My biggest complaint about the CoX channel is that it's cross-game. It's slightly more than mildly annoying to have a question, observation, or shared experience about CO which gets buried underneath 5 minutes of Star Trek Online chat.
I was finally able to create a character last night with a costume that I can actually admire. I'm not sure how much it'll run me in alterations as I putter with her outfit, but Foxfire the fairy cop on the edge is now alive and fluttering.
I'm also amazed that I want to stick with her after dying literally a dozen times through the bloody tutorial. Maybe it was playing a freeform hybrid, but fell off one cliff of difficulty going into the open mission and another at the final boss fight. Blocking doesn't feel quite as intuitive as dodging does in GW2, at least not just yet. And they really need to drop a powerhouse or a trainer in the tutorial somewhere.
Note to self: Add CoX channel.
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As much as I've disagreed with your opinions at times on the forums... by $Deity we're so similar in our attitudes about the great unwashed masses.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Hah! Coincidence or not?
 But seriously, I had the same problem a few times. Some level 28 ******* was spamming my level 8 self with repeated duel invites, then emoting, then duel-spamming me again. When I refused several times, he proceeded to repeat "duel me." I really wish people who make a fuss about me not wanting "consensual PvP in PvE zones in City of Heroes" could get duel-spammed every now and then, just so they know why I don't want it. I ended up putting the errant person on ignore, which stopped the invitations. I've gotten blind-invited a lot, blind-invited to Super Groups and even trade-spammed once. And I really don't get it. The Champions community on the forums and in the CoX channel is amazing and actually very positive, but the actual people I run across in-game? Dear Lord! I guess I should thank my lucky star City of Heroes was so heavily instanced that I didn't see other people as often. Also - thank you, Mission Architect, for killing crowds in Atlas Park. That helped avoid the stupid so much it's inspiring. |
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Trash attracts trash - CO has always been attractive to the dregs of the MMO world.
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Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
My brief tenure in Champion Online last night.
LOTS of people bashing CoH players now coming into their game. God help me if I said anything positive. The developers may be welcoming us, but their community is just as snub nosed as I remember. For fifteen minutes I heard a conversation go on and on about us being attached to a sinking ship and its what we deserve, etc. etc. Not just by one player either, there were a slew jumping on the band wagon. As its stands, after thirty minutes of being berated and being called "Welcome aboard, good luck finding a group flunkie" (that was the most kind thing said to me) I have decided to stick to my intial reaction where this game and its community are concerned. For the Record, I am not a whiner, fair weather gamer, or a drowning rat. Thank you CO community for treating me like crap just because I said, "Oh, the costume generator is diffrent than CoH. Thank you for..." And then the very person that helped me slammed me with a tirade of how sucky I was for coming over now. Thank you Cryptic Devs for the invitiation, it was cordial and well intended. Your community, however, has a lot to learn about being civil to others. True, we stuck to CoH, but that is no reason to treat us like garbage. |
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That game just seems so....cheesy. I just couldn't shake CO's "B-movie" feeling in both graphics and game play whenever I tried it, versus CoH's "blockbuster" feeling. It's kind of surprising that any of the people who originally created CoH could even be remotely responsible for that thing too. I always thought to myself that the "good" ones must have stayed behind and formed Paragon Studios. :P|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Trash attracts trash - CO has always been attractive to the dregs of the MMO world.
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And it was near-impossible to keep even the most basic team together; whenever you'd zone into or out of a building, let alone to another map area, there were always so many mirrors you'd all immediately be separated. There was practically no social aspect to it at all, except that once in a while if you were doing missions, a few people in the chat would start fighting.
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That's really unfortunate - I wish I could say I'm completely surprised, but I'm not, really. There is a community of good people in CO and they are the ones on the forums being supportive. But MC Zone Chat is infamous. Let me explain why. |
Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
It wasn't just global chat it was personal tells. They were spiteful and vindictive. On my first night, within an hour, I had fifteen people on ignore. No, sadly, that community has a lot to learn about being respectful. I didn't respond to any of it either. The nastiness just poured in. No, I have my problems with DCUO, but I doubt I'll receive this kind of animosity there. (Oh, I will thread it if I do, believe me.)
I need some time to cool down. If you could send me the channel info and how to get in it. Maybe when I get back online I'll give this another whirl. |
The main city instance - Millennium City is huge, and it is both the beginning area for new people (after the tutorial) and the central hub in terms of zone interaction. As well as the first, main powerhouse training area. It's really the equivalent of having Atlas Park, Steel Canyon and Kings Row all in the same zone. And because of the way the servers instance zones - no separate servers, just duplicate instances which people can talk across - it's also the equivalent of having all of our servers mashed into one when the population is up.
Because of all of that - MC Zone broadcast chat is like WoW's infamous "Barrens" chat.
I really recommend turning OFF zone chat when you are in Millennium City.
Talk locally, on global channels like CoX and SG channels, and team. Again DO NOT TURN ON OR BOTHER WITH ZONE CHAT IN MC. Just don't. It'll save your sanity and keep you from losing faith in humanity. Lazy griefers who make new accounts and toons for the sole purpose of being trolls rather than playing the game are going to be in the zone chat. Don't bother.
