came in yet there is no need for us to be this concerned about it. So I'm done, but sticking with my opinion.

I think this is a good idea. Prestige will be a different system to use just for a change of pace. Influence will be spent on other things - like classes for the university, and the weapons customization tool, as well as vehicles. If it costs almost 300k to change a boot style in ICON, how much do you think it'll cost to take a class when skills come out? Heh.

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What I said was an example. You took it completely out of context to the point where I stopped reading half way through your post. Again, SGs are meant to be fun, but if you're going to carry such an attitude and not help contribute then you don't need to be in one. Half of your statements are completely out of the picture and asinine. I didn't imply any of those things you mentioned above, so the laugh is 100% on you. Perhaps next time try reading and then thinking before posting? Then you wouldn't find yourself in such a predicament.

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Not only is he a general! He's also a lawyer! The man of a thousand talents, everybody. Tell me, how am I supposed to take anything you say seriously when you just admitted to not even reading the words of the person you're replying to?

Nobody twisted your words out of context. You said that people either have to do what their SG leader tells them or quit. I'm not going to be told how to dress by another person who has no control over my account or my character creator.

Oh, and where did I say that I didn't want to contribute to a supergroup? Last time I checked, I said that I wouldn't play with wind bags and that I don't want to give up my character design for their sake. Two can play at the hair-splitting game.

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Except you're stuck with the supergroup insignia in supergroup mode and you can't get rid of it. Hello? McFly? You're telling me I'm the one who's having reading problems?

This is why I hardly post on these forums. It's the people like you who steer normal, decent people away from saying a word because you're so uptight, sarcastic, and your ignorance is just astounding. Played an SOE game before?

And I guess I'm a general now. And a lawyer. And a pompous [censored]. Whatever. They're just words on the Internet. It's hard to translate emotions into words across the Internet so I cannot blame you for coming off as you do. All ignorant, disrespectful, and the mind-set of a twelve-year-old, but that's what I always expect when posting here. And so you're stuck with an insignia. Alright. Deal with it. If it's that much of a problem send a petition and have them deal with it. You still remain in your normal costume colors. Big deal. Is there anything else you want to throw at me? Am I a professor now? Trying to play it cool? Trying to sound as if I'm the bigger person? Go ahead. I'm wide open, bud. /rolleyes

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I like this idea. You are not your SG. You very well may add influence to it, but the SG as an entity is only out there doing something when it's members are actively advertising themselves as such, in the manner that the game provides, SG mode.

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My main problem is that a lot of SGs (on Triumph at least) have an official SG uniform, and it's not uncommon at all for people to wear the uniform even when teaming with non-sg people. So all that time spent promoting the sg *without* using SG mode amounts to squat.

My two cents...just my opinion.

Horrible HORRIBLE idea. Just terrible...for several reasons.

-Like MANY have said, a lot of SG's require their members to have a slot devoted to a SG costume...Global Heroics being a case in point. Therefore, when they team, they team in their SG costume...NOT in SG mode.

-You have the best costume generator in the history of MMORPG's (as far as I know) which encourages hours of tweaking to get that costume "just right". But now...if you want to have a superbase you have to throw that finely crafted masterpiece out the window? Even if it IS only the chest emblem...that's still going to be a kick in the teeth for some people.

-Anyone with at least one fifty already has more influence than all their alts on that server COMBINED will ever be able to spend. It would be SO nice to actually have something to do with it. We WANT influence sinks (or at least I do).

-Superbases are, IMHO, one of the most anticipated upcoming features this game has. And I know for a fact that some people have spent the last 12+ months hoarding influence so they can get said superbase and trick it out...only to be told they need to start from scratch?

Hey, this isn't set in stone...and I haven't seen a red name confirm it yet. And, honestly, it's not even close to being a "game breaking" issue. But if this IS the plan...man I hope they reconsider...sounds VERY ill-advised to me.

Again this is all IMHO, take it, or dismiss it, as such.

One thing is for certain, there's going to have to be somekind of scaling involved. Whether it's Prestige increasing with Level, gained percentage based on membership size or an difference in price with size/scale of product. Otherwise small SGs will get the short end of the stick.

With influence, it scales with level, so even a small group can rack up a sizeable bank once a few characters start getting in to the high levels, thus allowing to at least get close to the profitability of a larger SG.

If Prestige is a flat rate (which I sincerely hope it won't be) then a SG of ten people, even if they're level 50s, will have to spend 2/3's more time in their SG colors than a SG of 30 to make the same.

So there really has to be some kind of scaling on either the side of earning potential or the product available.

