Savior spelled = SOE?
In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.
SOE maybe stepping in to save CoX?
SWG was my first MMO. I absolutely loved that game. I'd gone through several different skill masteries, I was working towards making my main a Jedi, I was part of a fantastic guild and had made some great friends. Then the NGE hit and for all I tried to keep playing, it just hurt too much. Our thriving player city turned into a ghost town over night (as did many others).
I played a few other MMOs after that, then I eventually settled on CoX and I have happily been here ever since, always coming back to it after a brief dabble with other MMOs. While DDO, LotRO, WoW, WAR et al had some great bits to them, nothing ever captured my imagination in the same way.
Honestly, even now, I still haven't forgiven SOE for the incredibly poor way they handled the NGE, but if they were the ones to save CoX, I'd at least give them another go.
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If the game can be saved, then I'm all for Sony, EA or whomever wants to take it over. Ideally, it'd be wonderful if they hired back the entire Paragon Studios staff as well.
Let's see what happens. I'm more than willing to commit if the game and staff get picked up.
Not to put a damper on this, but I mentioned this topic to my wife, and she brought up a very dismal possibility. SOE may want the CoH IP just to bury it, to ensure nobody else revives it as a competitor to DCUO. I hope that's not the case (seems like a drastic step for a game that's essentially dead anyway), but it's a possibility we might have to face.
But I'll just hope that the game survives as-is, just under a new publisher's wing (hopefully one that's relatively hands-off*), with the majority (if not the entirety) of the Paragon team intact, and the game relaunching with I24 (which would make the name Resurgence more appropriate than ever).
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*Yes, the publisher's wings should have no hands. I STINK AT METAPHORS, OKAY?
I'm remaining cautiously optimistic about something like this being the future of CoX as with the best will in the world trying to reverse engineer a private server or spamming MD's of favoured gaming houses is unlikely to come out well. Assuming NCSoft are open to offers this has to be the way forward that's best for everyone.
As for those of you worried about companies like SoE and EA picking up the reigns, it's not necessarily going to end badly. EA purchased Mythic Entertainment, the company behind Dark Age of Camelot and that game has enjoyed a bit of a resurgence and remains largely untouched by the big bad corporate monster.
I'm going to spend the next couple of months playing as if I'll never be able to play CoH again, but I will be closely following this rumour to see whether or not that's going to be necessary.
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Not to put a damper on this, but I mentioned this topic to my wife, and she brought up a very dismal possibility. SOE may want the CoH IP just to bury it, to ensure nobody else revives it as a competitor to DCUO. I hope that's not the case (seems like a drastic step for a game that's essentially dead anyway), but it's a possibility we might have to face.
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"So, you want to use capital, with no hope of return. Just to get rid of a competitor to one of our MMO's that isn't doing that well, and probably won't improve much with this other game gone.
We'd rather use that capital to improve our other games, with a proper ROI, or buy this game if what we can make off it is acceptable to our overall ROI goals.
Keep up the thought processes, though. Just not inline with our strategic goals."
Not to put a damper on this, but I mentioned this topic to my wife, and she brought up a very dismal possibility. SOE may want the CoH IP just to bury it, to ensure nobody else revives it as a competitor to DCUO. I hope that's not the case (seems like a drastic step for a game that's essentially dead anyway), but it's a possibility we might have to face.
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I was thinking that - we're into the last month of Q3 now - I think that it could be very hard for them to turn down a multi-million dollar boost in September.
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These two things make me think they want to show interested buyers what City Of Heroes is all about.
And as far as the Devs having to move to Texas, well, we are not the wild west as movies will tell you we are. We have trees
We also do not have a State Income Tax.
OMG I am hoping and praying that a company buys us and keeps the Devs...even if it is Disney.
Ariel with Water Blast FTW!
Belle as a Broadsword/Shield scrap..well ok, I can see Mulan better as Broadshield/Shield
Anyways, thanks to you all I have a flicker of Hope now.
Lisa.
So don't wait for heroes, do it yourself
You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try
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At this point, rumours are just that: rumours. I choose to be hopeful until the servers go dark or until we have some other form of concrete news. With it being Labour Day in the US, I doubt very much that we will hear anything concrete in either direction (assuming we ever do) until tomorrow.
Honestly, right now I think I'll take what I can get.
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At this point, rumours are just that: rumours. I choose to be hopeful until the servers go dark or until we have some other form of concrete news. With it being Labour Day in the US, I doubt very much that we will hear anything concrete in either direction (assuming we ever do) until tomorrow.
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I am hoping for a VERY special birthday present tomorrow.
