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thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you......
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Oh, and was Havoc Punch nerfed in PvE or not. After several PMs we still have conflicting answers!
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CuppaJo told me that it hasn't been nerfed anywhere, that it was a mix-up and it's a change that's in the pipeline and hasn't been implemented yet.
I think.
I wish we could get some official word on this, too.
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It got tiring trying to run out dozens of those. I say this because I like to pull groups together. man, it'd take a minute or two when you get enough of em.
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Just a quick note since this is a hot topic. Regarding the issue of Earth Thorn Casters stacking multiple Quicksands (and such).
Without getting into details, ALL CoT Thorn Casters have been reworked. The amount of control powers these minions have will be severely reduced or outright removed. Expect other related changes with all Thorn Casters.
This change will come in Expansion 5.
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That will make the Positron TF much more "doable" than the last time I tried it.
Still here, even after all this time!
Sweet.
Talk about perma suppression of movement Powers! 
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Earth Thorn casters appear at level 30 and up. There are no thorn casters prior to level 30.
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Earth Thorn casters appear at level 30 and up. There are no thorn casters prior to level 30.
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I did a couple of CoT missions with a level 39 scrapper this past weekend. It was absolutely ludicrous to note that the hardest way to do the missions would have been at heroic or tenacious; half the minions would still be ETCs. At rugged, unyielding, or invincible, the minions would always be air thorns.
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Earth Thorn casters appear at level 30 and up. There are no thorn casters prior to level 30.
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You have thorns all the way back to 5th level. Elemental thorns start at 30th with Fire Thorns. You get Earth Thorns at 35, and Air Thorns at 40.
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Yeah that's right, you NEVER listen to us!!!- oh wait!
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I notice that this announcement didn't come up until AFTER the introduction of our *ahem* avatars...
You know what I'm sayin'?
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Avatars? What avatars? Does anyone know what he's talking about?
You sir, have no avatar.
DANGIT .... I never got around to trying myself agains them ...
heh ...cant please everybody 
When I fought Earth Thorns the problem that I perceived was not just the multiple stacking (which was annoying) but that the Quicksand summons didn't disappear when the Earth Thorn was defeated.
Hero Earth Controller's Quicksand (and Volcanic Gasses, and Earthquake, etc.) will disappear immediately when the hero is defeated. Villains and heroes should function the same way in relation to pets and summons. If enemies can keep their pets and summons alive after being defeated (turrets, quicksand, etc.) then heroes should as well.
Thorn Casters using the power isn't the problem, imo, it's that the power remains after the villain that summoned it is defeated.
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I hope they're not getting too dumbed down. The Earth Casters were out of control for sure, but the others were a reasonable challenge, anyway.
Have you thought about making Lt. versions with the hold powers to complement the minions without?
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/Signed.
Although, Most minions in the upper/late game are supposed to represent the LT's that were faced in earlier game. The Status effects are excessive when it's a bunch of minions doing it, but Debuffs and Toggles shouldn't be removed from every minion, just mix it up better so that the most punitive attacks are used less frequently and NOT at the start of every fight. Alphastrikes are bad enough as it is.
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This is already the case for the Possessed Scientists in PI. You can jump into a group of lieutenants with no idea if they're Madness Mages, Ruin Mages, Agony Mages, or...uh, whatever the other one is. And the minions can be Earth, Fire, Air, or Ice Thorn Casters.
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And actually, I kind of like that.
Yay! Geko!
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I can only imagine the uproar of impending DOOOOOM this change has brought to the Official CoT forums!
I wonder how many Thorn Casters are going to cancel their accounts... 
Ok, OK! Sarcasm off. Thanks for the info Geko. This is a welcome change.
Lemme just add:
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
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SIX?! I should be so lucky. Want the screenie I took of me, trying to plow through 15? Painful.
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I was never as happy about having taken teleport as my main alt's travel power than when I first ran into a half-dozen earth thorn casters at once.
... Of course, later on I ran into several dozen Knives of Artemis at once, all of them dropping caltrops and I went from "deliriously happy with teleport" to "utterly ecstatic". I shudder to think how my /SR scrapper will have to deal with them, though - her travel power is jumping...
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Without getting into details, ALL CoT Thorn Casters have been reworked. The amount of control powers these minions have will be severely reduced or outright removed.
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*trying not to sound like a belligerent customer*
Control powers are a bit of a hot topic in the Tank forum at the moment. In general I think mobs should have MORE control powers. The only problem with Quicksand is that as an individual power it is totally over the top.
I hope you can find a suitable middle ground.
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Expect other related changes with all Thorn Casters.
This change will come in Expansion 5.
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Sounds cool! Can't wait 
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Aww, I enjoyed how cruel earth thorn casters were. Large groups of them on invincible gave me a good challenge on my Earth tank
They totally floor SR defense though, so I'm also quite pleased
THANK GOODNESS!! I have a hard enuff time with PC Lag, NM Quicksand slow-mo!
Great! Now when does defiance get explained?
Oh, and was Havoc Punch nerfed in PvE or not. After several PMs we still have conflicting answers!