I've been saying 2012 is just a time frame of change
And lots of change is going on
Aye... I take it all back now.
Tony, you're doing a great thing man. I respect ya greatly.
Fight The Power
Ah well, going to monitor the fan attempt through titan, i cant do much but will do what i can.
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I'm going to be honest. I don't know that I'd like for Blizzard to get ahold of it. They have a habbit this point of changing things to a radical degree in order to attract completely new customers. That might not sound so bad, but then you wake up four years later to something completely different then what you started with. Maybe that wouldn't happen with CoH, maybe some people will argue it already has. I just worry about where it'd end up. Still, I'd be grateful for the save.|
Originally Posted by Nemesis
COH under Blizzard would not necessary be a good thing. Blizzard has a habit of re-working classes and such at a whim. If they were to get it they would probably dissect the game and redo a new version altogether. Which means we probably wouldn't even see it for a couple of years.
I have to say, right now I am not a huge fan of NCSoft, however I cannot ignore what they have done. If it wasn't for them we would not have the game we are all talking about, they invested a crap-ton of money into Paragon Studios which allowed for them to almost double thier staff and resources, they practically made power customization a reality. Yes right now they suck IMO. However it doesn't automatically undo all the good they did in the past for the game. |
Also, I wouldn't take what Smedly said 100% to heart. He may very well be telling the truth, but I've got an inkling that that sort of thing wouldn't be public knowledge, and that they'd want to keep it that way. May be totally off base with my guess though.
"I have something to say! It's better to burn out then to fade away!"
While I'm not calling Smedley a liar, I've learned that in a lot of cases like these "no" really means "not right now". What he said in that message may have been true at the time he wrote it, but I bet after he hit "send" the thought crossed his mind as something to bring up at their next big meeting. And even if they (SOE) don't go for it, that doesn't mean no one else will, so until the servers go dark in November I'm still hopeful.
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There's some evidence that GW2 was pushed into releasing before it was ready to do so. It fits with a lot of the launch issues, the crush of stress-tests right up until the days before launch, and the rushed shuttering of PS. NCSoft may be suffering from a more severe issue than we're aware. That may make them more likely to seize any reasonable offer for the game. |
Originally Posted by Ashtur
That's the $1,000,000 question though. The last financial report was just as Blade and Soul hit in Korea (much less before GW2 hit here). How have they been doing at repaying the investment? Especially with B&S, I've not heard a peep.
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Originally Posted by MishiiLove
Two major gaming companies have placed ''testing'' bids.
^ NCSoft Representatives have not organized anything for this yet. Financial upstarts are monitoring spike increase. Domain stats are being looked at by NCSoft. *Some* proposals are going to be heard. As of now nothing is set in of stone. Keep eyes open for news! Love, Mishii <3 |
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Originally Posted by MishiiLove
You are well informed.
SOE was not the only company as other shareholders are also looking into this option or being a backer for a certain someone who trying hard to maintain CoH. Rumor say little birdies fly everywhere and hum in everyone's ears. <3 |
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Being cryptic is often a tactic employed by those who know nothing yet want to look like they do.|
Originally Posted by Feycat
about? Because Smedley says Sony did NOT make a bid. So how about you stop with the cryptic hints and come out and say if you actually know anything?
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I agree with Feycat. Stop pi$$ing people off with the cryptic horse poop. Either say what you know, or quit needlessly raising people's hopes.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Well, the OP did mention other companies... unfortunately since the SOE part turned out untrue, the other, suspiciously nameless, companies making bids may be bunk as well.
I see a few responses along the lines of "they wouldn't want to queer the deal by telling the truth" so I wanted to be clear. The reason I don't just paste the email verbatim is that I nrver received explicit permission.
However, the relevant quote would be "Never been discussed never going to be discussed."
That IS verbatim. There was no question of hedging. In fact, I exchanged a few emails wiyh Mister Smedley and he was surprisingly forthcoming about his own experiences having to shut down Matrix Online and EQOA. He also expressed his great respect for both City of Heroes and Paragon Studios.
Bottom line: SOE is not in the picture. At all.
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Bah. Oh well, thank you Slick.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
I see a few responses along the lines of "they wouldn't want to queer the deal by telling the truth" so I wanted to be clear. The reason I don't just paste the email verbatim is that I nrver received explicit permission.