It is not really representative of the CO community at large. As the others have said - join the new CoX channel. Talk to global friends for advice etc.
You can turn on zone chat safely in the other zones like Canada and the Desert and Monster Island etc to ask for help though. Once you're out of "Griefer/Troll central" the actual serious players are MUCH friendlier in open chat.
Try my advice and some of the others and see how it goes with the mature players. And don't let the trolls get you down.
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Check your chat settings, you can turn off any STO channels in CO and vice versa. (I had to remember to do that.)|
Originally Posted by KnightOwl
My biggest complaint about the CoX channel is that it's cross-game. It's slightly more than mildly annoying to have a question, observation, or shared experience about CO which gets buried underneath 5 minutes of Star Trek Online chat.
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On the other hand, were they talking about STO in the CoX channel?
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A friend of mine had that problem this morning. I was surprised because Black Talon did NOT used to be that hard! At least not that I remembered! But then again - I haven't bothered with the tutorial myself in... almost a year? |
Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
I was finally able to create a character last night with a costume that I can actually admire. I'm not sure how much it'll run me in alterations as I putter with her outfit, but Foxfire the fairy cop on the edge is now alive and fluttering.
I'm also amazed that I want to stick with her after dying literally a dozen times through the bloody tutorial. Maybe it was playing a freeform hybrid, but fell off one cliff of difficulty going into the open mission and another at the final boss fight. Blocking doesn't feel quite as intuitive as dodging does in GW2, at least not just yet. And they really need to drop a powerhouse or a trainer in the tutorial somewhere. Note to self: Add CoX channel. |
If they've changed it so that Black Talon is that stupidly insane, then that's ANOTHER thing I'm angry with the Dev team for doing. That would mean that in at least 2 MAJOR ways, (the initially limited costume creator that opens up after you exit the tutorial the first time) and the (possibly?) toughened to the point of ridiculousness Black Talon fight, the developers of this game have made it so that the initial experience of people trying out the game (especially for free) is negative enough to send them packing.
That's not good business. It's okay for the Talon fight to SEEM dangerous without it really being so - and that's how it was as of about a year ago when I last did it. It was a cakewalk.
I'm sorry you were so frustrated. I'll offer the same idea I did for my friend this morning - if you have to - just hold the damn block in place and wait him out until you get an opening, do a little bit of damage, then go back into block. Whittle him down - his health doesn't regen. Eventually you'll take him down.
And then you'll never have to run the tutorial again if you don't want.
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Well, that's pretty accurate, actually - when Cryptic started work on the Marvel MMO, and cut the CoH dev team down to just 15, those 15 were the msot committed to the game, and they formed the core of the expanded team after NCSoft took full control - and it's their passion and dedication that's kept CoH at the top of the superhero pile, while the newer titles of CO and DCUO crashed and burned.
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Originally Posted by shadow35
That game just seems so....cheesy. I just couldn't shake CO's "B-movie" feeling in both graphics and game play whenever I tried it, versus CoH's "blockbuster" feeling. It's kind of surprising that any of the people who originally created CoH could even be remotely responsible for that thing too. I always thought to myself that the "good" ones must have stayed behind and formed Paragon Studios. :P
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GG c'mon. You're really not being fair. There is always a percentage of players in ANY game who are going to troll and make the rest look bad. We've certainly had ours before. I've seen this no matter what other MMO I played. It always happens. Don't judge an entire game population by the worst elements it attracts. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Trash attracts trash - CO has always been attractive to the dregs of the MMO world.
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I mean c'mon. Would you want the rest of the gaming world to judge us by Freedom Server? *
(* Freedom guys - that's a joke. Don't take it seriously. Freedom's worst day is better than the majority of the rest of the gaming world. At least outside of Atlas Park anyway.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Trash attracts trash - CO has always been attractive to the dregs of the MMO world.
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Seriously, though, we all know you have an irrational hatred of CO already, so if you feel the need to trash people who do like the game, please keep that nonsense to yourself. You're only acting exactly like the people you're trying to attack.
As for CO's zone chat, I always turn it off. I just keep the CoX channel up.
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This is a nice post. Yes CO is no City of, but it isn't awful. You can turn off the heavy black outlines in the Settings tab, so the characters look more like CoX. The animations are not that great, nothing like CoX. You can make some interesting combinations of powers with the Freeform approach. It's better than DCUO,: if CoX is a 10, CO is about a 7 and DCUO is about a 4.
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Point of order: You fill a role in CoH's community similar to that filled by the players Lady Grimrose encountered in CO.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Trash attracts trash - CO has always been attractive to the dregs of the MMO world.
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I took a Grimoire through the tutorial a few months ago and Black Talon was a tougher fight than I recalled. I suspect that Black Talon wasn't changed, however, and a part of the problem is the lack of any gear whatsoever dropping in the tutorial.
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Originally Posted by Atlantea
A friend of mine had that problem this morning. I was surprised because Black Talon did NOT used to be that hard! At least not that I remembered! But then again - I haven't bothered with the tutorial myself in... almost a year?
