Until we meet again!


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Are we still telling Sean Fish stories? I hope we're still telling Sean Fish stories, because here's mine:

Years ago, during the summer of 2008, the Tabula Rasa community had an event called the "AFS War College". They brought eight players from around the country in to meet the team and discuss ways to make the game a lot better. There was some desperation, since the game still had a lot of bugs (it was basically beta quality) because it was, at NCSoft's behest, launched about 1-2 years too early.

Redlynne and I ("Line" and "Lanster" in TR, respectively) were there because the event was in Austin and we lived there. I'll spare you the details of the rest of that Saturday, but while waiting for one meeting to get rolling, CuppaJo went and fetched Sean Fish and brought him by.

As soon as CuppaJo introduced him to Redlynne, Redlynne immediately (possibly reflexively) did the "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" routine from Wayne's World.

I didn't notice, because my back was turned to them and I was talking to another dev. So Cuppa got Red to Stop That, then tapped me on the shoulder. I turned around to see this guy with a big Nice Handsome Guy aura going (think Dirk Benedict as Starbuck). I say, "Hi. You are...?" and both Red and Cuppa say, "That's Sean Michael Fish." Upon which I reflexively started the "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" routine. The grin on Sean's face was huge.

I barely remember what we talked about. I think "Striga Island was awesome" and "TR needs a writer like you, badly," were a couple points of discussion. It lasted a few minutes until the meeting started and Sean had to get back to what he was supposed to be doing.

As we all know, Tabula Rasa went on to be cancelled around Thanksgiving (what is it with NCSoft and ruining long weekends?), and finally shut down on Feb. 28, 2009. But they got some dev support for the shutdown, and were able to make a big final event out of it. A lot of former devs even came in, unpaid, to run the NPC boss mobs one last time.

I have no idea what Sean Fish is doing these days, or if he's still in town. But at least I got to thank him for all the fun he wrote.

And to Positron and the rest of the devs: "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" I still have no idea what the "secret project" some of you transferred to is/was, or if it still exists. But wherever you go, let me know. Unless it's fantasy; I'm sick of that.

Just make sure that next time you control the server assets. That way you can spin off or something if the parent company decides they're done with you. No "great deal" is worth this kind of heartbreak.


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Redlynne and I ("Line" and "Lanster" in TR, respectively)
I remember you guys over at the PlanetTR forums!

The AFS Bootcamp idea is something that was a marvelous idea... shame that it was limited to just those in the US

PegasusMD also wrote up about it on my forums (sorry about lack of images, Peg somehow got them hosted on the RGTR website, and as that went, they went )


 

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OH SNAP!!! SOMEONE GOT SCHOOLED! (fricking fracking forums)
Oh hush, person who can't play the best blapper set without making the hospital their own personal base. My first fire controller didn't get past 32 until Issue seven.

True story: when I first saw this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtyDC_F1tVo (incidentally, still my favorite CoH video) when it was first released sometime maybe in July 2004, I thought the Imps that showed up at 1:52 were actually a weird critter ambush chasing someone.

Yes, in July of 2004 Arcanaville was completely retarded.


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Thank you for everything you've done for City of Heroes, Positron.


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As we all know, Tabula Rasa went on to be cancelled around Thanksgiving (what is it with NCSoft and ruining long weekends?), and finally shut down on Feb. 28, 2009.
And Auto Assault was canceled July 2. Of course, that one probably didn't spoil too many parties.


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And I want everyone to know, in my entire time posting on the forums, I have never, ever, put ANY player on Ignore (even though I have been sorely tempted). When I read a thread, I would read EVERY POST in it, everyone was entitled to their opinion, and I would be doing them a disservice if I didn't at least read their complaint (even if I didn't agree with it).
Crap.

He read my barely coherent raging.

Sorry about my carpet F-bombing in the announcement thread. It just.....REALLY.....pissed me off when I read it. And the filter came off.


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Best dev evar!!!!!


 

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Mr. Miller/Posi,

You, sir, are a class act.

You can not spell "PARAGON CITY ROCKS!" without P-O-S-I-T-R-O-N.

You're right. This isn't "goodbye".

You'll be back; and we'll be ready --- pencil, paper, and dice --- waiting for you.


