Evil_Legacy, this has been an epic thread.
Many people have upset you whilst trying (in some cases quite hard) to help, but I want to make a brief comment.
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I want to put it on record that I have no respect for your behaviour on this thread whatsoever.|
Let me try this again: Rangle did not disrespect you. Hyperstrike did not disrespect you. Neither Rylas nor Sailboat were disrespectful either. |
(I know this isn't helpful, but this thread made me log on the the forums to post for the first time in ages.)
�How do I like my MMOs? I like them the way Paragon Studios used to make them.� - a fitting tribute from kiasa.org
EU, Union mostly.
Honestly, I think it's time this thread died. We're not going to get anywhere, anyways, so it might be time for all sides to pack it in and move on.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Honestly, I think it's time this thread died. We're not going to get anywhere, anyways, so it might be time for all sides to pack it in and move on.
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BBQ!!!
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
Mmmm, BBQ. I'm hungry now.
�How do I like my MMOs? I like them the way Paragon Studios used to make them.� - a fitting tribute from kiasa.org
EU, Union mostly.
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We could discuss...
>.> <.< BBQ!!! |
I like a good BBQ. Even though I prefer mine not heavily laden with sauce or messy. I like it with just enough sauce to give it flavor.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard.  Never change, E_L! |
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Well if the people here was acting like they are here in person, I wouldnt mace them or resort to violence because of arguement. The way they come off, they'd make me fear for my life as hostile if some of these people's actions was translated into person to person contact with the creepish behavior of stalking and harassing that some here also displayed. It's like someone random trying to "help" with the groceries and you dont know this person at all and when you say "I got it. I dont need help" or "Please dont grab the bag like that, you're going to break the eggs." And they get beligerent ranting about how they was trying to help and you're being over sensative and etc, while still trying to grab the bags, yea I'd mace them. Not because the task at hand but because them being a stranger, not knowing their intentions, and they are acting like that, they come off as dangerous. And even more crazy if the next time you see them they want a thanks or act dejected when you dont ask for their help. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Even though I do have military background, I think resorting to violence is the ultimate form of confessing "I just lost this argument so bad I'm just going to hit you because I can't think of anything to counter what you just said". I pity those who have to go that far. I am also a firm believer in that no physical threat should ever stop you from voicing your opinion on a matter. Believe it or not, I act online just as I do in RL, I don't find any sense in keeping up two versions of me. And no, I'm not some bulky marine, but actually a slightly smaller than average sized guy. |
I think things are easier to make clear in real life here. Unlike real life, online, there are not any physical social ques, no face expressions, tone of voice. Here, it's just words on the screen.
Well I'm not exactly sure if I'm keeping up two versions of me as usually in person, people are a lot more reasonable and in real life, I rarely come across the personalities in real life that is displayed here. The few that I have, it's about the same reaction but a lot simpler process to get the problem solved.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Evil Legacy,
I haven't read other peoples posts cos like well half are on my ignore or whatever. 
But you will find as you might of already found, that some people basically come at you saying the same things as somebody else already has or there are people running to the defense of somebody else (like they need it).
It's all just +1 posts. You don't have to reply to each and everyone.
It would of been easier to paragraph the wall of text than to tank the forum or even easier to ignore off topic remarks about your post and of just waited for something more on topic to reply to.
It's a gaming forum. How much time does anything not intrinsically about the game deserve?
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Evil Legacy,
I haven't read other peoples posts cos like well half are on my ignore or whatever. But you will find as you might of already found, that some people basically come at you saying the same things as somebody else already has or there are people running to the defense of somebody else (like they need it). It's all just +1 posts. You don't have to reply to each and everyone. It would of been easier to paragraph the wall of text than to tank the forum or even easier to ignore off topic remarks about your post and of just waited for something more on topic to reply to. It's a gaming forum. How much time does anything not intrinsically about the game deserve? |
And i bet, even if I did "correct" the post they would of just found something else. Just like other threads of mine and others that are formatted to the way they mentioned here but still went haywire so I think the formatting grammar spelling was just used as a convenient excuse for this one. If it wasnt for that, it would've been for something else.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Wow, what an exciting thread. There are a few things I would like to correct! I'll begin with a discussion on criticism and I'll finish up with a discussion on communication!
