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My exact point so why is my mistakes such a big deal then? Why point them out but not others? I mean hell, since it's a buisness in strict grammatical correctness and no mispellings and proper format, then it is either to the English standard or not. If it is no point in invoking the professor's rule set, then there was no point at all even in mentioning my grammar/mispellings/format. Either go by the rules or not. Not invoke them just to invoke them on a select few and expect them to follow the rules to the strict sense while turning the other way when other's flaunt them same rules|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Second: Just because someone else claims 1+1 equals 3, it doesn't make your claim of 1+1 equalling 123 one bit less wrong. EDIT: On single spacing, double spacing and indentations: single spacing within paragraphs and double spacing between them is interchangeable with single or double spacing it all and using indentations between paragraphs, AFAIK. The formatting and presentation on these forums just make it much more clear if you just double space between paragraphs. I seriously doubt any* post on these forums is a term paper for a professor, so I don't see any sense in invoking a professor's ruleset here. . |
And yea I get ya Second point but it doesnt mean they are right and always right thereafter.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
It's not double standards, it really is pretty much this order of magnitude: you claim 1+1 equals 100, person X claims 1+1 equals 2.00000001. To most people, your error is huge while person X's error is meaningless. Sure, you can point out that person X made the same number of errors (one in this example), but their error doesn't have much of an impact in any outcome compared to yours.
Sorry to be so blunt about this. EDIT: I'd like you to think about the following: do the errors in the posts of other people jump at you and actually hinder your ability to read it, or are you intentionally looking for them? The difference between those two is huge. |
And how is my errors making such an impact on anything? Sounds like my errors is being blown way ut of proportion while others are being downsized. An error is an error. It either exist or it dont. And when different errors do exist there should be a set written down rules for this and this threshold and not made up on the fly as it iseems to be now. If such set of written down rules for this forum exists, please kindly point me to that thread as I missed it upon entering.
To me, that post and many like it was not hard to read. So by who standard are we talking about? And who standard should we use? Apparently there should be one if these rules are to be followed.
But your question in your edit section is the same one I'm asking about my post. Are people just intentionally looking or is it actually hindering their ability? As especially in regards to standards, and which one to follow, it was easy to read for me.
and my errors was sure as hell not 1+1=100 compared to their errors being just 2.00000001. That is just a prime example of blowing up my errors and downsizing others. On any math problem test, the end result would be the same. Both are wrong either way. And the person that get it wrong is a little hypocrite in their behavior if they turn to the person that even guess that 1+1 equals one hundred and say "Hey, you are dumb! You got it wrong!" and make a big deal about it when they got it wrong also, regardless of how much or less, it's either wrong or it's right.
Either there is a standard or there is none. So by the logic you presented, either I'm wrong as hell with my formatting and thus there should be a mass correction of the many threads that also have errors or people make mistakes no big deal. Not I made mistake and it's big deal and other people make same type of mistake and it's no big deal. That is text book double standard.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
You missed the point of what I said, sorry if I wasn't clear. What I wanted to say was that you don't need to have your text 100% correct by an arbitrarily chosen ruleset (there are as many rulesets as there are communities using the language), but it needs to be readable. If your audience says they are having a hard time connecting with your text, you need to do something about that.
There is a reason words are spelled the way they are, and that is so that other people could also understand them. To really make this gap between the author and the audience apparent to you: would you understand me if I started posting in Finnish, Swedish or French? Basically just switching to a different ruleset of language. Nope, and that is why I'm taking the effort to try to make myself clear in English.
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Yes, but the magnitude of the error could make all the difference in the world. Let me really blow this out of proportion so as not to leave anything unclear: I misspell a word / a pilot crashes a full passenger plane into a mountain. There might just be difference in magnitude between those two errors, am I right?
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Easiest set of rules is something I'd call the obligation to the audience. Simply put: the author is responsible of formatting his or her thoughts into a text that the audience can easily understand.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
To me, that post and many like it was not hard to read. So by who standard are we talking about? And who standard should we use? Apparently there should be one if these rules are to be followed.
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But your question in your edit section is the same one I'm asking about my post. Are people just intentionally looking or is it actually hindering their ability? As especially in regards to standards, and which one to follow, it was easy to read for me. and my errors was sure as hell not 1+1=100 compared to their errors being just 2.00000001. That is just a prime example of blowing up my errors and downsizing others. |
It doesn't really bother me if one out of every ten words is slightly misspelled, but when I'm faced with something that is basically a stream of consciousness, it will be hard to follow that because it isn't my consciousness put on screen.
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[QUOTE=DSorrow;4358870]You missed the point of what I said, sorry if I wasn't clear. What I wanted to say was that you don't need to have your text 100% correct by an arbitrarily chosen ruleset (there are as many rulesets as there are communities using the language), but it needs to be readable. If your audience says they are having a hard time connecting with your text, you need to do something about that.
