Electric armor vs WP

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

Electric armor compared to WP tank.

Out the box the WP had the upper hand. It has a max HP buff that comes in handy and in early levels the secondary WP version of stamina becomes available meaning that end is non-issue by level 12. The Electric armor comes out the box with good energy resistance and solid resistance to smash and lethal. In early level, and even in later levels it dont have as much hp and end can be an issue until power sink becomes available at about level 26, a bit after SOs become available. Although in early levels, the electric armor is no slouch since many enemies hero side do lot of energy and or toxic damage. The WP have very little resistance to energy but the hp and regen makes up for it especially later levels.
Mid levels (15-25), electic armor starts closing the gap a bit once SOs cant be slotted making most power sets not seem like a endurance drain. Of course, learning the hard way at first, it's best to not run the damage aura of electric armor too much before power sink, and it's not that useful much prior to that anyways unless it's coupled with electic melee to help with the endurance drain. Lightning field does a little damage and does a little end draining but wont completely drain the end of the mobs anytime soon and by the time it manage to make a dent, the mob is dead anyways. But by this tie electric armor do have a fairly quick recharging heal that helps. I remember the days prior to this and this power helped the set alot. By these levels the electric armor is resistant to most damage and end draining effects but these levels are a little void of enemies that drain end anyways as this comes into play in the later level. The WP by this time has the aura of increasing the regeneration rate, which is very helpful and helps it to survive just about anything here. It is also a taunt aura ( smaller, and can be weaker than other taunt type auras) but who needs taunt aura when I'm solo? lol. It's for the regen for the win here. After level 26, the electric armor's end problems is solved so now it can attack and attack with worry about endurance. When it gets low, pop power sink, and keep going until it recharges again. Another good thing about power sink is that this does effectively drain the endurance of the mob. Not even the mob can attack with no endurance in their bar. WP gets resurgance at 26, a power that I took once, never used and respec out of. It didnt help me much. But this did leave spot open to take another power in it's place and in the place of heightened senses. Usually the WP had tough slotted and used before the electric armor got a chance to use it depending on the secodnary, the electric armor might get it about the same time due to skippage of power choices and or when it's a level where no new power that is needed opens, such as taunt. Who needs taunt when I'm solo. lol. Level 32 the tier 9 power opens. "Gremlin mode" as I call it on the electric armor, called power surge and the strength of will on the WP. The WP gets to skip this power the electric armor usually end up with the power surge power for kicks even though there are very few times when this power is needed and mostly for the special effects. But I did have to mind that crash and watch the icon.
By level 50 they are both about equally strong and equally can take damage from about anything out there that can or rather try to dish it out, whether it's dark powered mobs (CoT and the vampires of the Council), Smash/Lethal (Freaks, and just about anything), Psi (carnies, never shy away from carnie mish wit heither of them) Energy (freaks, crey, incarnate mobs), fire (CoT, Elite Paragon Protectors(crey)), cold (Arcanius, crey, some CoT) it dont matter who (everyone else), they can and have took it and survived no problem. But the WP dont have a built in heal nor is resistance to end drain (sappers) but most of them can be done easy with even with no toggles and popping a quick blue while reclicking the toggles for more threatening mobs of malta. The electric armor just laughs at them before smashing their faces in. There is no glaring downside to either one and both are just as good without having to worry about facign a particular type of mob like on the Invul when it's (oh crap here we go, map full of carnies and bunch of Master Illusionists.).
This is all with only SOs. With IOs, the WP can reach over 3000 hp very cheaply and easily without spending billions. The Electric armor can also gain a good bit of hp with IOs that make it even tougher for mobs to take it down and recharge can help on the electric armor for making the Energize power come up even faster, faster than it it needed as electric armor also comes with Quick reflexes which helps recharge. On the WP the musc. alpha is usually chosen. The electric armor gets either the same or the rechage increase alpha, for more attacking fun and end draining.
In all it's an overall tie but they do it in diffrent ways. Electric armor is resistance and end drain with a heal while the WP get good HP, regeneration of said hp, and resistance and neither one needs a single IO to be good and if IOs is chosen they dont need a billion or two to be even more powerful. This is not the set to naturally get the debt badges as I have to basically have to kill myself to get debt.

Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down

C'est la vie.

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

La vie.

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

Electric armor compared to WP tank.