Main Entry: constructive criticism
Part of Speech: n
Definition: criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions
As for the discussion on criticism:
"Good" Criticism usually contains most, if not all, of these characteristics:
brief and succinct,
relevant and to the point,
clear and precise,
well-researched,
sincerely and appropriately motivated,
positively intended,
and well communicated.
Techniques of constructive criticism aim to improve the behavior or the behavioral results of a person, while consciously avoiding personal attacks and blaming. This kind of criticism is carefully framed in language acceptable to the target person, often acknowledging that the critics themselves could be wrong. Insulting language and hostile language are avoided, and phrases are used like like "I feel..." and "It's my understanding that..." and so on. Constructive critics try to stand in the shoes of the person being criticized, and consider what things would look like from their perspective.
The second post of this thread, by Rangle, was textbook constructive criticism.
Now let's discuss proper communication techniques.
Communication contains four parts. The sender, the receiver, the message, and the acknowledgement of the message. Every single one of those pieces need to be present for communication to take place. If a single piece loses the message, communication did not occur.
Most of the time, communication fails at the message and/or the acknowledgement. Since we're on the forums, I'll assume the message will take the form of written communication.
"Good" written communication usually contains most, if not all, of these characteristics: Correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation,
expresses ideas so the reader can easily understand,
organizes thoughts and ideas in a logical manner,
adjusts the style, format, and content of the communication based on the reader's abilities,
and presents data accurately to support conclusions and recommendations.
I'll close with a short statement about why this is important. As we delve further into the digital age, a large majority of our communication occurs digitally... transmitted energy, interpreted with Boolean logic and represented by a string of 1's and 0's, which is then translated by a medium to give us our information. As a population, we are spending less and less time conversing vocally and routinely rely on text as our medium. A single misspelled word, incorrect usage of a word, poorly chosen format, or faulty grammar can cause a failure in communication. This failure can lead to a cascade of other failures that can effectively prevent communication from ever occurring. That's why I think it's important.
Cheers,
Beau
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Why is this entire thing not deleted yet?
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Outside of the defensive ramblings of someone who refused to engage in accepting positive, constructive feedback; the total lack of reception on one end made it some what humorous for a bit. Though all together frustrating at the same time, I laughed at times, and almost wanted to rip my hair out at other points...|
Originally Posted by Tormentoso
Why is this entire thing not deleted yet?
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This should stand for posterity...solely so others can see what miscommunication or unreceptive posters can bring to the equation.
Not quite as good as a rant about dupin' rares and gold...but this is close.
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Originally Posted by planet_J
Outside of the defensive ramblings of someone who refused to engage in accepting positive, constructive feedback; the total lack of reception on one end made it some what humorous for a bit. Though all together frustrating at the same time, I laughed at times, and almost wanted to rip my hair out at other points...
This should stand for posterity...solely so others can see what miscommunication or unreceptive posters can bring to the equation. Not quite as good as a rant about dupin' rares and gold...but this is close. |
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What the heck are you even trying to say here? I don't think you spelled a single word correctly that you meant to, except for "to". This is the kind of thing we're talking about.
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Originally Posted by Hesh
Bus inerdastin to rads aboot canadins sperence wif Hadrcore style amOR! plez extendzz man thakyies to legACY o' Aeivil! Nots be bismerchin'!
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Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
Hesh is making a joke.
...Perhaps so are you, but I can't see the funny part in your post, so, I'll be the guy who didn't get it.
Is it sad or good that I can almost read that post prefectly
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Wow, fun thread.
It was kind of like a train wreck, I couldn't look away until I read the whole thing...
...and now I can never have those 10 minutes of my life back 
****Disclaimer 1****
This post is meant to be funny, I am in no way trying to offend anyone, I make no assumptions about what you may find funny, but made myself laugh a bit when I though up this response, since it is an internet forum, and the cultural norm allows me to post things regardless of their usefulness, humor, general good taste, or relationship to BBQ's, I felt it would be acceptable to waste 2 more minutes of my time in regards to this thread. I hope this post helps at least one person get through the entirety of this thread without feeling they wasted 10 minutes. However, since this is a forum on a Super hero game, that is probably viewed by the majority of the population as a waste of time, that is acceptable.
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I feel disclaimers ignore the general rules of punctuation, spelling, and grammar. If you feel differently please feel free to correct this Disclaimer and re-post it, I'm running short on time. ..
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If you found any of the above disclaimers or post inappropriate or offensive in any way please fell free to ignore them in their entirety, (or if you like, to borrow a phrase from earlier) Kick Rocks.