If they've changed it so that Black Talon is that stupidly insane, then that's ANOTHER thing I'm angry with the Dev team for doing. That would mean that in at least 2 MAJOR ways, (the initially limited costume creator that opens up after you exit the tutorial the first time) and the (possibly?) toughened to the point of ridiculousness Black Talon fight, the developers of this game have made it so that the initial experience of people trying out the game (especially for free) is negative enough to send them packing. |
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There are people who use the CoX channel while playing STO.|
Originally Posted by Atlantea
Check your chat settings, you can turn off any STO channels in CO and vice versa. (I had to remember to do that.)
On the other hand, were they talking about STO in the CoX channel? |
They don't really bother me although sometimes it gets a bit confusing.
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Honestly i've been trying out the current CO and it's not bad, but because i had an old Cryptic account it's been a PITA dealing with (im)Perfect World, so i'm currently unable to acquire a freeform character, and the very narrow selection of premades i've tried so far are uninspiring. i may grab a time card soon and see if i can get them to take that.|
Originally Posted by Stealth_Bomber
This is a nice post. Yes CO is no City of, but it isn't awful. You can turn off the heavy black outlines in the Settings tab, so the characters look more like CoX. The animations are not that great, nothing like CoX. You can make some interesting combinations of powers with the Freeform approach. It's better than DCUO,: if CoX is a 10, CO is about a 7 and DCUO is about a 4.
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The art style is more Cartoon Network than Silver Age, which i find somewhat unappealing, and the first thing i was turn off the cel shading which does improve things a little bit, but my only real quibble so far is that i haven't been able to find a setting to invert the mouse y axis. Call it a legacy of too many flight sims, but i cannot get used to the default setup and the settings in general seem to have a lack of options and granularity for everything except graphics unless i'm overlooking something. The gameplay is fairly easy overall except for the y axis setup and my ingrained reflexes clashing.
No issues with the community, but that's because i haven't been using the chat so far since i'm focused on getting used to the gameplay aspects, so other than getting a duel challenge in the tutorial i haven't had any real interaction with other players.
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I hate the common MMOG convention of having to visit a trainer to level up, and I'm so glad that I don't have to in this game. I can just click the flashing icon on my minimap and immediately level up.
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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
And they really need to drop a powerhouse or a trainer in the tutorial somewhere.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
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My thoughts on CO so far... I like the character creator and powers, made a perfect Batman free form toon with good close up melee and expolding granades, something unavailable in CoX. Game play is different, but just takes getting used to, my Dark Avenger toon was able to solo 5+ mobs at level 6, would have been toast in CoX. However the community I find is very lacking. The broadcasts are random chat noise, no 'level 6 group LFM' if fact been playing 2 weeks and have never seen anyone LFM. The teams i was invited to was just random invites where the leader said nothing then quit a few minutes later. I tried to join a chat channel, however no chat channels are listed, you have to know the name of it to join. I tied the word 'Paragon' and join some RPs from Liberty. This aspect of the game sucks but I am still trying to work the game as there are no other alternatives
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Yeah, I caught onto that after I had left the tutorial. >_>; At least now I know for my next alt.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I hate the common MMOG convention of having to visit a trainer to level up, and I'm so glad that I don't have to in this game. I can just click the flashing icon on my minimap and immediately level up.
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The most popular (with over 600 accounts now) CoH channel in Champs is the CoX channel (Case sensitive)|
Originally Posted by mammalian
I tried to join a chat channel, however no chat channels are listed, you have to know the name of it to join. I tied the word 'Paragon' and join some RPs from Liberty. This aspect of the game sucks but I am still trying to work the game as there are no other alternatives
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/channel_join CoX will get you in.
Powerhouse will be there if you aren't sure about field-training a power and want to get a free remove for it if you don't like it..
Well, after leveling up a /faceroll freeform Night Avenger into the low 30's and running 2 out of 3 buggy Adventure Packs (one of which bugged out after the last boss was defeated, didn't complete, and got a GM response of: "Best thing to do is drop the mission and do the entire thing over!"), I have to say my 'Reunited and it feels so...Meh' phase is coming to an end.
For some reason, I just lose interest once my toons get to Monster Island...even with my Cavewoman toon whose backstory meshes with that zone so well. As much as I like the addition of cutscreens and voiceovers to my hero experience, the horrible VO work and cheesiness of the dialogue and it's delivery is starting to wear on me and the lame GM response to my tickets so far is letting me know this will be a temporary visit. I honestly feel like I'm playing a 'Batman: The Brave And The Bold' version of CoH at this point. I will say that 'Whiteout' (the one that actually worked) was very well done.
Luckily I used some leftover Zen to buy a discounted Freeform Slot whenever they add another interesting powerset to try out. Until then, I'll have to decide on whether to give GW2 a try (despite not being happy at the thought of giving NCSoft any money at this point), hit up SWTOR again once it goes F2P, or buy Borderlands 2 and play with friends short-term.
Or insult their hometown sports teams?
'Cause...wow. That sure hasn't happened to anyone ELSE I've heard/read about.
Still, though, I'm sorry to hear you were treated so rudely...whatever the case.
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