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True and if you did type in those languages and I couldnt understand it, I wouldnt make a big deal about it. I would assume that the message was not for me. AKA, I was not the intended audience instead of saying that you must change your post to my standard so I can read it. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
There is a reason words are spelled the way they are, and that is so that other people could also understand them. To really make this gap between the author and the audience apparent to you: would you understand me if I started posting in Finnish, Swedish or French? Basically just switching to a different ruleset of language. Nope, and that is why I'm taking the effort to try to make myself clear in English.
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Yes, but the magnitude of the error could make all the difference in the world. Let me really blow this out of proportion so as not to leave anything unclear: I misspell a word / a pilot crashes a full passenger plane into a mountain. There might just be difference in magnitude between those two errors, am I right?
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
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I never made a big deal about it. I'm just wondering why you are making such a big deal about people asking you to clarify your post. Even I make mistakes, but I can admit that and do my best to fix it if people point them out to me.|
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I wouldnt make a big deal about it.
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She/he is not a generally accepted term in writing. It is an example of butchering the English language to accommodate politically correct dross.
Also, the assumption, in English, of male gender in relation to a person when his or her gender is unknown, is not a quirk as was suggested earlier by another poster. It is a long existing standard. Language relies on the use of standards, in both presentation and definition, to facilitate communication and understanding. Those standards include presenting writing of any length to be in paragraphs, so they can easily read and absorbed by the reader. No amount of ranting and internet hostility from some random ill-mannered frenzied female forum poster is going to change these standards and the general expectation that they will be followed. |
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As mentioned before, maybe my text is formatted for my intended audience and the ones that cant read it maybe they wasnt included into that group?|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Easiest set of rules is something I'd call the obligation to the audience. Simply put: the author is responsible of formatting his or her thoughts into a text that the audience can easily understand.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
Which one is more likely when a dozen people tell they are having a hard time understanding you, a conspiracy against you or the fact that maybe your posts genuinely are difficult to read?
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EDIT: This isn't a math test. In any actual (you know, like real life) situation outside of rocket physics the difference between 2.00000001 and 2 is insignificant. The difference between 2.00000001 and 100, however, isn't. |
And there was others, judging by their response although seemingly overlooked by others, that seemed to be able to read it and reply based on the subject. Funny no one once mentioned them and it was was more than one person.
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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
As mentioned before, maybe my text is formatted for my intended audience and the ones that cant read it maybe they wasnt included into that group?
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| why are they not posting corrections on posts that are formatted the same as mine and or contain more mistakes? |
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| ok this isnt a math test but still dont explain at all how is it my mistake all of a sudden is on 100 side of the house while other mistakes is only insignificant. That is where the problem lies. If others are insignificant, then why isnt mine if it's the same type of mistake? |
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Never said you in particular was making a big deal about it and no I'm not intentionally misunderstanding you.|
Originally Posted by DSorrow
I never made a big deal about it. I'm just wondering why you are making such a big deal about people asking you to clarify your post. Even I make mistakes, but I can admit that and do my best to fix it if people point them out to me.
I'm no longer sure if you're intentionally misunderstanding me or not. Let me make this really blunt: your post was really hard to read while the other posts you pointed out weren't. They might all have contained mistakes, but for some reason your post was much harder to read. |
And if the post was that much harder to read then maybe they was not the audience I was targeting at all then. Then maybe my post was readable and maybe the post was formatted for the audience but just not them just like maybe a Chinese speaker that may not understand English may not get what we are talking about here at all but that doesnt mean that it's unreadable because they cannot understand it.
Point being, if it's that hard to read there is better ways to put it than the way that most people put it. The few that have corrected other posts, I've seen them put it in much nicer ways. Yet, they come here with attitude that I'm here to cater to them and yet they have no obligation to show any bit of the slightest respect but I'm suppose to show them the utmost. I dont think it is suppose to work like that and I do not work like that.
In the end either point out the mistakes but do it evenly and fairly or not at all. If people single me out like I'm the sole person on the entire forum that make mistakes, then of course I'm going to have a problem with it, especially if they make and or made mistakes too.
There are other posts about electric armor and willpower and if this post was not suited for their level of reading then they could have silently just moved on to one that is formatted for their taste instead of making a big deal about it. But they did not do that and instead made a big deal about it and I in turn made a big deal about them making a big deal about it, being hypocritical in their accessment, and tryign to enforce a standard on me that that is not enforced elsewhere renderign their standard moot, especially when most of them dont even follow their own standard that they are trying to press on me.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
I think this discussion needs to come to an end. I do think if anyone wants to they might as well take it to a PM. I can't imagine the rest of the population of forumites sitting around reading this now, eating popcorn.
If ya can't talk about Tanks in the tanking section then atleast do something in a place that's proper.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I think this discussion needs to come to an end. I do think if anyone wants to they might as well take it to a PM. I can't imagine the rest of the population of forumites sitting around reading this now, eating popcorn.