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Have a nice day!
Motivation is the art of getting people to do what you want them to do because they want to do it.
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I didnt feel like he was trying to stand in my shoes or perspective. It looks like just a routine "hey you made some grammatical mistake" statement. And like I said even though he now made his intentions clear, the aim originally was not clear to me at all. How do you convey aim, intentions and stuff properly in text format anyways? In real life, just body language alone can sometimes make judging intentions a lot easier to read. There is no body language online. Communication is two ways. If one party dont get it then it's not well communicated. Just as he didnt get my post, it was not well communicated to him, is how I didnt get his post as it was not well communicated to me. |
Originally Posted by Beau_Hica
Techniques of constructive criticism aim to improve the behavior or the behavioral results of a person, while consciously avoiding personal attacks and blaming. This kind of criticism is carefully framed in language acceptable to the target person, often acknowledging that the critics themselves could be wrong. Insulting language and hostile language are avoided, and phrases are used like like "I feel..." and "It's my understanding that..." and so on. Constructive critics try to stand in the shoes of the person being criticized, and consider what things would look like from their perspective. |
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Originally Posted by Beau_Hica
The second post of this thread, by Rangle, was textbook constructive criticism.
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Not really. This wikipedia explains the different types of critisism pretty well. The main difference between negative critisism and constructive critism is that constructive critisism is that negative critisism is the purpose of showing that it is wrong, false, mistaken, nonsensical, objectionable, or disreputable. Which Rangle did in text book fashion, albet not in rant form, and little different syntax but in the end it's text book negative criticism. What many people confuse is constructive criticism with negative criticism and negative criticism with destructive criticism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieti...tive_criticism
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Originally Posted by Beau_Hica
As a population, we are spending less and less time conversing vocally and routinely rely on text as our medium. A single misspelled word, incorrect usage of a word, poorly chosen format, or faulty grammar can cause a failure in communication. This failure can lead to a cascade of other failures that can effectively prevent communication from ever occurring. That's why I think it's important.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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She/he is not a generally accepted term in writing. It is an example of butchering the English language to accommodate politically correct dross.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
s/he. While not used in a actual speaking sense it is generally accepted neutral term in writing.
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Also, the assumption, in English, of male gender in relation to a person when his or her gender is unknown, is not a quirk as was suggested earlier by another poster. It is a long existing standard.
Language relies on the use of standards, in both presentation and definition, to facilitate communication and understanding. Those standards include presenting writing of any length to be in paragraphs, so they can easily read and absorbed by the reader.
No amount of ranting and internet hostility from some random ill-mannered frenzied female forum poster is going to change these standards and the general expectation that they will be followed.
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Who ever said these standards are should change? Not to mention you are very very late on the subject. It was a question that has been answered many times now. |
Originally Posted by -Urchin-
She/he is not a generally accepted term in writing. It is an example of butchering the English language to accommodate politically correct dross.
Also, the assumption, in English, of male gender in relation to a person when his or her gender is unknown, is not a quirk as was suggested earlier by another poster. It is a long existing standard. Language relies on the use of standards, in both presentation and definition, to facilitate communication and understanding. Those standards include presenting writing of any length to be in paragraphs, so they can easily read and absorbed by the reader. No amount of ranting and internet hostility from some random ill-mannered frenzied female forum poster is going to change these standards and the general expectation that they will be followed. |
It is obvious you are hungry but I have no food for you today. Have a good one. Maybe someone else will feed you but not me.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Note to self: Pointing out standard rules in English grammar is now considered trolling.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Who ever said these standards are should change? Not to mention you are very very late on the subject. It was a question that has been answered many times now.
It is obvious you are hungry but I have no food for you today. Have a good one. Maybe someone else will feed you but not me. |
Is there a wooden stake to put into the heart of this thread?
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Nope, but if that person would of left out the last sentence, it would not be obvious that he or maybe she is trying to get a rise out of someone. Thus it is trolling. Not to mention that if it is by term paper writing, then he or she would know that two different spacing formats are not accepted either. Single spaced within paragraphs and then double space between paragraphs is not term paper standards last time I checked. Some professors require the use of double space and other will throw the paper in the trash if it is not single spaced. They also tend to use indentions. While giving a lecture on term paper standards while not even writing in term paper standards is another thing that makes it obvious that the point of that post is merely to troll. |
Originally Posted by Rylas
Note to self: Pointing out standard rules in English grammar is now considered trolling.
