NCsoft is NOT our enemy
I am not angry at NCSoft...I was in the beginning, but I can see why they did what they did.
I am very thankful to them for allowing CoH to even exist in the first place. I got 7+ years of entertainment out of CoH and made some friends along the way.
I even purchased GW2 on Saturday so I could stay in touch with some of my friends who are now playing that instead.
Am I sad that CoH may be shutting down..absolutely. I love CoH and have never found anything even remotely as enjoyable in an MMO. But I am not going to fault NCSoft for making a business decision; especially when I am not aware of the reasoning (nor would I probably understand it fully since I am not much of a business person...I mean hello I am a therapist.. I deal in feelings).
I am hopeful that CoH will continue in some way, but also fearful that any resurgence of the game will leave a cloud of doom over it...kinda like waiting for the other shoe to fall. Until something is definite I see no reason to dwell on the situation. Others (TonyV specifically) are doing what they can to help save the game and I applaud him for his efforts; especially in light of some of the comment sin this thread. People may not agree with his viewpoints on NCSoft, but damn people sure are negative and spiteful towards him...all while he does everything he can to save the game.
Best wishes to you TonyV....you are a hero to me.
Or they could not close or sell anything, cut costs first not all the jobs and any chance of bringing games back.
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I mentioned this to a friend and he pointed out that there's a pretty reasonable explanation, which is that large companies will sometimes:
1. Borrow a lot of money to buy a smaller company.
2. Transfer the debt to that smaller company.
3. Pay themselves large bonuses.
4. Somehow make it someone else's problem.
I didn't really follow the details. But apparently, one way to handle a thing like this would be to shuffle some logical paperwork debts to a subsidiary, then fold it because it's obviously not viable with all that debt.
I mentioned this to a friend and he pointed out that there's a pretty reasonable explanation, which is that large companies will sometimes:
1. Borrow a lot of money to buy a smaller company. 2. Transfer the debt to that smaller company. 3. Pay themselves large bonuses. 4. Somehow make it someone else's problem. I didn't really follow the details. But apparently, one way to handle a thing like this would be to shuffle some logical paperwork debts to a subsidiary, then fold it because it's obviously not viable with all that debt. |
I never trusted them. And to be fair, they never asked me to trust them.
But, and I know this will sound hollow, if I had stayed away from NCSoft, I would have never gotten to play City of Heroes. I would have never gotten to know the developers at Cryptic and Paragon Studios. The same shmucks that did this thing today were the gatekeepers to some wonderful things I wouldn't have traded away. Had I known in 2004 this was coming in 2012, I would have still gladly signed up and paid my money. |
But Paragon Studios itself is proof that a company like NCSoft can contain people worth knowing, worth working with, worth taking a chance on. |
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You're really cracking me up today, Arcana.
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My 2 cents:
I'm not going to boycott NCSoft. I won't tell people not to buy from them. I won't be adding to the flame posts hoping for them to get malignant tumors. There's no real point in it. At the end of the day, it's a business decision, and they're a business.
However, I do demand a level of service, and if I see it's not going to be there, I won't be doing business. The service being provided during this shuttering isn't one I find professional. Of course I'm not going to like being told the games gone, but that's not my sole reason for deciding not to do business with NCSoft anymore. It's the handling of the shuttering and the fact that I have unpaid time that I doubt I'll see a refund on.
If a company has any inkling that they can end a game as fast as they're ending this one, they shouldn't be selling 12-month subscriptions and telling me its a deal. They certainly better not offer me their equivalent of in-store credit. If I wanted to purchase their other games, I would have already done so. A refund is in order, and if I don't see one, then I've been burned on the deal. And if you're getting burned, it's not wise to put your hand back on the stove.
So I don't wish ill for NCSoft. I won't want business with them, but I don't hope they burn and crash. I don't hope they do well either. They're just a non-issue to me. I think Tony V has his heart in the right place with this thread. Let go of the hate, folks. It's not going to do much for you. If the game can't be saved, then try to make your last memories with it good ones.
Ok, my 2 cents turned more into a dollar. Sorry.
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Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
NCSoft is the lovely person we married who then cheated on us and finally left us, taking all our stuff with them. Good then does not equal good now, if you know what I mean.
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NCSoft is the person who, when we were about to default on our mortgage, swooped in, bought us a new house, got us a big screen TV, asked us to invite all our friends over, then locked us in and set it on fire.
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This has to be the dumbest thing i've read in this entire thread. No offence but being a number cruncher on an MMO doesn't translate to anything in the real world. I don't think a millionaire korean business owner is going to give two ***** what the person who invented 'arcanatime' on a stupid game has to say anyway. peace out *****
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Every time I have something to say thats slightly realistic and not as delusional as all of you I get called a 'troll' be serious with yourself. You guys have COMPLETELY lost it, NCSoft is a business they are never ever going to care about a 10k customer base when they have millions in other areas. They're not going to save this game themselves or do anything to help anyone else in doing that because it serves NO interest to their business. Get a grip, all of you.
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Also Arcana is a female, not a male.
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Every time I have something to say thats slightly realistic and not as delusional as all of you I get called a 'troll' be serious with yourself. You guys have COMPLETELY lost it, NCSoft is a business they are never ever going to care about a 10k customer base when they have millions in other areas. They're not going to save this game themselves or do anything to help anyone else in doing that because it serves NO interest to their business. Get a grip, all of you.
Just because someone says something you don't like doesn't instantly mean they are trolling, you just see it as trolling as its uncomfortable for you to face a lil bit of truth every once in a while. |
The problem is, it's not so much WHAT you're saying it, it's HOW you're saying it. A small modicum of real tact can take one a long way.
Just because someone says something you don't like doesn't instantly mean they are trolling...
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Especially when it appears you've made your forum account just in time to act like an *** hole.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
Keep trying to get under my skin, its endearing at best.
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But I'm not trying to get under your skin. You've taken a fairly extreme stance on an issue, and you respond preferentially to the more extreme replies to your statements. It's fairly obvious that you do care; if not about the issue at hand, then certainly about the act of provocation.
But I think you also care about the issue. Why is that, Unicorn?
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total kick to the gut
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Sounded like Nexon wanted big mmo IPs instead of destroying them but who knows what happens in their meetings...can't find specifics relating to CoX.
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By becoming NCsoft’s biggest shareholder, we believe the agreement opens the door to future commercial relationships, such as co-development of games and leveraging NCsoft’s IP in international territories. We are currently in active dialogue with NCsoft’s team regarding a variety of mutually beneficial opportunities.