In the early levels, WP has the upper hand: It has a max HP buff that comes in handy and in early levels the secondary WP version of stamina becomes available meaning that end is a non-issue by level 12.

Electric armor starts out strong with good energy resistance and solid resistance to smashing and lethal. While leveling, it doesn't have as much hp as Willpower and end can be an issue until power sink becomes available at level 26, a bit after SOs become available. Electric armor is no slouch in early levels, however, since many enemies hero side do lot of energy and/or toxic damage.

Willpower has very little resistance to energy but the hp and regen makes up for it, especially later levels.


In the middle levels (15-25), Electric Armor starts closing the gap a bit once SOs can be slotted to help with endurance use.

Of course, as I learned the hard way at first, it's best to not run the damage aura of electric armor too much before getting power sink. The damage aura is not that useful before then anyway, unless it's coupled with electic melee to help drain endurance. Lightning field does a little damage and does a little end draining but won't completely drain the end of the mobs anytime soon, and by the time it manage to make a dent in enemies' endurance, the mob is dead anyways.

But around this time electric armor does have a fairly quick-recharging heal that helps. I remember the days before Energize, and it's addition helped the set a lot. In these levels, electric armor is resistant to most damage, as well as end draining effects. However, these levels are a little devoid of enemies that drain endurance, although as this comes into play in the later levels.

By this time, Willpower has Rise to the Challenge, which is very helpful and helps it to survive just about anything here. RttC is also a taunt aura (though it is smaller, and weaker than other taunt auras) but who needs a taunt aura when solo? lol. It's the regen for the win here.


After level 26, electric armor's end problems are solved, so now it can attack and attack without worrying about endurance. When it gets low, pop power sink, and keep going until it recharges again. Another good thing about power sink is that this does effectively drain the endurance of the enemy. The enemy can't attack without endurance!

WP gets resurgence at 26; a power that I took once, never used, and respecced out of. It didnt help me much. But, this did leave spot open to take another power in it's place, and in its place I took Heightened Senses.

Usually Willpower has tough slotted and in use before electric armor gets a chance to use it, depending on the secondary. Electric armor might get it about the same time if certain powers are skipped, or when it's a level where a new power that is not needed opens, such as taunt. Who needs taunt when solo? lol.


At level 32, the tier 9 powers open. Power Surge, or, "Gremlin mode," as I call it on Electric Armor, and Strength of Will on Willpower.

Willpower gets to skip this power, while electric armor usually ends up with Power Surge for kicks even though there are very few times when this power is needed. It's mostly for the special effects. When I used it, I did have to mind that crash and watch the icon.


By level 50, they are both about equally strong and equally can take damage from about anything out there that can, or rather, try to dish it out. Whether it's dark powered mobs (CoT and the vampires of the Council), Smash/Lethal (Freaks, and just about anything), Psi (Carnies, never shy away from Carnie mission with either of them), Energy (freaks, crey, incarnate mobs), fire (CoT, Crey), cold (Arcanius, crey, some CoT), it doesn't matter; they can, and have, take it and survive, no problem.

WP doesn't have a built-in heal, or resistance to end drain (sappers), but most of them can easily be done, even without toggles by popping a quick blue while reclicking the toggles for more threatening mobs of malta. Meanwhile, electric armor just laughs at them before smashing their faces in.

There is no glaring downside to either one and both are just as good without having to worry about facing a particular type of mob, like on Invulnerability when it's, "oh crap, here we go, map full of carnies and a bunch of Master Illusionists."


This is all with only SOs.

With IOs, Willpower can reach over 3000 hp very cheaply and easily.

Electric armor can also gain a good bit of hp with IOs which make it even tougher for mobs to take it down. Global recharge can also help on electric armor, making Energize come up even faster, faster than it is needed as electric armor also comes with Quick reflexes which helps recharge.

On WP, I usually choose the musculature alpha. Electric armor either gets the same or the spiritual alpha, for more attacking fun and end draining.


In summary, survivability is about equal overall, but each set gets there in different ways.

Electric armor focuses on resistance and end drain with a heal, while WP gets good HP, great regeneration of said hp, and some resistance. Neither one needs a single IO to be good and if IOs are chosen they don't need a billion or two to become incredibly powerful.

These are not sets to naturally get the debt badges, and I have to basically have to kill myself to get debt!