Is there a wooden stake to put into the heart of this thread? |
Guess no one is willing to shut down this thread and just letting it roll on for now.
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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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I am assuming she has a one troll per bridge rule, and she has already peed on this one.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Note to self: Pointing out standard rules in English grammar is now considered trolling.
Is there a wooden stake to put into the heart of this thread? |
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First: I don't see any mention in the post about term paper writing. I see a mention of using a certain term in writing.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Nope, but if that person would of left out the last sentence, it would not be obvious that he or maybe she is trying to get a rise out of someone. Thus it is trolling. Not to mention that if it is by term paper writing, then he or she would know that two different spacing formats are not accepted either. Single spaced within paragraphs and then double space between paragraphs is not term paper standards last time I checked. Some professors require the use of double space and other will throw the paper in the trash if it is not single spaced. They also tend to use indentions. While giving a lecture on term paper standards while not even writing in term paper standards is another thing that makes it obvious that the point of that post is merely to troll.
Guess no one is willing to shut down this thread and just letting it roll on for now. |
Second: Just because someone else claims 1+1 equals 3, it doesn't make your claim of 1+1 equalling 123 one bit less wrong.
Third: Just let it go. Someone tried to get a reaction from you and they got it, this will never end if you always go for the last word.
EDIT: On single spacing, double spacing and indentations: single spacing within paragraphs and double spacing between them is interchangeable with single or double spacing it all and using indentations between paragraphs, AFAIK. The formatting and presentation on these forums just make it much more clear if you just double space between paragraphs. I seriously doubt any* post on these forums is a term paper for a professor, so I don't see any sense in invoking a professor's ruleset here.
*A few of Arcanaville's might be, though.
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From the looks of it it wont never end regardless and it's not about the last word either.
And no there was no reaction, no emotions, none of that, just mere observation of how says this about standards and stuff but turn around and dont write exactly to those standards they try to force on others.
In writing terms, what I said still stands.
Look, if proper writing grammar is going to be pressed on others than they too at least write in the proper manner by the book themselves. If formatting it the issue then they to should write in proper English writing formatting which singel space for paragraphs and double between in one document is not proper English formatting. Easier to read, yes, maybe, but not proper. Now decision needs to be made on is this about ease of read or formatting? Is it about improper grammar and improper formatting or just my improper grammar and formatting? Thus far, it's coming off as just about my grammar and formatting and I'm sure as mentioned earlier if you go into a store and they charge everyone one price and then when it's your turn they charge you higher price you wouldnt not be happy camper and probably would wonder why. Exact same concept here.
Why is my improper grammar and or formatting or anything else they can find is such a big deal yet, hundreds of mistakes in many other posts are ignored? And when I do point it out, it's rude and frowned upon but yet, it's ok for it to be done to me? There is obvious double standard here and the expectation of me just to shirk off to a corner without inquiring why is a mistaken assumption especially when I can bet here if they was in my shoes would have major issues with it, as it was displayed when I did point out their mistakes.
But I dont think another thread will happen like this again, at least, not by accident as now every thread I make has a disclaimer that in short points out exactly my mindset, what I'm looking for, what I know, and what I'm not looking for. The new threads as they are created will continue to have one for now. This is a way to decrease and or nullify any mistakes of intentions.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Sometimes it can be as simple as ordering people to do something they haven't been trained for yet, having them do something with insufficient equipment, or even ordering something that outright cannot be accomplished. For example, ordering four people to separate into three pairs. I know I'm not infallible, and I do let lower-ranking people correct me because it also lends to a mutual trust based relationship: I know they are up to the task if they spot my mistakes, and they know I'm not some self-righteous idiot who will do things his way even if it is stupid just because it was my idea and I'm of higher rank. It can be a slippery slope, but so far this has worked very well.
If, on the other hand, it was random people outside the rank based hierarchy what do you think I should do? My authority as an officer compels no civilians outside a war, so the only thing I can do is to evaluate my own propositions and see if they are presented unclearly or if they don't even make any sense.
There is a saying I really like for this occasion: "a man is only worth his words, and when he runs out of them, he runs out of his worth". Very badly translated, and please don't get fixated on it being gender specific
P.S. I edited this so many times it is likely to contain sentences that don't work...
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Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
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Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein