Who is the most evil villain in CoX?
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Posted on: 2012-07-12 11:38 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
But...but...
What if I want to be evil...  |
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Catgirls are the most evil villain in CoX?
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Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
That's scary, but not especially evil. I'd say evil is more like virtue perverted.
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Futa catgirls are the most evil villain in CoX?
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Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
With a set-up like that, you can do better.
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Does this count?
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Besides, all of these replies and not one vote for Black Pebble???
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I am tossed up between Westin and Vernon Von Grun. Westin for obvious reasons. As for Vernon Von Grun... The whole Pyriss story was a tragedy which he provides a tragic ending for.
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Wow, all these posts and no one has said
"The Great Face"
yet?
Bwahahaha!!!!
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Hamidon Pasalima also deserves a mention, especially the Praetorian one.
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NO! He was lame and I'm not 100% sure he's canon.
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Originally Posted by b0bcatmc
Wow, all these posts and no one has said
"The Great Face" yet? Bwahahaha!!!! |
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TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Does this count?
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Also... I never knew about this feature on starwars.com, lol... I am preparing to bombard my friends and family with these...
And, no... It doesn't count!!
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Inspiring/corrupting others to evil deeds, whilst keeping his own hands clean, makes him even more evil.|
Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Then again, those things that Westin Phipps does are ACTUALLY done by player villains, not Phipps himself.
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Westin Phipps is undoubtedly the most evil character in the game.
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well, this is based on incomplete information, since i havent finished first ward(yea, i take my time) but the midnight master.lets ignore his smarmy personality, he betrayed everyone that trusted him and not only murdered them but then enslaved their souls for as long as he enjoys using them as playthings. im with cerulean on him. at the stage of the story that i'm at i'd use the spork of jocas on him.
phipps is a good vote too, his propensity to harm the helpless is a factor. recluse is bad, but he generally seems to have his sights set on people who can give him a fight. I'm betting Phipps' childhood involved a lot of cruelty to small animals.
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As I said in the first reply to this thread....Westin Phipps.|
Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
But what about doing what you're told and ENJOYING it (Assuming what you're told to do is evil?)
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He's told to do something, and instead of just carrying it out (or directing someone else to carry it out), he creates grand schemes, over-the-top atrocities simply for his ENJOYMENT of the cruelty he's committing.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Hahaha... You're pushing it, but it's still not catching on!?!
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And I put actual effort into that: I didn't just add two words to the alien guy's face or google a picture of a cat. I have to get some sort of return on investment there or I won't be able to write off the time.
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This is always a good question, but not for the naming of a badguy/gal/AI/thingy, but for how it exposed what folk think of as evil..
who is most evil....
the ruler who orders the persons death ?
the administrator who enables the process ?
the hangman who pulls the lever ?
or ...
the person who blows up a building killing 200 people ?
the person who spends three days slowly killing one person ?
given that the CoT work with demons they must be up in the top five,
any Nictus based vill also, they eat people !
The Family, they sell drugs, kill people, corrupt others, and exploit the rest.
The Carnival of Souls, again eating people.
Also Hami ..wants to turn people into his idea of a good thing.
Nemesis. No one else is even close. The guy literally committed genocide. He killed billions of people for the crime of not being white. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up more often in the lore, because it is easily the worst thing he's done.
I honestly don't think Westin deserves a mention at all. Yes, he's slimy and disgusting, but then so's the dog landmine I stepped in on my way home from work the other day, but you don't see me raising a fist in the air yelling "Damn you, irresponsible dog owners! Damn you all to hell!!!" No, I basically wipe my feet on the grass on then wash my shoes after the fact.
That's about the dignity Westin deserves to be regarded with. He's slimy and disgusting and makes us feel dirty afterwards, so take a shower and forget about him. The man is a toad with no ambition, no real power and no real lasting influence. He's the Sleez of City of Heroes. He's a small fish in an ocean of big fish, and he just happens to stink. That's about it.
To me, this is kind of asking what the scariest horror movie is and having someone quote the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remakes because they have lots of gore in them.
