Who is the most evil villain in CoX?


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On that note, what about Reichsman? I don't see that he's been mentioned yet, but surely he gets major evil points just for being a Nazi.

Of the villains mentioned by the OP, I would have to pick Protean. In the Freedom Phalanx novel, he gloats over having once killed a child he was holding as a hostage in a stand-off against Manticore.
You don't have to pick one of the villains I mentioned. ANY villain from the lore is fair game.


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*shakes tiny fist at Z*

It's only because you're using that twice-cursed Twitter-thing. >_<
Geez - it's getting kinda ridiculous in that thread.

Your ability to keep privacy using Twitter is monumentally higher than Facebook/Myspace/Tagged/etc. It's user-friendly, and you can make accounts with nearly no information in comparison. I have never gotten spammed and I've had my account for years.

Regarding all social media sites, hate for Twitter makes the least sense to me.


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Geez - it's getting kinda ridiculous in that thread.

Your ability to keep privacy using Twitter is monumentally higher than Facebook/Myspace/Tagged/etc. It's user-friendly, and you can make accounts with nearly no information in comparison. I have never gotten spammed and I've had my account for years.

Regarding all social media sites, hate for Twitter makes the least sense to me.
I don't use the thing myself... Honestly it just seems like a big waste of time, and I do get the privacy concerns people have with any social media site... But yeah. That thread's gotten silly.


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Yeah I don't tweet on my own life - I use it to speak to developers/celebrities/friends.


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<<< This guy right here (going off of the comments in another thread)

If you can't laugh at yourself, you're doing it wrong.
Actually, you're a dev, not a character in-game so you're exempt and as far as I know, nobody has DIED because of your Twitter use.


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I'm pretty sure that Westin Phipps is actually a real person and HE came up with the whole limited/exclusive Twitter code thing so that he could crush our spirits and leave us downtrodden due to our lack of Kirby spots.

Call me unoriginal, but I also have to vote for Phipps. Although he doesn't actually run around kicking puppies, he sees that it gets done, and he takes such obvious joy in it.
Do entities like Mot or Rularuu even have a conscience or the ability to tell good from evil? Phipps does, which makes him all the worse.
I also agree that many of the Vigilante-to-Villain missions are seriously evil.


 

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Actually, the most evil is ... ME!

When I ran the Villain Morality Mission, I destroyed the *entire* universe.
Universes end. It's in their nature. If it isn't you, it's the cold death, or the big crunch. What matters is how miserable you make everybody's life until then.


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I'd say Mother Mayhem. That mission where you experience the memories of that one Seer in First Ward was hard to take. She's totally insane.


 

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I've always thought it was some MA Scrapper.











Oh wait, you said Villain.









Nevermind.


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Ms. Liberty. Managing to get a paramilitary force OK'd, deploying it to attack not only the citizens of a foreign country (where she has no authority) but people in her own city (since when is the appropriate response to a baseball bat or dagger a minigun or flamethrower?) and not have anyone bat an eye.


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*tucks his picture from Haven House in his wallet*

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Meh, evil is all about perspective. The truly evil ones are the ones that think they're doing good while they enact genocide and other atrocities upon the globe.


 

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<<< This guy right here (going off of the comments in another thread)

If you can't laugh at yourself, you're doing it wrong.
I don't think anyone logical thinks you are evil... they just wish that you (or whoever) had different methods at your disposal... and really, since you communicated admirably in that thread, I wouldn't worry about it too much, were I you.



 

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*tucks his picture from Haven House in his wallet*

*pulls feathered mantle closed to hide his Director of Haven House affairs badge*

Meh, evil is all about perspective. The truly evil ones are the ones that think they're doing good while they enact genocide and other atrocities upon the globe.
Not Phipps. He just likes causing people pain and suffering. He even admits to it.


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I'd say Mother Mayhem. That mission where you experience the memories of that one Seer in First Ward was hard to take. She's totally insane.
Absolutely correct.

I'm pretty sure that the dark things that Emperor Cole has done originated with her behind-the-scenes influence.


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I don't think anyone logical thinks you are evil... they just wish that you (or whoever) had different methods at your disposal... and really, since you communicated admirably in that thread, I wouldn't worry about it too much, were I you.
But...but...