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I remember you guys over at the PlanetTR forums!
And we remember you. ^_^ And, unlike PTR, your forums still exist, right? -_-;

I got in on TR about a month before the beta ended. Red and I joined CoH back in Nov. and Dec. 2004, respectively. Both were awesome rides. And in hindsight, we would have loved to work on the dev teams; every one of them we've met was awesome. But we managed to miss those chance meetings that Positron didn't. ^_^;

Though I was put off a bit at the CoX pummits. The programmers who were there behaved like caged animals, afraid to talk to anyone. Like there was some kind of caste system, or if they knew they would get fired if they said anything.

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The AFS Bootcamp idea is something that was a marvelous idea... shame that it was limited to just those in the US
They paid to fly everyone in (except us locals, of course); it would have been way too expensive, and they'd have to leave out anyone without a passport.

If only we had better technology, we could have teleconferenced you guys in.

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And Auto Assault was canceled July 2. Of course, that one probably didn't spoil too many parties.
Yeah, but the AA crew was commiserating with us TR folks for a while there.

We also noted that AA and TR were canceled right as Aion was being launched... and now CoX is canceled as Guild Wars 2 gets ready to launch. So maybe NCSoft has a relatively fixed amount of server assets, and has to kill off whatever's at the bottom of the list when something new launches to free up servers?


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And we remember you. ^_^ And, unlike PTR, your forums still exist, right? -_-;
Yep, they are still up in a fashion. Not heavily used at all right now, although people do still pop by every so often. It is something at least for some old TR players to link through.

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We also noted that AA and TR were canceled right as Aion was being launched... and now CoX is canceled as Guild Wars 2 gets ready to launch. So maybe NCSoft has a relatively fixed amount of server assets, and has to kill off whatever's at the bottom of the list when something new launches to free up servers?
That is an interesting line to take indeed... however with both AA being closed as TR launched, there was a 2 month gap between the closure and next launch. Same with TR and Aion (and that was a 7 monthish gap IIRC).
So whilst it is a nice theory, it holds less water with the TR closure and Aion. Because you are then sitting on servers that are not doing anything.


 

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That is an interesting line to take indeed... however with both AA being closed as TR launched, there was a 2 month gap between the closure and next launch. Same with TR and Aion (and that was a 7 monthish gap IIRC).
So whilst it is a nice theory, it holds less water with the TR closure and Aion. Because you are then sitting on servers that are not doing anything.
The servers would likely need upgrades to handle the new game, though. Maybe the limited resource isn't the servers themselves as much as power, cooling, and physical rack space, all of which need building alterations to support major increases.

Anyway, my main theory is that NCSoft hasn't spun off any of these games (as Champions Online and Star Trek Online did) because the games themselves are very dependent on some proprietary NCSoft server-level code or other infrastructure (of which NCLauncher would be the tip of the iceberg), which can't be spun off. Kind of sad, because they'd recover a lot more of their costs by selling off than by killing off.


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Positron,

I think you and the other Devs would have no problem finding a financier to help you guys branch off just like Cryptic did, while retaining the rights to CoH. Do it bro! Find a way! Hell, start a company to work on CoH2 maybe. The only SURE way to fail, is to not try!


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I have been trying and trying to remember who the other players were at the HeroCon 2008 D&D Charity Game, other than Bloodspeaker and me. And I still have my Sister Solaris character sheet!

Matt's premise was that we six were the Cimeroran versions of the Freedom Phalanx: Imperious (Statesman), Sister Solaris (Sister Psyche), Daedalus (Positron), Marathon (Synapse), Parthenon (Citadel), and Orion (Manticore). We'd been charged with finding the Golden Fleece to protect Cimerora... except that not only was it guarded by all manner of traps and monsters (including a hydra), but the Fifth Column was also looking for it as well.

I really wish we'd been able to podcast or livestream that game. Frequent lapses into obscenity and juvenile behaviour not withstanding, it was an absolute riot. Much soda, Doritos, kibbutzing from Sean Fish and Bruce Harlick, tactics that could only be described as innovative, insane, or both, and a lot of laughter.

Some great quotes I remember from that night:

Matt (to me, as the only woman there): "Um, you're not offended by swearing, are you?"
Me: "Oh, f*** no."
Matt: "Good, thought so."

John (as Orion, the Cimeroran Manticore): "I'm not following Imperious' orders. He just happens to be going where I'm going."
Sean Fish: "Yeah, you've definitely got Manticore's mindset right."