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^^^^This, he is really the only contact I consider evil. All the others are just kind of meh. I know the OP listed quite a few but for the most part those people were not what I called evil.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Westin Phipps. I can't even do his arcs after that first time because I got the crawlies.
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Definitely Lady Jane for sure. I actually demorecorded her trying to suicide the team into a group in hopes that the devs would see it and change her AI. Never have I seen an npc have such horrible effect on the team. I bet if they pulled the stats from her mission I bet like the success rate on an 8 man team is something like 10% on keeping her alive. Now I dont even bother with it. I just let her aggro and kill herself. I will not be getting debt for her even if debt goes away quick.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Tie for first place = Fusionette, Doc Delilah, and Lady Jane.
Any NPC whose sole goal is to get you killed while you are TRYING TO HELP HER is just beyond the pale.  Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
But...but...
What if I want to be evil... |
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That is one way of looking at it, but like i said upthread, part of why phipps is so hated is that he delights in hurting the helpless. One reason a lot of evil generals can to a flip to at least being respected even after killing lots of heroic characters is that they at least showed some class, they fought near equals and did so in open combat. phips orchestrates the poisoning of small kids he is a different, abominable kind of evil. its the same visceral reaction many have have to seeing some hurt a small dog or child, full on moral repulsion. I can sort of respect recluse, even if he does do the idiotic evil darwinist thing, he "picks on people his own size" but Phipps is a stain of humanity (as is midnight master). In fact, id go so far as to say that like agg said, phipps wants to be a monster. recluse has a goal, being the strongest and surrounding himself with the strongest, he does evil in persuit of a goal, but evil is not his goal, if he thought about things differently, he probably could do good as well, phipps is cruel to the core, it is his goal.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I honestly don't think Westin deserves a mention at all. Yes, he's slimy and disgusting, but then so's the dog landmine I stepped in on my way home from work the other day, but you don't see me raising a fist in the air yelling "Damn you, irresponsible dog owners! Damn you all to hell!!!" No, I basically wipe my feet on the grass on then wash my shoes after the fact.
That's about the dignity Westin deserves to be regarded with. He's slimy and disgusting and makes us feel dirty afterwards, so take a shower and forget about him. The man is a toad with no ambition, no real power and no real lasting influence. He's the Sleez of City of Heroes. He's a small fish in an ocean of big fish, and he just happens to stink. That's about it. To me, this is kind of asking what the scariest horror movie is and having someone quote the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remakes because they have lots of gore in them. |
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Me too, and this is what I was going to post. It's just skipped right over, somehow. And that's on top of all the other things that he's done that people do talk about.
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Originally Posted by Green Bean
Nemesis. No one else is even close. The guy literally committed genocide. He killed billions of people for the crime of not being white. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up more often in the lore, because it is easily the worst thing he's done.
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Bravo for a near perfect quote of a 1970's era Justice League villain! "The Shark's Dark Demands", Wonder Woman, someplace in the 1975-1979 stretch (hey, parents threw those old comics out long ago, accuracy isn't going to happen)
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Is fire evil because it burns? Is the wolf evil because it preys on the lamb? Mako is a shark. Sharks kill. It's his nature.
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Such as nearly getting away with erasing the minds of a planetary population and overwriting them telepathically using their own abilities with his own consciousness? |
Originally Posted by Megajoule
Me too, and this is what I was going to post. It's just skipped right over, somehow. And that's on top of all the other things that he's done that people do talk about.
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A memorably evil villain has a morality. But it's one in which their goal is the highest possible good -- whether it's their own power, the acquisition of knowledge, the destruction of the world, or even something like protecting their family. In the pursuit of this goal they are more than prepared to sacrifice anything else.
And for the worst of them, that goal is coupled with another -- the misery of everyone who doesn't share it. Not just death, although they may inflict this on a large scale, but the awe and terror of the petty sheep who would have stopped them. They want not just to defeat their enemies, but to break them and force them into compliance with their own ethos.
The truly terrifying thing is that that's not so far from what a hero wants.