I'd wage the Devs are already resigned to the fact they are moving on. Even if Sony or someone else buys the franchise, they are probably going to run it cheaper with fewer Devs just in order to save money after making the initial investment.
I could handle starting over again so long as the gameplay and options remained mostly the same. (It'd even give me the chance to reroll a few of my mains into something I might enjoy more!)
I have a lifetime subscription to their other super hero game. I love the graphics but I find character creation and gameplay limited.
Perhaps if they buy COH they will port some of the COH innovations into THAT game as well.
And honestly, for a company that could afford it, earning the loyalty of a fanbase like COH-- not huge, but VERY VERY loyal-- could be worth the trouble.
I guess the question would be if the people who want the game would be willing to make an offer that would bring in NcSoft more money than they could gain from a tax write off...
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I'm sure there are some companys out there that really want take City of Heroes over, even in germany where the game is not much present there was news about it and no one can understand what's happening there, but when NC-Soft really wanted to sell the game, then they don't fire the entire team so fast. They will tell that the game is closing on 30.Nov and then when nothing else happen they fire the team. Bounty Bay Online for example, published here from Gameforge wanted to close this game and now it's going on because Snail Games take it over. So when even such an small old title finds a buyer then I'm sure for City of Heroes is not only one offer on the table from NC-Soft, but did they really want to sell it? I hope for an happy end, but NC-Soft never selled any IPs so far. They just close them, ignore everything what happens after it and this is the reason why they are losing money right now because the costumers remember this. Why starting with Wildstar when you can't know that the game is still up after 3 years of playing and paying for this?
I'm also sure that Paragon Studios don't have to look long for an other job. They do a great work here and when a publisher can't have City of Heroes because NC-Soft wont sell it, so why don't take the team then and let them work on a new game? All in all I'm not so sure that this was the best idea to close the game in that way... time will tell...
As much as I want this to happen.. NCSoft doesn't sell its IPs, it shoots them in the head and dumps them on the side of a desert road, never to be seen again.
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IF this rumor is true, I really hope it's not SOE. If it is, I swear, I'll throw up a little in my mouth. Sony has screwed me so many times over the years that I've permanently sworn them off. IF SOE acquired the game, I think it would be a short-term reprieve at best, as I honestly think they are incapable of managing a game like City of Heroes or a studio like Paragon Studios without screwing it up--and screwing us players over in the process.
IF it is SOE, I honestly can't help but think that they would be buying the IP rights and/or assets for the sole purpose of ensuring that no one else gets it, so that they can be 100% sure that City of Heroes is permanently dead and can NEVER be competition for any of their other MMORPGs. I'm begging everyone here, please be careful what you wish for. We do not want this game in the hands of Sony. It pains me to say this, but I hope that NCsoft would just shutter the thing before selling to Sony, because if they shutter the thing, it doesn't preclude someone else getting it and opening it back up later. IF there is meat behind this rumor and there are other interested parties, I really hope that a smaller publisher/studio acquires the rights. I want a company that isn't a behemoth in the industry. Such a company wouldn't look at the income that Paragon Studios generates as small potatoes. Such a company would treat it with the value and worth that it deserves. To make an analogy, if you make $800 per month in income and someone gives you a $100 bill, that can actually be life-changing. At the very least, you will appreciate the hell out of it and remember that gift forever. If you make $8,000 per month in income and someone gives you a $100 bill, you'd probably say, "Yeah, thanks..." and forget about it in a few days. I want Paragon Studios and City of Heroes in the hands of a company that really appreciates it for what it's worth, someone who doesn't shut it down because it's not making enough money. |
SOE are not the ones who shut down SWG, that was LucasArts, who refused to renew their SW license because TOR was coming out. And they were not the ones who messed up Vanguard. Microsoft, the original publisher, dropped Vanguard pre-launch because the original developers had made a mess of it; it was SOE who rescued it, made some nice improvements and fixed it up. And even when it didn't perform as they'd hoped, they still kept it running on two servers and like I said, even now they are working on it again.
I have been playing Everquest 2 since launch day. I have been through three server mergers, many changes (most good, a few bad) and I have also played games from other publishers including EA, Blizzard and NSleazeSoft. Believe me, practically anything would be an improvement over NCSoft, and SOE is one of the better of the bunch as far as actually listening to their player base (although Trion with Rift is probably my top pick in this regard).