The group as a whole: "Marathon, scout the Fleece... Marathon, scout the Hydra... Marathon, scout the Fifth Column..."

(to the challenge of getting up out of a canyon)
Me (as Sister Solaris): "I cast Fly."
John (as Orion): "I climb."
Marathon's player: "I run up the wall and am waiting impatiently for everyone else."

(on being challenged by an NPC as to why we should be allowed to pass)
Imperious: "We're on a quest from the gods!"
Daedalus: "We're trying to save Cimerora!"
*pause*
Me as Solaris: "Because I'm hot!"
(everyone looks at me as Matt facepalms)

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(on being challenged by an NPC as to why we should be allowed to pass)
Imperious: "We're on a quest from the gods!"
Daedalus: "We're trying to save Cimerora!"
*pause*
Me as Solaris: "Because I'm hot!"
(everyone looks at me as Matt facepalms)

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Well this finally explains the little capes drawn on all the stick figures in the Mayan prophecies. Who knew it was always about Paragon City.

I joke, but this whole quick, sudden, seemingly unethical plug pulling......royally sucks.

On behalf of myself and my wife's account, you all will be greatly missed, as well as all of our characters. I truly hope there is still the chance for hope, and I will do whatever I can to help if need be. We are heroes, after all. Seems like it's one mission we just can't win, but that's never stopped me before. And I have the debt to prove it.

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I have been trying and trying to remember who the other players were at the HeroCon 2008 D&D Charity Game, other than Bloodspeaker and me. And I still have my Sister Solaris character sheet!
I was there, and it was, indeed, a blast. If I'm not misremembering, I was playing Daedalus. I'm pretty sure I still have the character sheet. I feel for Matt for having to deal with all of us, though.

Then there was this year's M&G, where I got to play D&D as a Space Stallion, where we inadvertently duplicated the antics of the developers who playtested the module.

(if you've not seen Space Stallions; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Otaq2tmNMM )

It's been all too much fun over the years - but we'll always have the fond memories - and who knows, if the start align perfectly maybe it can be saved in some form. Having that happen would make my year, that's certain.


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The king of game developers. The camelot of development teams.

You sir were and are a class act.

I may not have agreed with everything you, and Jack before you did, but I appreciate the effort you put into it.

And I'm impressed you never put ANYONE on ignore!

Good Luck to you all where ever you are headed.


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Adding my two cents - Matt, you and the crew here have continued to amaze me over the past 6 or so years by your consideration for the playerbase. It's criminally rare in this business. I'm gonna miss this place, and all of you.

Oh, and Tyrrano says you taste pretty good with ketchup, but he had to go see Mako's dentist to get the plating out of his teeth. Like eating popcorn...

Open Skies, brother. *waves*


 

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I wanted to drop a line and say thank you as well. Thanks to you, and to all the Dev team. You guys created and ran a game that as far as I'm concerned, will go down, at least in my personal history books, as the greatest game ever.

But know that I haven't given up on you, or Paragon City, just yet. And neither have a bunch of other people. It's been nearly a decade, and I don't know if you still want to keep working on City of Heroes or not. If you do, you deserve the opportunity. You guys built a world that we call home. If not, you still deserve to have a continuing legacy.

We are Heroes. This is what we do.


 

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Thank You, just thank you ...


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I know that next time I hear a game studio rep say "We've got Matt Miller with us working on our new project, it's-" I will interrupt them with a loud "Cease your prattle, sir, and accept my financial contribution to your business!". I suspect I'm not the only one.
You're not.

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Thank you again, Posi. I will certainly be missing this game.


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Thank you everyone there at Paragon for creating the best game ever with all your love and hard work. How come the game has to end now after we've just been getting the best new content ever? Everything about the Dark Astoria revamp and Night Ward really are amazing.


 

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You're not.

Eco
This, I will stalk the devs to whereever any of them end up, I will buy at least one copy of the game (or points, whatever) even if I can't stand the game, and I will go into their game's forum and announce that I'll give the game a try because they hired an amazing person.


 

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Thank you Positron for allowing me to be a villain when no other game allowed it as City Of Villains did.

But I will say this, even though I've fought with the heroes for years, I will now stand by their side in trying to keep this game alive with every ounce of "SMASH" I have.


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