However, the relevant quote would be "Never been discussed never going to be discussed." That IS verbatim. There was no question of hedging. In fact, I exchanged a few emails wiyh Mister Smedley and he was surprisingly forthcoming about his own experiences having to shut down Matrix Online and EQOA. He also expressed his great respect for both City of Heroes and Paragon Studios. Bottom line: SOE is not in the picture. At all. |
"I have something to say! It's better to burn out then to fade away!"
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Then why continue with the beta and not just shut it all down? o.O
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Originally Posted by CuppaManga
I did a lot of thinking about why NCSoft would just close down Paragon Studios without any warning. But if you really think about it, maybe there *was* a warning.
When Apple released Mountain Lion (OS X 10.8) in mid July, a warning was posted by Zwillinger to the Mac Users forum that the NCSoft Launcher crashes on some Macs running it. Since then, nobody has been able to contact NCSoft to get a fix for it. It's like the people working on the Launcher for Mac just vanished. As it turns out, they probably did. That clue leads me to believe that in the two months since then, NCSoft has been letting people go because it's so low on cash, it can't make payroll, and can't get a loan to fill the gap. When this past weekend came along, they made the sudden decision that to save the company (NCSoft) and be able to pays its workers, it had to take the money out of the pot feeding Paragon Studios and City of Heroes. Meaning they were all fired, and the game was to be shut down immediately. I can only speculate from that point, somewhat gratefully perhaps, that someone working at Paragon may have begged for leniency for us players, so we would be able to have a chance to say goodbye, and talked NCSoft into giving us 3 months. Some other semi-random thoughts I have about the contents of this thread, some good and some bad: - SOE making a bid for City of Heroes on a holiday weekend sounds more than a little suspiciously like a wishful thinking rumor. If it's real, however, the way it plays out could be interesting. - I would also prefer a smaller studio who would appreciate the smaller profits, or an independent Paragon Studios, but when the ship is sinking, you don't say no to any rescue. - SOE, if it is indeed making a bid, would not spend several million to bury the City of Heroes IP when it's as good as dead already. They could just let NCSoft kill it and bury it for free. - City of Heroes is more likely to be sold by NCSoft than any other title they killed, because it is not originally an NCSoft property, and they don't really want it. They bought it from Cryptic. That means there is no reason for them to try and protect the IP unless they already have a sequel in the works. |
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Sigh.
I was afraid of that. 8-(
I suppose there is a chance that Perfect World might consider picking COH up, but from what I hear it's not too likely as they already have CO. Plus side is you'd pick up a bunch of people who aren't going to play CO and don't have to pay to license your own engine. Downside would be having two fingers in the same pie for what I gather is a smallish publisher ...
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If nothing else, I'm impressed that he a) replied at all, and b) replied so quickly, over a holiday weekend. I've no history, good or bad, with SOE's games, but that's worthy of repect.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
I see a few responses along the lines of "they wouldn't want to queer the deal by telling the truth" so I wanted to be clear. The reason I don't just paste the email verbatim is that I nrver received explicit permission.
However, the relevant quote would be "Never been discussed never going to be discussed." That IS verbatim. There was no question of hedging. In fact, I exchanged a few emails wiyh Mister Smedley and he was surprisingly forthcoming about his own experiences having to shut down Matrix Online and EQOA. He also expressed his great respect for both City of Heroes and Paragon Studios. Bottom line: SOE is not in the picture. At all. |
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He put it up on his twitter page, it has been confirmed. They are not buying it.
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Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
If nothing else, I'm impressed that he a) replied at all, and b) replied so quickly, over a holiday weekend. I've no history, good or bad, with SOE's games, but that's worthy of repect.
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If PW bought it, the first thing they'd do is double all the market prices... At a minimum.
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
Sigh.
I was afraid of that. 8-( I suppose there is a chance that Perfect World might consider picking COH up, but from what I hear it's not too likely as they already have CO. Plus side is you'd pick up a bunch of people who aren't going to play CO and don't have to pay to license your own engine. Downside would be having two fingers in the same pie for what I gather is a smallish publisher ... |
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Talking about SWG reminds me of how EA ruined the very last Command and Coquer game....
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Please elaborate who else you think may be bidding, because SOE was confirmed not to.
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Originally Posted by MishiiLove
You are well informed.
SOE was not the only company as other shareholders are also looking into this option or being a backer for a certain someone who trying hard to maintain CoH. Rumor say little birdies fly everywhere and hum in everyone's ears. <3 |
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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PLEASE, I beg you, provide a hint of why we should believe this or ANYTHING more to suggest legitimacy or how you would know.|
Originally Posted by MishiiLove
Two major gaming companies have placed ''testing'' bids.