Originally Posted by AllYourBase

Let's see if we get more responses this time.

Originally Posted by AllYourBase

Bored, so I decided to take a crack at this. Edited for format, spelling, punctuation, grammar, word flow, and anything else I decided was wrong with it. Content left mostly intact.



Let's see if we get more responses this time.

Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down

I was trying to be helpful to the OP with my first response. See where that got me.

I do think it's telling that the OP has spent more time and effort getting into peoples faces, or telling them to buzz off, then it would have taken them to edit the original post. C'est la vie.

Originally Posted by Surging_Starfall

+0/1 is kinda sad for a tanker. +

Originally Posted by Impish Kat

Why?

Considering the OPs attitude:



If they can't be bothered to care about their presentation, why should anyone be bothered to care about responding?

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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down

I was trying to be helpful to the OP with my first response. See where that got me.

I do think it's telling that the OP has spent more time and effort getting into peoples faces, or telling them to buzz off, then it would have taken them to edit the original post. C'est la vie.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

You are posting on an internet discussion forum, which is to say, you are inviting discussion. You don't get to nit pick what kinds of discussion comes up.

If you don't like it, you can stop posting.

Originally Posted by AllYourBase

Bored, so I decided to take a crack at this. Edited for format, spelling, punctuation, grammar, word flow, and anything else I decided was wrong with it. Content left mostly intact.



Let's see if we get more responses this time.

Originally Posted by Come Undone

Ah, turns out my text block was irrelevant then, thought he wanted other's opinions on which was better so I went through some of the pro's and con's, as well as some recommended melee pairings.

Putting off heightened senses so long seems odd, and toxic is actually a hole for /elec (except for when using power surge) but other than that can't really disagree with the content, but then again mostly opinion anyway.
Guess I can see why he didn't care if anyone responded.

Originally Posted by SinisterDirge

On SO's, and running at +0/1(going by what she runs on her scrappers here. I could be talking out my ***.) the sets are really well balanced and have similar survivability, while going about it in different ways.

I repeat, the devs got it right.

In other news, at that level, any of my tankers can do that without my shields even toggled on except mez shield. Even then, I am pretty sure my hp can take what the mobs give out till I can combine the inspirations into a break free.

In other other news, the sun is hot.

Originally Posted by Rylas

Well, considering we have to make sense of what you're saying, those particular things there are a must.

The readability of a post relies on the poster. Not the reader. Granted, you can't anticipate people with poor reading comprehension or the blind (since you can't make braille), but you have to do the work to make sure your material is user friendly.

Now, if you weren't hoping to have any discussion at all, what's the point of posting it in the first place? If you're posting to inform, then presentation is everything. Because if your presentation chases readers away, then you didn't inform.

Originally Posted by Impish Kat

Why?

Considering the OPs attitude:



If they can't be bothered to care about their presentation, why should anyone be bothered to care about responding?

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Originally Posted by AllYourBase

Consider it an experiment. No obligation to respond just because I cleaned up the presentation a bit. OP clearly has more problems than grammar.

Originally Posted by Hopeling

When your message is difficult to read, this limits your ability to convey your message, regardless of what the message is. And when you post something in a public discussion forum, it is generally assumed that you want other people to read and understand what you said. This isn't "your message isn't up to my standards" elitism, people are trying to help YOU convey the message you posted. As you can see from the almost total absence of discussion of the actual topic, this has indeed severely limited your ability to get your message across.
I have little doubt that your post was totally coherent in your head, but if pressing enter a few times to make the first post less headache-inducing is unreasonable to ask of you, attempting to extract meaning from it is definitely unreasonable to ask of me.

Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy

If it aint elitism then maybe they shouldnt use it as an opening line or the only line. Because when it's worded and or posted like that it comes off as very elite and nazi grammar like coming in bogart like talking about grammar and spelling.

Originally Posted by Hopeling

No one forced you to come here and read his reply.

Either read it or move on.

Why is your posting style and method of presentation unassailable, but everyone else is fair game?

Originally Posted by Hopeling

No one forced you to come here and read his reply.

Either read it or move on.

Why is your posting style and method of presentation unassailable, but everyone else is fair game?

Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down

Well, if nothing else, she's throwing a great temper tantrum.

Oh, wait? Was that elitist?

Damn...