What if I want to be evil...


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But...but...

What if I want to be evil...
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But...but...

What if I want to be evil...
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To answer that, you need to say, what is evil.

For example, Tyrant took control after striking a secret deal to save humanity from Hamidon. He has done terrible things (and worse things have been done in his name that he could and should have known about), but if it was the alternative to seeing humanity on his world wiped out, is that evil?

Mother Mayhem has done horrible soul-destroying things - and she's absolutely crazy. Does evil require the ability to tell the difference between good and evil, or by their acts do you know them?

All that said, here's my list of true evil.

Mother Mayhem - perhaps she could be found innocent by reason of insanity, but the evil she has done destroys people at a level that death would indeed be better.

Nemesis - turning a dimension of peaceful beings into rampaging warriors and then trying to completely overwrite their minds has to be an 11 out of 10 on the evil meter.

Malta - There may not be an individual evil Supervillain leader, but in terms of riding roughshod over the rights of others, hard to top Malta. Not even Nemesis has tried to install a kill switch in every sentient being on the planet.


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Then again, those things that Westin Phipps does are ACTUALLY done by player villains, not Phipps himself.
But that excuse can also be used about almost all the major villains in the game - like Tyrant doesn't personally do a single thing in the whole Praetorian storyline until the Magisterium Trial, but the storyline is full of, and driven by, the stuff that he's ordered other people to do.


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Of the villains mentioned by the OP, I would have to pick Protean. In the Freedom Phalanx novel, he gloats over having once killed a child he was holding as a hostage in a stand-off against Manticore.
"Have you ever watched the life leave someone's eyes as they believe they are being strangled by a loved one?"

A true villain wants to be evil, a redeemable one needs to be.


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"Have you ever watched the life leave someone's eyes as they believe they are being strangled by a loved one?"

A true villain wants to be evil, a redeemable one needs to be.
OOooh.



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But...but...

What if I want to be evil...
You're too silly to be evil!

Besides, all of these replies and not one vote for Black Pebble???



(he's so evil he doesn't need to have a character in-game... his evil forces permeate the game from the beyond!)


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I think we need to look at intent more than measure of success. After all, an individual who wants to kill children by telepathically making their heads explode - but fails, is more evil than the guy who succeeded at robbing a bank.

The various villains have all had their successes and failures... the fact that Nemesis took over America doesn't make him any more or less evil than Darin Wade, who orchestrated the deaths of 3 heroes. It's intent: One wants to rule the world, one wanted to be a god... both want the things they want to make up for their massive inferiority complexes.

In the spirit of the recent announcement, I want to toss my hat in for Captain Mako. He doesn't want to rule, he simply wants to KILL. He wants to FEEL a person struggle while his jaws are locked across their arm. He wants to HEAR them scream. He doesn't care if you're an invincible super hero, man, woman, or child... He's a straight up monster with no morals; the only thing keeping him in check is the knowledge that stepping too far out of line would cost him his own life. He hasn't had any big success... nothing big on his resume. But any other villain can -possibly- be reasoned with to some degree. You can appease to their complexes. Recluse? Nemesis? Tyrant? Bow to them, and they'll let you live. Mako? Bow to him, and all that means is you won't have to see his jaws locking around your throat.


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In the spirit of the recent announcement, I want to toss my hat in for Captain Mako. He doesn't want to rule, he simply wants to KILL. He wants to FEEL a person struggle while his jaws are locked across their arm. He wants to HEAR them scream. He doesn't care if you're an invincible super hero, man, woman, or child... He's a straight up monster with no morals
Is fire evil because it burns? Is the wolf evil because it preys on the lamb? Mako is a shark. Sharks kill. It's his nature.


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You can appease to their complexes. Recluse? Nemesis? Tyrant? Bow to them, and they'll let you live.
Recluse is a social Darwinist. Bowing to appease him is basically admitting you forfeit your life. He respects ambition and ability, but don't you dare let one outdistance the other. If you demonstrate neither, he will view you even less favorably.

Nemesis, perhaps.

Tyrant wouldn't care. If you've wronged Praetoria in his eyes, he'll twist your head off. Tyrant's most established character trait is that he's rigid and uncompromising. Bowing to him wouldn't change his course of action.



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