If they can ensure that my sub-10 group of Higher Level friends don't have to spend 3 straight months in SG colors to pay the rent, while the 50+ FOTM group that started under Atlas last week only has to spend 3 days in SG colors, I will be a bit more accepting of the proposed system.

I was at GenCon as well and can backup the OP claims about Prestige and SG bases.

I did talk to Zeb about using influence to pay for the bases.

He said the reason they did it this way is so that people who are around level 20 group can get a base. If influence was used to pay for the base, a level 20 group couldn't pay for it. So they decided to make a new system so that lower level SGs could afford a base.

If I didn't explain myself well, I am sorry it is 1:35 AM and I am really really tired.

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He said the reason they did it this way is so that people who are around level 20 group can get a base. If influence was used to pay for the base, a level 20 group couldn't pay for it. So they decided to make a new system so that lower level SGs could afford a base.

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Yes, it makes sense. Still... there are some screwy things about it.

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I was at GenCon as well and can backup the OP claims about Prestige and SG bases.

I did talk to Zeb about using influence to pay for the bases.

He said the reason they did it this way is so that people who are around level 20 group can get a base. If influence was used to pay for the base, a level 20 group couldn't pay for it. So they decided to make a new system so that lower level SGs could afford a base.

If I didn't explain myself well, I am sorry it is 1:35 AM and I am really really tired.

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I run a weekly SG with a uniform, but we never use SG mode. Why? because the logo we use (a number ' 8 ') is not available as an SG emblem.

In fact none of my characters ever use SG mode, because i spend alot of time and effort on their costumes, and usually don't want the colours or chest emblem changed.

I have a simple solution though (not including the gawd-awful datamining idea), make the chest emblem change OPTIONAL,
just like the colours, then people can team and be in SG mode with no change of appearance.

Also I think you should have to be teamed with SG mates to earn prestiege, or at least have it multiplied depending on how many SG mates are in your team. Teaming with 7 SG mates should be worth more than 7 soloing heroes in terms of the amount of real 'prestiege' you would earn.

Might as well base it on the amount of hours spent doing the 'boombox' emote.

Honestly, thinking on this some more, the costume thing wouldn't bother me too much if there were other ways to earn prestige points. For example, maybe you can earn some prestige for completing a task force. Each person that completes a TF gets a set amount of points for completing a TF, but if you get a bonus for each member of your TF that does it with you. For example, if I do it with a group of people not in my SG, I get 1500 prestige points, but I get a 10% bonus for each member of my SG that is in the TF with me.

Also, perhaps they could compromise and allow us to exchange influence for prestige points? I'm sure they could come up with a good conversion rate that would allow their new system to still be the easier way to get a base. Like 1000 influence = 1 prestige point, and being in SuperGroup mode earns you 200 prestige points per defeated mob, scaling up while you level. This would make it so level 20s could still get bases from SG mode, while level 50s could just use their influence.

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Yes, it makes sense. Still... there are some screwy things about it.

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I agree. While I can understand the disappointment in the high levels with influence, overall it does make sense. It does allow for a somewhat 'even' playing field in regards to earnability in the points required for a base. And it seems to be overall very fair, providing the 'rent' isn't something outrageous. I'd want to see more details surrounding the 'rent' before commenting further on that.

As was pointed out by other posters, the INF based base is not very fair to the lower levels who a) don't have a lot of influence to begin with and b) are scraping their INF together for DO's and their first SO's. A SG based system is pretty fair across the board. Especially since some advanced notice is being given, so those who have opted to use costume slot will have time to adjust.

However, I'd also like to see it being somewhat reasonable in cost and associated rent. Sure, a lot of SG's in the comics had their own bases. But a lot of heroes also had their own base of operations (Fortress of Solitude, Bat Cave, etc). I would hope they structure it so that a single hero, or small group, could still get something reasonable, without running the risk of losing it due to 'rent' costs.

Perhaps make the eye-candy stuff extremely cheap to buy, but anything that is an active defense of some kind much more expensive? Just trying to toss out ideas to balance between those who want a base with the PvP action, and those who just want a base for the fun aspect.

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Maybe when you are logged in, you are constantly earned Prestige points, but wearing your colors acts as a bonus multiplier?

/rampant speculation

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He said the reason they did it this way is so that people who are around level 20 group can get a base. If influence was used to pay for the base, a level 20 group couldn't pay for it. So they decided to make a new system so that lower level SGs could afford a base.

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What a surprise - Influence is completely b0rked.

This approach just replaces one messed-up situation with another. Well, here's a way around it - allow us to buy Prestige with Influence at a variable cost, depending on level, much like the way costume prices scale at Icon.