If ya can't talk about Tanks in the tanking section then atleast do something in a place that's proper. |
You're right. I give up.
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Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
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Yep that's why every thread after this one contins a disclaimer to clearify that and more. At the same time it's bad call to assume that they are the intended audience. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Posting it on a public forum available to people outside your intended audience was a bad call then. You can't blame it on anyone, because you made your text available to people that weren't included in the "intended audience".
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In my opinion, people were more than polite when they asked you to clarify, until you pretty much slapped them across the face and told them to deal with what they were given. How could they have been any more polite?
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
I don't see the relevance. If I posted something in French, there would likely be people that could understand me, but pointing that out does not help the part of the audience that doesn't speak French. I haven't read every text that was ever published, but usually it is a convention that the author and not the audience, who translates the author's thoughts into a coherent text.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Nope, but if that person would of left out the last sentence, it would not be obvious that he or maybe she is trying to get a rise out of someone. Thus it is trolling.
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"Trolling is defined as deliberately posting derogatory or inflammatory comments/threads in order to provoke other users into negatively responding. Trolling or accusing someone of being a troll is also a form of trolling and is not permitted."
Just sayin'....
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By the way, per the Forum Guidelines:
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Yet, you seemed to conviently missed when I was called a troll in this very thread and did not respond to that person.
Just what I was talking about. People quick to point out flaws of mine and bring up rules but look other way when someone does the exact same.
Oh right, I forgot the rules only apply to me, not anyone else. Thanks for pointing that out.
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I just looked at Evil_Legacy's post history and she's surprisingly coherent and well-spoken in every thread but this one. Troll detected.
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But I guess somehow his/her post is just a minor thing not worth pointing out but mine is the most grieveous crime up there with murdering 300 people by a slow death using torture devices and sending their pieces to their family members by mail with a note taunting how they screamed and begged for mercy as I gouged out their eyes after showing them pieces of themselves.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
I'm with Evil on this. It's her post, it's her choice as to how she presents it and it's your choice on whether or not you read it. If you don't like how it's done, then skip on by and read something else. Just like somebody else doesn't pay your 15 dollars to tell you how to play your character, you can't tell her how to post her posts.
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Indeed. This is so far off topic to the Tank forum it astonishes me it hasn't be mod locked for allowing quibbling and arguing to continue.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
I think this discussion needs to come to an end. I do think if anyone wants to they might as well take it to a PM. I can't imagine the rest of the population of forumites sitting around reading this now, eating popcorn.
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Indeed. This is so far off topic to the Tank forum it astonishes me it hasn't be mod locked for allowing quibbling and arguing to continue.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
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I saw your disclaimer in this thread, it's anything but short. If you put half the effort into proofreading your posts as you put into making that disclaimer, the disclaimer wouldn't be necessary.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
But I dont think another thread will happen like this again, at least, not by accident as now every thread I make has a disclaimer that in short points out exactly my mindset, what I'm looking for, what I know, and what I'm not looking for.
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These type of comments have been done to death that anymore is just a +1 post. Not worth getting a reply too now.
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I saw your disclaimer in this thread, it's anything but short. If you put half the effort into proofreading your posts as you put into making that disclaimer, the disclaimer wouldn't be necessary.
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I never said the disclaimer was short. What I trying to say is that the "disclaimer says in short...". AKA, in that post a brief description of what the disclaimer covers.
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I saw your disclaimer in this thread, it's anything but short. If you put half the effort into proofreading your posts as you put into making that disclaimer, the disclaimer wouldn't be necessary.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Hi guys,
While I understand the desire to help make posts more effective on the part of readers, I would like to ask you all to focus on the topic at hand. If you don't have something constructive to add to the conversation (or worse, if you have only non-constructive things to say), consider not posting.
Ideally, these forums (particularly the Archetypes & Powers forums) are for specific conversations about builds. Other discussions are frequently better suited to the City Life or Comic & Hero/Villain Culture.
Thank you all for continuing to make the City of Heroes Freedom Forums a pleasant environment for all.
~Mod13
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I know I'm necroposting here, but honestly, you spent eleven pages arguing about grammar? When the game closes, you're going to wish you had spent that time playing instead of arguing.
P.S. Electric Armor wins.
It's not double standards, it really is pretty much this order of magnitude: you claim 1+1 equals 100, person X claims 1+1 equals 2.00000001. To most people, your error is huge while person X's error is meaningless. Sure, you can point out that person X made the same number of errors (one in this example), but their error doesn't have much of an impact in any outcome compared to yours.
Sorry to be so blunt about this.
EDIT: I'd like you to think about the following: do the errors in the posts of other people jump at you and actually hinder your ability to read it, or are you intentionally looking for them? The difference between those two is huge.
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
My Katana/Inv Guide
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein