Electric armor vs WP

I'd call it helpful. Someone comes along and notices you're doing something in a way that won't have the effect you might want and points out what you could do to improve your results: that's called helping.

Didn't he specifically say it was edited? It's not a blatant lie at that point. Or are you just looking to be offended. In which case, posting anything on the internet is not for you.

Never claimed to be perfect. In fact, if you read my original reply I mentioned that I have to chase after my own bad spelling. I'll never catch them all, even though I try. I have plenty of issues with my own grammar, which is why I was trying to be helpful. You were presenting something that wasn't easy to read.

Should someone find spelling or punctuation errors and point them out to me, I'd fix them. Plenty of people have done so in the past. I always cringe when I find them on my own. I've also gone back and added addition posts in attempts to clarify my ideas better. What I've written doesn't always translate from my thoughts to the page.

If you find issues, or lack of clarity with any of the thing I've posted, please let me know. Maybe with your diligence I'll fix them all.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

It isn't. I see no reason to turn this into a confrontation at all. I happen to agree with Rangle, but that doesn't make him unassailable, nor does it make it OK to attack you.
Here is the beef: your first post is painful to read. Literally, physically painful. I used the phrase "headache-inducing" for a reason. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask that you press Enter a few times to avoid causing me physical pain. You are not obligated to do so, of course, just as I am not obligated to read your thread, but it is not impolite to ask.

You have the privilege to post whatever you want, within the forum rules. I'm not saying you can't, and neither is anyone else in the thread, as far as I can see. We are asking you to please go edit your post and press enter a few times to make the thing more readable and less painful. This isn't a right/wrong thing - you can refuse to change your post all you like. But that will severely limit the discussion you'll actually get (which is a shame, because a "powerset vs powerset" pros-and-cons discussion can be interesting, and is usually filled with good information for newer players that happen across it), as you can see by the way it's derailed this thread.

I'm not following you from thread to thread. Nor, I expect, is anyone else. The forums are just a relatively small community, and you'll tend to see the same names in threads all over the place.

Maybe the intent was noble but the method was uncalled for. I can help a lady across the street but I'm sure if I drag her by her feet, although she will get across the street, she sure as hell wont get up and be like thanks. She probably either curse me out and or sue me. Same concept. It's not about the helping part it's about the method of going about it. Plus it's not that serious to have to point out everytime a mispell happens. I doubt anyone on this forum hasnt made a spelling mistake or there is no posts here that does not contain spelling mistakes. Yet, I dont see that Rangling person for example posting on all of their posts talking about spelling and grammar and such. In most cases I dont see much of anythign of the likes from anyone. But nooooo, I made a spelling mistake he makes sure to go out of the way to point it out. And I'm suppose to take that as symbol of help?

I dont like something being quoted of mine that is not my exact words. Meaning by definition he could add anything to it. But yea you have point he did specifically say he edited it.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Well, I see what you saying. Although I havent seen anyone ask anything or anything with a question mark. It came off as more like snooty snide remarks. If they would of formed the question in the first place maybe it would of went easier. Guess it was miscommunication. Wish people would be more polite about it instead of coming off as jerks. Because when that happens, of course I'ma go on defense mode. You attack I'll attack. If I say went to your thread with nothing about the content of the thread and said that "You must be an idiot or the likes" then some people would go on the defensive too. Maybethey do maybe they dont I dont know just guessing but what I do know is that I do. I dont like being attacked, even by grammar nazis especially and then it dont help when they try to turn it around and say "Oh that's what I get for helping." If they would of approached the subject much better then they gte better reaction. If they come in kicking doors in I'ma reply with a kick.

I know you aint following me. But I can name more than a few that is and post the same type of post each time over and over regardless of the information questions, or even lack of questions.

But really if they are going to correct me, they should have history of correcting people not just choosing me and lack of history of mistakes of their own before becoming a critic of someone else work. Like I may have mentioned before, I hardly see anyone one else posting about someone else spelling or pointing it out but they sure have no problem when it comes to me huh.


I think a simple question in actual asking form would of deaden this whole situation but no questions just statements and demands critics on format. As you and others said presentation is everything. They didnt come in here with the presentation of being helpful at all.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

it's not my style to be a grammar/spelling nazi because I dont like it being done to me so I aint going to do it to someone else for the hell of it. I just expect the same respect. I dont do it to them so dont do it to me. Or at least do it to everyone instead of choosing to single out one person or few.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Using a quote block was the most convenient method. I did explicitly say that it was edited and not your original words, though it was your original thought (as best as I was able to decipher it).

It's a quirk of language. In cases where the gender of the subject is unknown, pronouns default to the masculine form. Nothing to do with sexism. How are we supposed to know you are female?

I bolded the part that was relevant. You make the point quite well: Nobody is talking about what you said because how you said it got in the way. This isn't English class, and you aren't being paid for what you write here, but the rules of language don't change based on the venue or the medium. In order to be understood, you have to be as clear as possible, especially on the internet.

This is something I see a lot, and the problem is almost always either that what the original poster wrote was unclear and led to a spurious discussion on a tangentially related point, or that what the original poster wrote was just fine, but the readers each added their own mental tone of voice to the words. As I'm sure you know, saying the same words in different ways (varying emphasis, inflection, etc.) can carry completely different meanings. Since written text lacks that non-verbal element, we have to rely on the clarity of our words to get our meaning across.

Then you must have me on ignore because my first post in this thread was a direct question regarding the parameters of your experience in your comparison. The question you responded to with a kick rocks. I didn't mention your grammar at all. Actually, I believe I have stayed on topic more than you have in this thread.

Yea sorry about that part. you did say so.


A simple question instead of assuming would have sufficed. Or gender neutral term. Why cant they assume I'm female if anything?

True. If something wasnt understood a simple question would have sufficed too. Instead of coming guns blazing and straight to the critizing and nit picking part as if this was some official document that have legal bearings. At work, has to nit pick as a mispelling or a mistake can complicate and or wore, throw the whole case out if one was to dispute a report. Here, if the point is gotten across then the point has been made. If not, then either ask. And also due so on other's posts and not just a select few. I've seen many mistakes in other people's post, of course at work, it's part of work. But like at work, I'm not overlooking one person mistakes then get on the case of another. It's either equal or not at all. If they was to do that, they would rightfully so feel singled out, like I am here. If there was a person pointing out a mistake on every other post or even one third of the posts, then it would be no issue. But seeing lack of that and then I barely can make a post without someone playing the spelling/grammar nazi off the bat, of course I'ma go defensive and tell them to bugger off. Just as many people would do. And it's both ways. How they say it or how they try to "help" will get appropriate response. If they come off as a high and mighty I'm better than you grammar nazi, I will respond properly. If they came off in a better way, then I will also respond properly. That goes for anything. Even if it was somethign as simple as saying "hey nice post but didnt undertand all of it because "this or that". Then I would happy to clarify but coming in first thing out of mouth is basically (for example) "you need to fix this and that. And you need to do that." I'm thinking "Need to? Need to! Who the "flip" this person think they are telling me what I need to do with no authority over me.?"(for example) and the response will reflect that.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

nope I seen similar question for you and I aint falling into that trap again. That has nothing to do with my experience. And then when I didnt answer you just made up a level. You aint stayed on topic. I dont think level was even mentioned in the post. I dont need anymore "oh that's impossible" "can you post proof" from you. I know how this goes. I'ma say a level that I am actually fighting at and you going to poke fun at it and say it's impossible. If someone else would of asked I would of just said I'll PM them. But you hell naw. You aint getting me with the same trap. change tactics and maybe it will work then.

And you aint still kick rocks. Well, I wouldnt advise you to keep following me from post to post just to harass or then I think that would be considered stalker like behavior.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

English doesn't have a good gender-neutral term ("they" tends to create awkward-sounding sentences, and can be ambiguous since it sounds plural; constructs like "zir" are not widespread in general use and tend to just cause confusion). A majority, IMX, of MMO players are male, or at least do not wish to be recognized as female since it completely doesn't matter and tends to attract unwanted attention, so assuming that any given player is male unless they say otherwise is usually a pretty good assumption.

Male privilege and etc surely plays a part too, but that's even further from the topic than the formatting thing

Good thing I am not here just to harass you then.

you are harassing me. and been so for the past week at least. Quit it.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

As I said, it's a quirk of language. We don't talk about other people with genderless terms so it doesn't come naturally when we don't know. Looking at your publicly viewable account information (forum name, signature, etc.) I originally assumed you were male. "Evil Legacy" doesn't exactly scream femininity, and listing your high level characters is generally an achievement related thing common among males. Your online persona suggests that you're male.

I'm afraid the burden of understandability lies with the speaker, or in this case author, of the ideas being verbalized. You can't expect someone to take the time to read your writings if you won't take the time to make them easily readable. "Then that post wasn't meant for them" is a cheap cop-out and an excuse. Surely, you're capable of better than that.


I have been frequenting these boards for a long time, though I seldom post, and I have seen lots of posts like yours that get criticized just like yours was. You aren't being singled out, trust me. Most of those other people have learned to post better, or have been ignored by pretty much everyone.

s/he. While not used in a actual speaking sense it is generally accepted neutral term in writing.

Well I'm not the type to hide my gender based off some other people's actions. Harassment is harassment whether it's male to female, male to male, female to male, or female to female. It's still harassment like this one poster is going a little bit beyond harassment and into stalkerish. One of those people that follow me from post to post with no helpful information to share just to cause and or add to the trouble. If want to look for yourself. Look at my past posts with replies you will see the most common person on there is that one person basically saying the same stuff in every post.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

That was a sig from way back in 2006. Havent updated and was y first time learnign about sigs. And manay female players that actually identified thems as such on this forum also list their in game toons in their sig. But as far persona goes. Not sure what most females do. Submit to any disrespect, abuse, etc that come their way? Nope. Wouldnt put up with from my husband and sure as hell aint going to put up with it on here. The name from the first VG I made, around the time of this forum account creation.

Maybe so. Yet, if they feel the need to come at me like that, and expect me to be gracious, they are mistaken. And if they dont know how, dont want to, or cant put it in a respectful manner, then they are better not commenting at all. If they comment anyways, they will be replied to accordingly. It's a simple come at me some semblence sliver of respect and I will reply in turn. Come at me with disrespect I will reply in turn.

Yea? I havent seen anyone especially the person of the first post in this thread post anythign about the spelling and grammar in the post of "Why Do People Spam Incandescence?" or "Kings Row is level 10+, where do I street sweep from level 5?" or even the grammar and spelling mistakes in "Cannot purge Enhancement Boosters" and that just naming a few from today. So yea I do feel singled out as I havent seen any recently talking about grammar or errors and these three for example was posted not too far from this post especially the most recent posts, yet no mention of their spelling mistakes. But first reply on mine, spelling/grammar. If people are going to correct someone do it evenly. If not and they just single out a selct few people then yea I feel singled out seeing the lack of spelling point outs there. I've been here for a while too and I only maybe seen one other post get critized and maybe a one other last month get it but cant even remember the topic, and that's it. Aint seen a post like that this month that I came across and there are even more posts where there isnt a single mention of the spelling/grammar mistakes especially today and yesterdays post. They dont have those type of crititiques. And the few that I have seen a while ago, it was waaaay more polite and respectful than the nonsense I've been handed. All I'm saying is be fair about it dont do it for one and ignore everyone else.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

I met plenty. When you make an opening statement like that, that is being grammar nazi or grammar nazi like behavior. And when you single me out like that, that is being a grammar nazi. Have you corrected anyone elses posts today? Or any of three I mentioned? I dont see your name there with the comment you gave me. Either be fair to everyone or dont do it at all I prefer or else I'm not just go "Oh thanks for going out your way to be nit picky and point out my mistakes while ignoring everyone else's. Thank u thank u thank u." No I'm not that one. I'm call it like I see it. You picking me out, being slightly rude grammazr nazi and I will respond accordingly. If that wasnt your intentions, then try to put it in a better way next time. And sorry for jumping down ya throat if that was not your true intentions. But online intentions are hard to read sometimes so I see lettering and what I get from those arrangement of letters.

for example in "Re: Please change Penny Yin's costume." there are mispellings and that person posted right above you yet, you made no mention of their mistakes. Or the person below you, they have grammar mistake, and yet again you are silent about it.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

I know, but that doesn't mean that s/he or other gender-neutral terms are suddenly widespread, nor that somebody who doesn't know your gender will magically somehow know your personal preferences.

s/he been around since the 70s. But I guess some people aint get it. Well at least I know the reason for the assumption there. Wish someone would assume I'm a female for once instead of it's always he he he he he he he he he. I mean it wouldnt hurt to throw in a she everynow and then. but it's no big deal. I guess assumptions are made to be wrong anyways.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Chuckle.

Obviously you know everything.

You've taken a mild comment and run with it like a petulant preteen child. My comment was the equivalent of "watch your step, there's traffic coming", Your response was "I'm calling the cops because you're harassing me!"

Have fun in your world.

Ciao.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

see ya. now you want to shift subjects when I point out you are singling me out and was being rude. Well dont worry, I wont cross ya path again as long as you stay out of my path. Dont go around nit picking my posts and leave everyone else's alone and not expect me to call you out on it.


I knew he was going to do that. Like I aint going to notice he never corrected many people but me. "Help" like that is not help I want or need.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

probably will do that.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!