^ NCSoft Representatives have not organized anything for this yet. Financial upstarts are monitoring spike increase. Domain stats are being looked at by NCSoft. *Some* proposals are going to be heard. As of now nothing is set in of stone. Keep eyes open for news! Love, Mishii <3 |
I am desperately grasping at straws so I would like to believe.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's not going to come back and answer this. I'm also pretty sure the whole chinese-fortune-teller act is an attention-grab and she doesn't know anything :-/
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Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
Please elaborate who else you think may be bidding, because SOE was confirmed not to.
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Either that, or she is saying more than she should. Could she be working for NCSOFT or have contacts there?|
Originally Posted by Feycat
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's not going to come back and answer this. I'm also pretty sure the whole chinese-fortune-teller act is an attention-grab and she doesn't know anything :-/
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I don't know.
Lisa-Trying to be upbeat.
So don't wait for heroes, do it yourself
You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try
***Dennis DeYoung
General response: Although I loved the idea of an SOE buyout - or any other purchaser, to be honest; as others have mentioned, I would probably do business with the ghost of Saddam Hussein or the Zetas cartel [now there's some real villains for you...] in order to keep playing this game - although I loved that idea, I am not getting my hopes up on that issue until I hear something concrete.
My primary hope right now is that fans can get a fan-run server or servers going, with a mirror-image of the game up. I'd prefer not to have to reroll my alts, but I'll do what I gotta do. I'd love for the game to remain healthy development-wise, with a stable of developers working on it like they used to, but I cant shake the feeling that those days are over. So we may be stuck with the game "as-is" - and I would keep playing.
This whole mess is extremely stressful and I can't believe how attached I am to a bunch of pixels; the whole idea of my main "dying" never to be seen again is like the idea of having to shoot a beloved horse with a broken leg: a horrible thing that one simply is helpless to stop. NO
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Actually, she DID say that SOE was one of the companies putting in a bid. You can't handwave that. I don't care if she's your buddy, but coming in here and dropping crypic <3 comments and then vanishing IS detrimental. It's going to stop people from investing their efforts in trying to save the game, if people are doing **** like this. It's blatant false hope, and it's not fair to anyone. |
Originally Posted by Starsman
Being an a-hole wont help you get any more clear answers. What MishiiLove never said the two large companies she is aware off to be SoE.
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It's not being an a-hole to demand that someone give out truthful info or none at all.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
Also many forget: this weekend was PAX. Any interested party likely was there in the floor perfectly possitioned to do face to face discussions. Mishii may not even know who the large parties are, but have heard about them.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
As for the mistery "other shareholders are also looking into this option or being a backer for a certain someone who trying hard to maintain CoH" my guess is some producer from within Paragon Studios is looking for shareholders/investors to back him up in grabbing the game and team back together. I know if I was in their shoes, with contacts out there, I'd be attempting just that.
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Pardon? A-hole? Me? Please point out where I was being an a-hole. I'll wait... It'll probably take you a loooong time.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
Being an a-hole wont help you get any more clear answers.
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@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Any false information or other source of rumour that turns out to be untrue is only going to slow down the genuine efforts to save the game. For that reason, please - let's stop pondering on what anybody might have said to someone one time possibly about whether they may or may not be thinking about perhaps maybe one day picking the kids up from school or whatever.
FACTS, people. Concentrate on FACTS. If you have a rumour you think you can prove, check your sources and either prove or debunk it, then let us know. We can't work with anything else, indeed, concentrating on maybes will only slow us down.
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Just from my foggy memory, Mishii has worked in the industry before so she probably has some "wire info". Now, it's fair to exercise doubt about what anyone here says or does, but I'd definitely keep an ear (eye?) open in this case.
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Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
PLEASE, I beg you, provide a hint of why we should believe this or ANYTHING more to suggest legitimacy or how you would know.
I am desperately grasping at straws so I would like to believe. |
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Two major gaming companies have placed ''testing'' bids.
^ NCSoft Representatives have not organized anything for this yet.
Financial upstarts are monitoring spike increase.
Domain stats are being looked at by NCSoft.
*Some* proposals are going to be heard.
As of now nothing is set in of stone.
Keep eyes open for news!
Love,
Mishii
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