So, as a wild pulled from the air example: for a level 20 character 200 INF = 1 Prestige, for a level 50, 2,000 INF = 1 Prestige. Bingo, level playing field, influence useful for something, everyone happy.

Wow.

So we are more concerned with a group of 20s being able to buy a base then rewarding a group that's been together from day one and done thousands of missions together, but never entered sg mode.

So let's datamine for something that is completely arbitrary, but let's not reward those SGs who assembled and did the Moonfire & Shard TFs back before they had badges.

Unbelievable. I really hope this doesn't go live.

Time spent playing with your SG would be one thing, but time spent in SG mode?!? Give me a break. City of AFK'ers here we come.

Hrm, If you check out the interview linked in this thread it clearly states that bases will be built by spending influence. So untill a red name steps in I will still think that inf. is what counts for building bases.

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Other news from GenCon...

SG bases will not be purchased with Influence, they'll be purchased with something called 'Prestige', and you'll earn Prestige for the SG while you are in SuperGroup Mode.

Zeb said they'd be datamining for this so that once Prestige is implemented, already active SGs will have lots of it.

So, if we want to have a rockin' SG base as soon as we can, we should all start playing our X characters in SuperGroup Mode, pretty much all the time.

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Well, this would kind of suck for those smaller supergroups that are just family or a few friends.

Still, I played a lot of games at GenCon (didn't think to ask Statesman about the bases when I talked to him, so I can't deny or confirm the above rumor) and I didn't find any that compared to CoH, so I can't complain much. We'll just have to see what happens.

I posted this on the Virtue board this AM, and figured it belonged here too..

A few questions come to mind, though...

1. If someone leaves an SG, do they immediately lose all prestige they earned, and become therefore unable to contribute to a new SG?

2. Will there be something implemented to enable changing of SG colors/symbol after formation without completely restarting the SG? (Because let's face it, there's a lot of cruddy color/symbol combinations out there..)

3. Is it based off time spent -fighting- in SG colors, or can I merely sit around in my SG uniform and rack up prestige?

4. Am I the only one that thinks this penalizes the small SGs even more than having to pay influence? Influence can at least be borrowed/loaned...prestige sounds like it stays with the character, which is going to make nice bases very difficult for the small SG.

I can't say this idea -completely- bites, but I would prefer to see Prestige used to open 'extras' in base creation, instead of as the foundation for the base as a whole. There's just something inherently wrong about asking a superhero to give up the identity that they shaped and earned to build a base.. I mean, seriously...think of the Justice League here.

Did anyone ever see the Justice League running around in matching uniforms, or even common colors? Not that I recall, and yet they've got an awesome base...

I like my SG uniforms, I'm proud of them...but I don't routinely wear them (Usually only when teamed with non-SGmates), and in some cases going to SG mode completely destroys a character's concept costume (if you have important chest detail, for example...or any of the 'tops with skin' options that wind up putting your SG emblem on flesh instead of shirt ).

Should not time spent fighting as a MEMBER of an SG count just as much? It's not like the 'world' doesn't immediately recognize our supergroups (thanks to them being common knowledge, just under our names) anyway...

Your collected influnence should be used to buy the base and its location but your collected prestige allows you to upgrade the base. By wearing your SG mode supersuit your group gets known better by the general public, as your group collects prestige for being known more, you use the prestige to improve your base. This solves the problem of new and small SG's not being able to buy a base because no one knows of them.

I still like the idea of being able to pick the location of our bases because then the teleportation can't be used to rescue you from a bad mission which we all know will be abused once its set up.

Blaster: Heal me.
Healer: I can't.
Scrapper: Buff me.
Healer: I can't, I'm low on enfluence.
Blaster: I'm going back to our base before I die.
(Zap - Blaster is teleported back to base)
Scrapper: Poor Blaster.
Tanker: He's afraid of debt from dieing, I'm glad he left.
Healer: I'm ready, all gather.

How does this system reward a SG that has been on a server since day one, and has been using a costume slot for their SG uniform instead of the SG mode? My SG has been on Justice from the beginning and we have done every TF, Trial, mission, AV mission over and over as a group without being in SG mode. Our group always uses their costume slot uniform when we do group stuff, it looks a lot better then the SG mode.

I can understand that this system (if it is true, because will still have not heard an official response yet) would work for those players under level twenty scrapping for influence, but you need to reward the long time players who have been here since day one. The only option that I would accept this Prestige Points system is if players also have the option to buy points with influence.

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Unfortunately, that wouldn't work. It'd just encourage a bunch of people to level up to whatever the lowest level you can buy prestige, transfer all their influence and rake in a ton of points. If they're going to allow this (which they hopefully will), they'll have to have a flat rate for it.