Try not to hammer SOE into the ground here, until you see what happens. I'd most certainly rather play SOE's CoH, professionally maintained, with the bulk of the Paragon Studios crew still in-tact, over any rag-tag, hacked, messy, private server version of CoH, I can tell you that. I hope you aren't partially angry at the thought of SOE sweeping in at the eleventh hour to save CoH and continue it (Issue 24 on the vow, cash shop powersets, extra goodies and all) because you've been trying so hard and expending so much energy in a kickstarter/private server uphill battle and now you don't want to see it all for naught, even though SOE would be a much better way all around.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, and my own daughter (who is going to be a computer science major in college) wants to help get CoH running again if that's what it takes. And I'm all for it-- IF that is absolutely the ONLY WAY that CoH will ever see the light of day again. I definitely would greatly prefer any and all serious, professional offers from longstanding MMO community publishers to be completely exhausted first, though, and to be quite frank, I'm sure Paragon Studios would as well!
The terrific thing about this forum has always been its honest, devoted community. I hope you understand that I am only being fully open and honest with you, TonyV, because I do respect all that you are trying to do.
... Yea, I'd take SOE over nothing.
At least they do server merges instead of just shutting the game down.
I'm really not a fan of SoE, but it's worth noting that several of the bigwigs who were in charge of the game during the launch and NGE of SWG actually went on to be lead designers at Bioware Austin, and are currently busy running SWTOR into the ground. So they won't be around to mess with CoH. :P
I'm just going to quietly hope that whoever buys the game, if anyone does, will recognize that Paragon had a good thing going in spite of the utterly nonsensical shutdown, and will let the devs continue business pretty much as usual.
I'm taking the Ben Franklin approach to this. Expect the worst, and be pleasantly surprised if it turns out differently.
"Home is where, when you have to go there, they have to let you in."
I understand (especially if you played SWG) how you would dislike them. But they obviously aren't adverse to small-community games because they are still running little guys like Pirates of the Burning Sea, and of course Vanguard, which not only had some patches and an extension to its team recently but was converted to F2P and "re-launched."
SOE are not the ones who shut down SWG, that was LucasArts, who refused to renew their SW license because TOR was coming out. And they were not the ones who messed up Vanguard. Microsoft, the original publisher, dropped Vanguard pre-launch because the original developers had made a mess of it; it was SOE who rescued it, made some nice improvements and fixed it up. And even when it didn't perform as they'd hoped, they still kept it running on two servers and like I said, even now they are working on it again. I have been playing Everquest 2 since launch day. I have been through three server mergers, many changes (most good, a few bad) and I have also played games from other publishers including EA, Blizzard and NSleazeSoft. Believe me, practically anything would be an improvement over NCSoft, and SOE is one of the better of the bunch as far as actually listening to their player base (although Trion with Rift is probably my top pick in this regard). Try not to hammer SOE into the ground here, until you see what happens. I'd most certainly rather play SOE's CoH, professionally maintained, with the bulk of the Paragon Studios crew still in-tact, over any rag-tag, hacked, messy, private server version of CoH, I can tell you that. I hope you aren't partially angry at the thought of SOE sweeping in at the eleventh hour to save CoH and continue it (Issue 24 on the vow, cash shop powersets, extra goodies and all) because you've been trying so hard and expending so much energy in a kickstarter/private server uphill battle and now you don't want to see it all for naught, even though SOE would be a much better way all around. I'm sorry to be so blunt, and my own daughter (who is going to be a computer science major in college) wants to help get CoH running again if that's what it takes. And I'm all for it-- IF that is absolutely the ONLY WAY that CoH will ever see the light of day again. I definitely would greatly prefer any and all serious, professional offers from longstanding MMO community publishers to be completely exhausted first, though, and to be quite frank, I'm sure Paragon Studios would as well! The terrific thing about this forum has always been its honest, devoted community. I hope you understand that I am only being fully open and honest with you, TonyV, because I do respect all that you are trying to do. |
SOE sticks by their games. A hell of a lot more than NCSoft, I'll tell you that.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
And the signs for wanting to sell are there...they left the forums open, and are keeping the servers up till end of November.
These two things make me think they want to show interested buyers what City Of Heroes is all about. And as far as the Devs having to move to Texas, well, we are not the wild west as movies will tell you we are. We have trees We also do not have a State Income Tax. OMG I am hoping and praying that a company buys us and keeps the Devs...even if it is Disney. Ariel with Water Blast FTW! Belle as a Broadsword/Shield scrap..well ok, I can see Mulan better as Broadshield/Shield Anyways, thanks to you all I have a flicker of Hope now. Lisa. |
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I'm sure there are some companys out there that really want take City of Heroes over
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I hope for an happy end, but NC-Soft never selled any IPs so far. They just close them, ignore everything what happens after it and this is the reason why they are losing money right now because the costumers remember this. |
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I refuse to get my hopes up until this rumour is officially confirmed.
Better once crushed, than twice.
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